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Mark iT
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Posted - 2010.03.08 02:32:00 -
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-- The GalNet monitor crackles to life with a new broadcast --
A blunt faced man sits behind a desk at the Jita 4-4 station, nervously holding note cards for his impending speach. He begins:
öI am Mark, the leader of a small alliance dedicated to industrial processes and providing the Republic with pilots who excel in combat situations to help cleanse Republic sovereign space of pirate activity. We strive to serve the low security star systems in Metropolis with quality products in a safe environment. As of late these thugs from Electus Matari have been pushing us around. The latest ploy is ransoming our establishment for prices we could never afford. [Mark displays proof of ransom letter] Today a war declaration has been made delivered with an official ransom from a diplomat. They will be pushing us out of our home system of Hadozeko, as well as disturbing the shipping lanes our freighters use between Metropolis and Jita.
Please fellow pilots, we need any financial help we can get to defend ourselves against these thugs who have no respect for life or beauty.
I leave you with this.ö
[The image on display changes]
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.08 03:06:00 -
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From the Letter:
Originally by: Arthur Black/Electus Matari
The -5 standing means that we will be declaring war on your alliance until such a time as you pay a 2 billion ISK ransom. Our combat pilots are authorized to fire on ships of Your organization without warning. and they will hunt You down, **** Your corpses, and wear your skins as suits.
LOL? What happened to Electus Matari? I guess that's just more proof that "anti-pirates" are just pirates of a different sort.... even I didn't expect Electus Matari to fall so low so quickly though.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.08 03:17:00 -
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that mail image looks altered.
also Arthur doesn't talk like that.
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Jane Starr
The EVE Observer
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Posted - 2010.03.08 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Starr on 08/03/2010 03:42:01 The EVE Observer requests the image data for layer verification. |
Mark iT
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Posted - 2010.03.08 04:10:00 -
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Secondary Image Verification
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.08 05:54:00 -
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Electus Matari reset us just for spending a week in PRVTR to take advantage of a specific wardec... if they've really got the salt to do something like this I'll be immensely surprised. And pleasantly surprised, at that.
It's always gratifying to see one of the good guys cast off the 'moral' shackles of NRDS and start fighting dirty. Our peoples' enemies gave us no quarter, they deserve none from us. Unfortunately, though, I was heavily disappointed to have it demonstrated that the Star Fraction had not turned to NBSI and I expect a similar disappointment here.
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Kozmo Nott
Caldari Two Smoking Barrels
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Posted - 2010.03.08 07:29:00 -
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Is is customary for Minmatar to refer to you as "Mr." before they threaten to **** your corps?
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.03.08 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kozmo Nott Is is customary for Minmatar to refer to you as "Mr." before they threaten to **** your corps?
We're all gentlemen here.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.08 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Stratio on 08/03/2010 11:02:54
If this is real then EM will surely be along shortly to confirm their new mode of operations.
Otherwise no amount of photos will prove anything.
Waits patiently for EM response
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.08 11:04:00 -
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a) last i checked, it was other people "representing" EM
b) this guy is not even flying under EM banner as of now, and after this mail
c) take it to the leaders of EM , and only if they refuse to deal with it start spamming public frequencies
recruiting -forum
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Tizian Enel
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.08 12:09:00 -
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"We will be back under the EM banner shortly (in a few weeks)" Mail is dated 2010.03.08 Arthur Blacks corporation has been under EM banner since 2010.01.10.
Quite a bad forgery here.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.08 13:17:00 -
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Electus Matari may be thieves, saboteurs and terrorist sympathizers but they are not pirates.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 13:29:00 -
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Very creative, Mark IT. I especially like the cute little beastie at the end.
But yes, for the record, this mail is a forgery. We have declared war on War.Pigs for piracy in Molden Heath and Metropolis, which can be verified by any interested party either through Battleclinic or by wandering around in Molden Heath lowsec for a while and getting attacked.
We have not yet contacted War.Pigs with any set of terms and when we do, it won't be with a lot of pseudo-evil posturing or a demand for 2 billion isk. Our standard terms of surrender are for either a cessation of criminal activity (you can see what we define as criminal activity on our public standings page, if interested) or complete departure from Minmatar Republic space. But we don't even know how the war is going to go, yet.
I really do like the piglet, though.
-Eva-
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.08 13:44:00 -
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It really is a shame that the Galnet Moderators have decided that we're unable to post killmails on the Summit, otherwise EM would be able to prove War.Pigs' guilt However as the images provided have been made suspect (My mobile unit seems to show them in considerable sub-par quality) and EM has no history of out-and-out piracy, I'm willing to believe EM without.
At the very least, until I can get a proper look at those images.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.08 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char Very creative, Mark IT. I especially like the cute little beastie at the end.
But yes, for the record, this mail is a forgery.
*Havohej sighs quietly, shaking his head just a little. When he speaks, his voice is only slightly weary but the disappointment is evident.
Ah, well. Exactly what I expected to hear from Electus Matari on this topic, but still... I'm an eternal optimist. We wish you well on your war with War.Pigs, even if you all don't love us anymore.
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Mark iT
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mark iT on 08/03/2010 16:41:43 I assure you that message is genuine. If you do not stand behind it, then perhaps you have some people to deal with in your organization.
You say you have declared war on us for acts of piracy. This is a bit of a conundrum. Concord does not interfere with people who seek to destroy pirates. As the planets turn, no less than 12 hours ago, you bribed Concord to turn a blind eye so that your gank squad of 10 pilots could disturb one of my pilots who was conducting business with Republic Security Services.
Dig through the records all you want, combat records do not show motive. EM seems to be so self righteous that they believe my pilots coming out victorious in a battle against EM pilots to be an act of piracy. EM is willing to go as far to BRIBE Concord so that the very organization they claim to be defending can not take appropriate action, the actions they wish to take against EM, when their business is being interfered with.
The action of declaring war is not one which needs to be done against pirates. Pirates are the ones who need Concord to look away. By these actions Electus Matari belongs on Electus Matari's negative standing list.
Reflect upon yourself, seek the truth.
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Mark iT
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:53:00 -
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Also, do not misinterpret the message. We are in no way requesting a cease fire.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr The Confederate Navy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mark iT Edited by: Mark iT on 08/03/2010 16:41:43 I assure you that message is genuine. If you do not stand behind it, then perhaps you have some people to deal with in your organization.
You say you have declared war on us for acts of piracy. This is a bit of a conundrum. Concord does not interfere with people who seek to destroy pirates. As the planets turn, no less than 12 hours ago, you bribed Concord to turn a blind eye so that your gank squad of 10 pilots could disturb one of my pilots who was conducting business with Republic Security Services.
Dig through the records all you want, combat records do not show motive. EM seems to be so self righteous that they believe my pilots coming out victorious in a battle against EM pilots to be an act of piracy. EM is willing to go as far to BRIBE Concord so that the very organization they claim to be defending can not take appropriate action, the actions they wish to take against EM, when their business is being interfered with.
The action of declaring war is not one which needs to be done against pirates. Pirates are the ones who need Concord to look away. By these actions Electus Matari belongs on Electus Matari's negative standing list.
Reflect upon yourself, seek the truth.
I've been under both Electus Matari's and Curatores Veritatis Alliance's NRDS policy. (In neut corps I might add) and we were left the hell alone. Oh sure, we got attacked by pirates, but that's about it. I've learned that the only reason corps are killed by EM/CVA is due to them being one of the follow:
1: An idiot corp 2: Very loudmouth/smacktalk 3: Being pirates.
Otherwise, your never worth their time.
--Isaac
AMAAR VICTOR!
"You just can't fix stupid"
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:00:00 -
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* Kismo steps forward and clears his throat. I resent the implication that War.Pigs is a pirate alliance, or has ever participated in the evil act of piracy! We are nothing but simple Freedom Fighters doing business with the Republic, and our alliance name is just one more reminder that we shall never give up the fight! We even have spent some time in the not so recent past helping to bring an end to piracy in the Empire - fighting alongside Tribal Liberation Force as part of the Minmatar Militia! Why, the most that we could possibly be accused of is aggressing parties that were enemies of the Republic or those that would first have aggressed us given half the opportunity! Even your own rules of engagement state that this is allowed. Let me quote: "No piracy (defined as shooting random neutrals who would not hurt you if you did not fire first)".
You say that you have not yet contacted us, yet we have unquestionable visual and textual proof that your "pseudo-evil posturing and demand for 2 billion ISK" is real. We have delivered proof for all who care to look it's way, and I say that until such a time as you publicly change your ways and vow to defend the Republic anew that your pilots can be nothing more than piratical Evil Thugs attempting to push us from our Hadozeko home! Hadozeko - one of the headquarters of Tribal Liberation Force and the entire Minmatar militia!
No, the evidence is overwhelming and damning. Electus Matari has turned to outright piracy against the Republic's Freedom Fighters, and is attempting to cover it up with lies.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Anabella Rella on 08/03/2010 18:43:10 I hate to resort to GalNet memes, but:
Obvious forgery is obvious.
The pilot community knows how EM operates; we fight criminal organizations and those who threaten the Republic. We don't run cheap extortion rackets. We don't condone or practice piracy. We have strict conduct guidelines for pilots and clearly defined ROE. Oh, and we don't hide behind unknown capsuleer mouthpieces.
So we war decced your pirate pals? U mad? What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand. |
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:52:00 -
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That's a hilariously poor forgery. MXD has known EM for a long time and even were they actually to go so far as to make such a brazen announcement as this, they would not do it in such a grammatically-lacking, poorly-worded way. The thing is, with this forgery, you've made the picture look very convincing but the content is utterly laughable.
Try harder next time, you clueless, worthless berks. -----
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kismo on 08/03/2010 19:01:31 Ms Rella, as I'm sure you noted, I am fully conversant with your own Rules Of Engagement, and I even went so far as to quote it for you. I went on to expound upon how we were not in fact engaged in acts of piracy, but rather that we were striking first and furiously in defense of the Republic. Our targets were either suspected of helping the Empire, or would have attacked us given half the opportunity. It is a shame that no simple combat log can show context.
We have undeniable proof that Electus Matari or its leaders have turned to outright piracy. Undeniable proof - except perhaps for those who willfully delude themselves and blindly follow their leaders and false friends. However, what most distresses me about what you say is that this is a "cheap" extortion! Am I then to assume that your usual price is so much higher, and that the rank and file Electus Matari pilots know this? How dare you call yourselves defenders of the Republic, while you yet attempt to bleed lawful citizens of the Republic dry! We are just a simple industrial alliance attempting to bring safety and profit to Metropolis!
As to your besmirching of us as using "unknown alt mouthpieces". Well, I admit that I may not be so vocal, but I would gladly be willing to compare the amount of skillbooks and the thoroughness with which I have read them to your own.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 08/03/2010 19:07:45
Originally by: Kismo except perhaps for those who willfully delude themselves and blindly follow their leaders and false friends.
You are a funny little man. Pathetic, but funny. -----
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:23:00 -
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* Kismo looks slightly pained, and turns to address Andreus LeHane.
Mr. LeHane. Attacking me is not going to bring anything constructive to this conversation. Can we please keep the topic on the question at hand? Namely, that Electus Matari has finally showed their true piratical colors in this attempted extortion of a small industrial alliance? The proof that we have delivered is undeniable and unquestionable. No one can possibly deliver better proof - both visually and textually.
Many people have commented that the textual and visual evidence is impeccable and undeniable, but the content itself is preposterous. Truly, if this behavior seems out of character for Electus Matari then perhaps it is because you have not often enough been on the front lines. I have personally seen large -EM- fleets flying the front lines and in the Great Wildlands at best attempting to privateer innocent shipping and at worst outright pirating. To be sure, they have also occasionally brought the fight to the Empire, but looking back it seems less in earnest than perhaps more dedicated Freedom Fighters might have brought it. Really, I have no choice but to call their normal behavior piracy of the basest sort
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo We have undeniable proof that Electus Matari or its leaders have turned to outright piracy.
Originally by: Tizian Enel "We will be back under the EM banner shortly (in a few weeks)" Mail is dated 2010.03.08 Arthur Blacks corporation has been under EM banner since 2010.01.10.
Quite a bad forgery here.
Thanks for playing, no prize for you today though.
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Arthur Black
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:43:00 -
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The observant reader will notice the date on the forgery, the 8th. of March this year. The forgery reads, in part: "Some EM corporations, including mine, is currently in the militia, but we will be back under the EM banner shortly (in a few weeks)." That was actually part of the original mail as well. Some EM corporations were in the militia late last year and very early this year. The beginning and end of that operation was publicly announced:
I've been back in EM since the end of that campaign. This can be verified by a quick check of my employment history and my corporation's alliance membership record.
Since Mr. iT has seen fit to forge parts of the mail I sent him and make it public, here is the original mail:
Subject: Notification of standing change From: Arthur Black Sent: 2009.12.26 21:40 To: Mark iT
Mr. iT,
My name is Arthur Black, I represent Electus Matari.
Electus Matari is a pro-Republic, anti-slavery, anti-pirate alliance. We strive to aid the Republic and its citizens as best we can. We are NRDS.
Some EM corporations, including mine, is currently in the militia, but we will be back under the EM banner shortly (in a few weeks).
We have No Salvation on our -5 list for piracy in Republic space. This is to inform You that we will be moving that -5 standing over to TOWM (please see http://www.electusmatari.com/standings for the full list).
The -5 standing means that our combat pilots are authorized to fire on ships of Your organization without warning. It does not usually mean they will hunt You down.
If You feel there has been a mistake, please feel free to contact me at any time. Especially if No Salvation now has reformed or TOWM doesn't have any operations in Republic space (Heimatar, Metropolis, Molden Heath and Great Wildlands).
Sincerely, Arthur Black Alliance Diplomat Electus Matari
It's a slight variation on my standard notification of standing change warning.
In the future, please do as the mail asks and feel free to contact me directly at any time.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo * Kismo looks slightly pained, and turns to address Andreus LeHane.
Wipe that ridiculous look off your face.
Originally by: Kismo Mr. LeHane. Attacking me is not going to bring anything constructive to this conversation.
NO-ONE IS GOING TO BRING ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO THIS CONVERSATION! THIS CONVERSATION IS VALUELESS! IT IS BASED UPON AN ENTIRELY FLAWED PREMISE!
Originally by: Kismo Can we please keep the topic on the question at hand? Namely, that Electus Matari has finally showed their true piratical colors
No! They haven't! This mail is an obvious forgery! No-one who is officially permitted to speak for Electus Matari writes that badly! Anyone who's actually had any proper interaction with them will know that they choose their diplomats very carefully and all official statements to an external entity (and no few internal statements) are specifically made under the direct assumption that someone will publicise them eventually. If Electus Matari were actually ransoming you they would most certainly cook up a reason for doing so which would be far easier to defend were it made public. They have been playing the grand game of inter-alliance politicking for years. They know all the tricks in the book because, in fact, they helped write parts of it.
The people to whom you are presumably attempting to appeal - that is, Electus Matari's old friends - all know what they're like. All MXD's interactions up to the present with Electus Matari have given us the impression of an alliance that is cordial but reserved in its interactions with allies, measured and conservative in its interactions with neutrals and decisive and straightforward in its interactions with hostiles. They know, and you know, and we know that you know that a course of action such as the one you're suggesting would dramatically hurt their public image, and that if they made such a threat to you, you would be likely to publicise it. Electus Matari are not stupid.
As for accusations as to Electus Matari's behaviour - you're actually making a bit more sense there, because those seem reasonable en-OH, NO WAIT, ACTUALLY WE'VE FLOWN WITH THEM. A LOT. MXD used to patrol Metropolis with EM and never did we see any behaviour even remotely comparable to what you're accusing them of.
What are you actually trying to achieve with this? Everyone who actually has a shade of a clue about what Electus Matari are like are very much aware of how they actually behave, and so aren't likely to fall for your ruse. The people who are stupid or gullible enough to actually believe this are either Amarrians who will believe anything bad about EM simply because they're Minmatar and therefore The Enemy, or people who are in absolutely no position to pose a serious threat to the Electus Matari. Long-standing diplomatic agreements do not disappear simply because some two-bit industrial alliance makes some baseless accusations. -----
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo Attacking me is not going to bring anything constructive to this conversation.
Neither will your ad hominems, strawmen or outright lies pilot.
E-M is well known and respected by the community, even by those whom we have fought against such as CVA. E-M's actions over the years have been consistently antithetical to what's purported in the forged logs that you defend so vigorously. You, however, are an unknown entity who shows up here in collusion with another unknown entity in a laughable attempt to smear our reputation.
I'll let our reputation speak for itself. Our past and current deeds vs your unsubstantiated words; I wonder which will have the greater weight? What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand. |
Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:59:00 -
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These do not, at least to me, appear to be forgeries. If anyone does have any technical reason as to why these would be forgeries, please point out these descrepencies to me.
And no, 'It's not like EM' is not a technical reason. A technical reason would be actual signs of the image being shopped.
However according to the mail, they have declared war against the *alliance* War Pigs because of their negative standing towards No Salvation, a member corp. A brief search indicates that the NS corporation has a negative security standing of -1.42. Thus I'd that at worst surmise that No Salvation are a pirate corp that do their 'carebear' necessities in EM's turf, which puts them on EM's radar.
Now the question is no longer whether EM are acting unjustifiably, but rather if the mail really is a forgery, or just EM trying to cover for a stupid mail.
Oh, but I find responses like this cute:
Originally by: Stratio If this is real then EM will surely be along shortly to confirm their new mode of operations.
Otherwise no amount of photos will prove anything.
Waits patiently for EM response
Photographic evidence is clearly not as valuable to capsuleers as the word of corporations they want to be the good guys is.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Darius Shakor
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:11:00 -
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Amarrians really are pretty dense when you get down to it...
Read up and you will see a great whopping discrepancy in the mail date, the content of the mail and the time that Arthur Black and his corporation have been back with Electus Matari. Might take you a while to process this information though and the implication of it.
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:21:00 -
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Ah, I see. My apologies, I'm not as used to dealing with liars and forgeries as you seem to be.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin These do not, at least to me, appear to be forgeries. If anyone does have any technical reason as to why these would be forgeries, please point out these descrepencies to me.
And no, 'It's not like EM' is not a technical reason. A technical reason would be actual signs of the image being shopped.
Proof of forgery is not easy to find, without being in possession of the originals. The image does not look like a forgery.
That does not mean it is genuine. The normal typefaces employed are fairly notorious for not being easy to spot certain letters, l, 1, I, for example.
Looking at the image, there are no obvious forgery artifacts that I can see. No crude copying blocks and pasting them. The transparency and the background create impression of it being real.
There is a way to create such a forgery though. You have the original, you photograph it in front of your background that you wish to use. Then using a false identity such as "Arthur B1ack", "Arthur BIack" or whatever, you create another mail, with the forged contents, which you take a photo of in front of the same background.
You then use sections of the two images, to create a forgery, with the mail being transparent and showing the background. This makes it look a lot more convincing, and is extremely hard to spot any bits that have been altered.
Given the image quality, the jpg format naturally creates compression artifacts that obscure any editing, there is no evidence that this is a forgery.
So, it may be true, it may be a forgery. It all depends on who you trust.
Yes. Yes, I am. |
Mark iT
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:46:00 -
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Fine, call the pain as day image evidence what ever you want, but:
Originally by: Andreus LeHane Long-standing diplomatic agreements do not disappear simply because some two-bit industrial alliance makes some baseless accusations.
Isn't attacking two-bit industrial alliances something a pirate alliance would do? You can see the declaration of war in corporate information. It is very real that they are in fact picking on a much smaller two-bit industrial alliance.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
There is a way to create such a forgery though. You have the original, you photograph it in front of your background that you wish to use. Then using a false identity such as "Arthur B1ack", "Arthur BIack" or whatever, you create another mail, with the forged contents, which you take a photo of in front of the same background.
It seems like it would be trivially easy to search the Capsuleer database to see if such an individual with an obscured name in fact exists and when they became a capsuleer. I would do this myself, but I am currently indisposed with my guests.
Quote: there is no evidence that this is a forgery.
I agree, there is in fact no evidence that this is a forgery. As to the other confusing parts of the mail - perhaps they are part of Arthur Black's own schemes to pirate our two bit industrial alliance. I am willing to concede that perhaps Electus Matari has been mislead by Mr. Black, and that he is using this incident to his own financial gain. The mail is real and we cannot prove it any more than we already have - with visual and textual proof!
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 21:10:00 -
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Captain Jacklin an official reply to the accusations was made just a few posts above:
Originally by: Evanda Char Very creative, Mark IT. I especially like the cute little beastie at the end.
But yes, for the record, this mail is a forgery. We have declared war on War.Pigs for piracy in Molden Heath and Metropolis, which can be verified by any interested party either through Battleclinic or by wandering around in Molden Heath lowsec for a while and getting attacked.
We have not yet contacted War.Pigs with any set of terms and when we do, it won't be with a lot of pseudo-evil posturing or a demand for 2 billion isk. Our standard terms of surrender are for either a cessation of criminal activity (you can see what we define as criminal activity on our public standings page, if interested) or complete departure from Minmatar Republic space. But we don't even know how the war is going to go, yet.
I really do like the piglet, though.
I grow weary of this entire farcical thread, so this will be my last response. Fly safely pilots. What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand. |
Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 21:43:00 -
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Ms. Rella, there has in fact been an official response. However, your official response is nothing more than more evidence that you have declared war upon our two bit industrial alliance for having the gall to defend ourselves from your unwanted attempts at privateering! Once again, I point out that we cannot possibly explain discrepancies in the mail since it is not a forgery and we received it directly from Mr. Black. What I can point out, however, is that this is a classic cover-up-and-deny response to whistleblowing!
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:02:00 -
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Well, having gone over the image, and checked the DED database for Arthur Black and his corporation, I can certainly point out several discrepancies. One of them being the rather huge span in time between the image's claim of when his corporation would rejoin EM and when they actually did rejoin EM. In fact, they've been in Electus Matari for a while now...
This is enough to satisfy me, along with Electus Matari's somewhat untarnished reputation and official statement. I'm afraid, 'small alliance dedicated to industrial processes', that your word does not carry much weight considering the obvious disparity between the alleged mail and reality.
I can't help but feel disappointed, though. Another giant almost looked like it was ready to get out of the self-imposed shackles and finally bare their teeth and claws, and turned out to stay perched upon their pedestal engraved with 'moral high-ground' on the base. Imagine, capsuleers, what could be achieved should alliances like this all go for the throat of the enemy?
Ah well... that's a dreamworld I will never see, I expect.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:12:00 -
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Yes, Ms Del'thul, because going after the Republic's industrial base is going to bring the Empire to its knees! With what - sticks and stones? No, this is vile piracy of the basest sort, and I demand that Electus Matari stop attempting to hide and obfuscate the truth. We have presented multiple visual images and produced data layer confirmation. There is no more that we can do to defend ourselves shy of giving you direct access to our communications systems.
So, as it was put earlier: do so willingly trust the supposed 'good guys' that you are willing to ignore indisputable evidence brought forward by a two bit industrial alliance that has no financial recourse but to blow the whistle? Do you think we would not rather have our merchant marine providing the Republic with much needed war materials? No, we cannot afford to give in to Electus Matari's "cheap" extortion. And now we are honour bound to bring the truth to light!
Behold Electus Matari, the Vile Pirates!
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:13:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 08/03/2010 22:14:00 "Undeniable evidence?"
I hereby present similarly undeniable evidence that Saxon Hawke recently attempted to blackmail Mixed Metaphor.
The image is of course a forgery. It took five minutes of work.
However, unlike you, we are honest enough to admit that. -----
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KillJoy Tseng
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:14:00 -
[40]
Well, this is amusing. I'll leave aside the question of how this forgery was committed; I'm sure it's very clever and they're very proud of the technical details. The text of the message has obvious issues that have been pointed out previously and I won't bother to dwell upon.
A few minor points however. A cursory review of publicly available killboards shows no small amount of activity that could be classified as piracy, working aside known pirate groups, attacking haulers in school corporations, so on and so forth. Even more amusingly, Kismo himself shows up on the Minmatar Militia's killboard even after his corporation joined the alliance in question... once having downed a TLF Claw, and several other times having lost ships to varying combinations of pilots in known militia corporations and sentry fire.
Electus Matari, over our history, has been known to deal with entities harmful to the residents of the Republic. This is an extension of that policy, and I won't demean the intelligence of readers by assuming that I need to explain why.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:18:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Kismo Yes, Ms Del'thul, because going after the Republic's industrial base is going to bring the Empire to its knees! With what - sticks and stones? No, this is vile piracy of the basest sort, and I demand that Electus Matari stop attempting to hide and obfuscate the truth. We have presented multiple visual images and produced data layer confirmation. There is no more that we can do to defend ourselves shy of giving you direct access to our communications systems.
Your images are suspect, due to massive disparity between them and reality/DED databases.
Originally by: Kismo
So, as it was put earlier: do so willingly trust the supposed 'good guys' that you are willing to ignore indisputable evidence brought forward by a two bit industrial alliance that has no financial recourse but to blow the whistle? Do you think we would not rather have our merchant marine providing the Republic with much needed war materials? No, we cannot afford to give in to Electus Matari's "cheap" extortion. And now we are honour bound to bring the truth to light!
Behold Electus Matari, the Vile Pirates!
The evidence is hardly indisputable. Your 'truth' is tarnished by the ridiculous amount of discrepancies in the alleged 'evidence', and the fact that you have no prior history of honorable or truthful behaviour. Unlike, Electus Matari, that is.
Repeating yourself isn't going to make it any more true. Find actual evidence, without major discrepancies, and I will reassess it and my position. Until then, you hold nothing but what appears to be forgeries. In this particular case... Well, I'll let the doubt work in EM's favor, as they have a history of being both truthful and honorable.
Too much so...
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:23:00 -
[42]
As I have repeatedly stated, simple kill records do not contain context - and context is vitally important to understanding us. If you will take a moment to examine the kill records, you will notice that there is no evidence that I fired the first shot when being attacked by TLF and friends. The simple fact that I was considered a security risk by Concord - as any good Freedom Fighter should be! - was "evidence enough" for them to attack without warning or provocation.
As to the "autopiloting" industrials - they were harmfully damaging the Republic's economy and funneling their funds to the Empire.
OOC Note: You seriously don't intend to hold killing macro haulers against me?
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:25:00 -
[43]
You're fundamentally duplicitous. Your image evidence has been demonstrated to be highly suspect, as has the supposed content of the mail. Why, thusly, should we trust anything you say about the "context" of your kills? -----
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:34:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Kismo on 08/03/2010 22:34:30 To the contrary, the image evidence is impeccable because it is real. The only questions relate to the content of the message, which we are naturally at a loss to explain. I suggest you direct your attentions regarding the contents of the message to Mr. Black himself, even though he now denies having sent the message in the first place. Clearly, this is simply a cover up response from Electus Matari to salvage their reputation.
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Biggus McChinnus
Minmatar The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:36:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Shirley Serious Looking at the image, there are no obvious forgery artifacts that I can see. No crude copying blocks and pasting them. The transparency and the background create impression of it being real.
Given the image quality, the jpg format naturally creates compression artifacts that obscure any editing, there is no evidence that this is a forgery.
Yes, you seem to be correct in suggesting that there is no evidence that this is a forgery, if you are only looking at what is there, however, if you look for what isn't there, you will find compelling proof that the image has, in fact, been edited. The nature of the edit cannot be determined without an original, but the creator of that file is clearly trying to hide something.
All images, when created, are stamped with information within their code. This is commonly referred to as 'EXIF information'. This information could contain the author, the size of the file, the name of the file, the date it was created and many other interesting details about the file's history. I believe CONCORD pioneered the technology in order to help their agents validate genuine intelligence reports quicker. Regardless, over the years, it has become standard in civilian circles and 99.5% of software will imprint some kind of stamp on the file, regardless of the creator of the software.
When the image was taken, some form of EXIF information would have been written to the file. If the image was edited in any way, additional EXIF information would have been written to the file. As it currently stands, there is NO such information of any kind stored within the file. It is clear that the information has been wiped clear, intentionally I should add, in order to hide the file's history and any information that could link the file to high quality or professional editing software. It's suspicious to say the least.
Then, add this suspicion to the factual errors within the alleged mail and the totally out of character nature of the alleged mail and you have all you need to label this mail a forgery.
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Mark iT
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Shirley Serious This is commonly referred to as 'EXIF information'.
The Evemail that Arthur sent me was taken with a screen capture. I read up on the ECIF thing you are talking about and that information is something that is tagged into various image formats with a digital camera. [site]
It is bad enough that we are bearing through the insult of being called no named two-bits and meat puppet forgers, but EM using their history to bully us and get the community's support in doing so is heart breaking.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:08:00 -
[47]
Oh, spare me the melodrama. I've already proved that it is an exceptionally trivial matter to falsify a screenshot of an EVEmail for personal gain. Literally all it requires is for you to have been EVEmailed once by the person whose name you wish to run through the mud, as this provides the required image elements for a photomanip job. As Arthur has specifically stated he did in fact EVEmail you, and this was, through no fault of his own, a mistake, as it has allowed you to rubbish him. -----
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Biggus McChinnus
Minmatar The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:15:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Mark iT The Evemail that Arthur sent me was taken with a screen capture. I read up on the ECIF thing you are talking about and that information is something that is tagged into various image formats with a digital camera. [site]
Of course, you're going to act dumb and deny it, seeing as you were most likely the forger. That said, you will undoubtedly defend your position and hold your ground, despite the mounting facts to refute you and your forgery's claims, as that is what any forger will do, so enough of this futile argument. Hopefully, the next time we talk will be in space.
(( please ... save a file using paint in windows ... photoshop ... gimp ... any piece of photo or editing software and then take a look at the file in an EXIF viewer and you'll see info, such as the size of the file, the date it was created, the piece of software used, etc. etc. etc. ... and the photo clearly underwent some kind of editing as you pixellated the chat in the left, thus EXIF information would have been imprinted on the file ))
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Tizian Enel
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:28:00 -
[49]
There is no need to get so technical about proving this is a forgery.
I'll quote Darius (who quoted me) again. I thought these facts wouldn't have needed repeating, but I guess capsuleers get excited by technical details all too easily.
Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: Kismo We have undeniable proof that Electus Matari or its leaders have turned to outright piracy.
Originally by: Tizian Enel "We will be back under the EM banner shortly (in a few weeks)" Mail is dated 2010.03.08 Arthur Blacks corporation has been under EM banner since 2010.01.10.
Quite a bad forgery here.
Thanks for playing, no prize for you today though.
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Tarran
Black Swan Enterprises Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:46:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Tarran on 08/03/2010 23:47:03
Originally by: Mark iT
Originally by: Shirley Serious This is commonly referred to as 'EXIF information'.
The Evemail that Arthur sent me was taken with a screen capture. I read up on the ECIF thing you are talking about and that information is something that is tagged into various image formats with a digital camera. [site]
It is bad enough that we are bearing through the insult of being called no named two-bits and meat puppet forgers, but EM using their history to bully us and get the community's support in doing so is heart breaking.
LOL! And the Award for Best Actor in a Fake "My Heart is Broken" Role goes to ...
Ive had no interaction with either side in this threadscrap, but sheesh - you ought to realize when you've been busted. Great image forgery but missing the timing problem the UK guy points out above was sloppy. 2/10 on the troll.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:50:00 -
[51]
All we are doing here is blowing the whistle. We received the mail from Arthur Black demanding a two billion ISK ransom, and whatever misleading or false text he chose to put in the mail is not really something we can do anything about. The simple fact here is that we are under attack by what as far as we can tell are highsec pirates and griefers out to disrupt our industrial presence in their turf. Truly, is not declaring war on an industrial alliance an act of piracy?!
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.09 00:12:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kismo All we are doing here is blowing the whistle. We received the mail from Arthur Black demanding a two billion ISK ransom, and whatever misleading or false text he chose to put in the mail is not really something we can do anything about. The simple fact here is that we are under attack by what as far as we can tell are highsec pirates and griefers out to disrupt our industrial presence in their turf. Truly, is not declaring war on an industrial alliance an act of piracy?!
Ohhhh!
SF does have a strong industrial backbone too, I declare everyone who has declared war on us in the past six years a pirate! Filthy scum!
Seriously, you're being ridiculous. Had you come up with this another time, or with a credible forgery, people may have believed you. But now that the Summit is crawling with name- and faceless vermin, a dubious picture just isn't going to cut it.
--- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
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Dame Death
Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.09 00:42:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Dame Death on 09/03/2010 00:43:24 Edited by: Dame Death on 09/03/2010 00:42:23 Why would EM need to ransom for 2bil? Its a paltay sum and ive handed about that if not more over to them in the past few weeks in exchange for certan ships.
I'm acombat pilot and and back in the day ransomed for more so it was worth my time. Their industrists so make more then me.
If your gonna make a fake ransom note make it for proper ammount.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.09 00:50:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kismo All we are doing here is blowing the whistle. We received the mail from Arthur Black demanding a two billion ISK ransom, and whatever misleading or false text he chose to put in the mail is not really something we can do anything about. The simple fact here is that we are under attack by what as far as we can tell are highsec pirates and griefers out to disrupt our industrial presence in their turf. Truly, is not declaring war on an industrial alliance an act of piracy?!
You've essentially been proved to be lying. You are of course aware that you're lying, EM, having sent the mail, are also obviously aware that you're lying, we, as the public, are aware that you're lying. Pretty much everyone is aware that you're lying. Why do you continue to lie when you are plainly aware that no-one actually believes you, least of all yourselves? -----
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Mark iT
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:22:00 -
[55]
So I dug more into EXIF. EXIF contains information about the camera settings from a digital camera. A screen capture will not contain any camera information since there is no camera involved. Photoshop is capable of preserving the information if it was initially there (taken from a digital camera).
What I find particularity disturbing is that despite the fact that there is no possible way to reveal the authenticity of my screen capture, someone believed this may reveal my out of game information and attempted to seek it out.
Originally by: Biggus McChinnus This is commonly referred to as 'EXIF information'. This information could contain the author, the size of the file, the name of the file, the date it was created and many other interesting details about the file's history.
Prior to this, I did not know EM. If EM does not stand behind his email then I can only assume that Arthur Black is acting on his own. Perhaps trying to make a buck off his alliance, using the opportunity of this unjust war declaration to attempt to pad his personal wallet.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:26:00 -
[56]
I find it so amazing that you are not believing the truth set before you. I understand that you believe the message to be fake, and that this seems completely out of character for Mr. Black. However, we can only blow the whistle on what we received in the mail, and I don't think we can further prove the authenticity of this mail without compromising Mr. iT's GalNet login credentials, and I am hoping that he has not put that option on the table!
Nobody except Mr. Black can answer why he put such obviously incorrect information in the mail, for certainly no fraudsters of the supposed skill we are accused of being would have been so careless. But perhaps Mr. Black put that in his mail to automatically discredit us as frauds if we attempted to blow the whistle on him. Really, we have nothing to gain from exposing Electus Matari's attempted piracy, except for the satisfaction of not taking their plundering lying down!
Electus Matari, you are pirating a "two bit" industrial alliance in the broad of daylight for all to see! Shame on you for calling yourselves "anti-pirate"!
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Kozmo Nott
Caldari Two Smoking Barrels
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:37:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Grr Electus Matari may be thieves, saboteurs and terrorist sympathizers but they are not pirates.
Homosexual, necrophiliac, rapists can be added to this list.
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Kozmo Nott
Caldari Two Smoking Barrels
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:44:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mark iT Also, do not misinterpret the message. We are in no way requesting a cease fire.
In that case, be sure to cover your ass just in case they decide to try and **** you before they kill you.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.09 02:45:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/03/2010 02:46:22
Originally by: Mark iT someone believed this may reveal my out of game information and attempted to seek it out.
que? "out of game"?
I'd almost be turned on by this piglet whining, but alas, stupid doesn't wash off.
now on the real issue! why does Arthur get this kind of fan boi lust?
between truth handel and juice.pig I once again feel left out.
Originally by: Kozmo Nott
Originally by: Grr Electus Matari may be thieves, saboteurs and terrorist sympathizers but they are not pirates.
Homosexual, necrophiliac, rapists can be added to this list.
you seem to be getting your minmatar confused. IÆm not in Electus Matari. |
Father Kraen
Amarr The Aeternus Crusade
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Posted - 2010.03.09 05:24:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Father Kraen on 09/03/2010 05:24:31
Originally by: Mark iT someone believed this may reveal my out of game information and attempted to seek it out.
Aaaaand EM wins the thread.
What a joke. ============================= CEO, The Aeternus Crusade |
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Jet Aeon
Gallente Two Smoking Barrels
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Posted - 2010.03.09 06:22:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Jet Aeon on 09/03/2010 06:22:21
Originally by: Kozmo Nott
Originally by: Grr Electus Matari may be thieves, saboteurs and terrorist sympathizers but they are not pirates.
Homosexual, necrophiliac, rapists can be added to this list.
you seem to be getting your minmatar confused. IÆm not in Electus Matari.
It sounds like you just kicked the door open and jumped out of the closet.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.09 06:26:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jet Aeon
It sounds like you just kicked the door open and jumped out of the closet.
And it sounds like you don't quite know who you're talking to. --- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.09 07:00:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Jet Aeon Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Kozmo Nott
Originally by: Grr Electus Matari may be thieves, saboteurs and terrorist sympathizers but they are not pirates.
Homosexual, necrophiliac, rapists can be added to this list.
you seem to be getting your minmatar confused. IÆm not in Electus Matari.
It sounds like you just kicked the door open and jumped out of the closet.
I was in a closet?
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Graelyn
Amarr Storm Genesis Imperial Raata Directorate
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Posted - 2010.03.09 08:32:00 -
[64]
Thread Disclaimer: Facepalms of this intensity could have concussive effects. -------
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Gottii
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.09 09:01:00 -
[65]
All I'm saying is, if we're extorting billions, where the hell is my cut?
(...and yes thats sarcasm)
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.09 09:45:00 -
[66]
Again, you continue to loudly insist that you're telling the truth when everyone including yourself knows that it's falsehood. Why? Why do you continue to persist in telling lies that you know for a fact no-one will believe? -----
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.09 13:49:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Andreus LeHane Again, you continue to loudly insist that you're telling the truth when everyone including yourself knows that it's falsehood. Why? Why do you continue to persist in telling lies that you know for a fact no-one will believe?
They fear death. Even in temporary form.
I hope that death will be dispatched to them, over and over. _______________________ We come for our people! |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:29:00 -
[68]
It's the principle of the thing that irritates me. Telling lies is one thing, telling lies you know that no-one will believe is quite another altogether. -----
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:52:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Andreus LeHane It's the principle of the thing that irritates me. Telling lies is one thing, telling lies you know that no-one will believe is quite another altogether.
A formula has been enthusing Archbishop of PIE for many years...
True Knowledge |
Mark iT
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 22:00:00 -
[70]
-- The GalNet monitor phases then pops into a new broadcast --
An amused man leans over a desk at undisclosed Dominations Logistic Support station. His mood shifts and he begins:
ôThe timing of the declaration of war from Electus Matari on War Pigs was something that concerned us. It seemed far too much of a coincidence that we had recently deployed massive amounts of wealth into space. Regardless of our spy's within Electus Matari not being able to reveal weather Electus Matari had the intel to act upon or deployment, we viewed the list of alliances they like to get homosexual with, and were not willing to take the risk.
Within the last few hours we completed securing our wealth into other venues. The operation of distracting Electus Matari and allies was far too easy. Had you not been too caught up in proving your sanctity you may have noticed the name of our alliance (WAR PIGS) as well as the name of our flag corporation (NO SALVATION) and perhaps you could have figured out that unlike you we are in fact not at the mercy of the Empire.
You caught our alliance slightly off balance, but failed to execute any meaningful attack. My pilots were able to divert your attention with minimal investments in time. Kismo did an excellent job of keeping your attention while we operated in the shadows. As with all of our engagements with Electus Matari, we walk away from another one laughing at your foolishness.ö
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.10 00:52:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Mark iT No one believed our bull**** and we couldn't fight you, so instead we moved everything into third party holdings and ran. But that wasn't heroic so we decided to make up more bull**** about it being planned all along.
Noted.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:51:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Mark iT we viewed the list of alliances they like to get homosexual with
Sir, you have now officially landed yourself on my KoS list for the rest of ****ing time. -----
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:25:00 -
[73]
An impressive and fast way to ruin the reputation of an entire alliance.
You should publish a tutorial on that, Mr It. --- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
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Millie Clode
Amarr Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:31:00 -
[74]
Thankfully, in space no one can hear you facepalm. ---------- Sig Page 1 Snipah YOU CANT MINE SO YOU KILL |
duch crystal
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.10 15:34:00 -
[75]
Job done, moving on
Thanks to all that have put in time and effort Recruitment thread here |
dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.03.10 17:31:00 -
[76]
I chuckled. *SPLUD* |
Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.11 05:32:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Jakiin
Originally by: Mark iT No one believed our bull**** and we couldn't fight you, so instead we moved everything into third party holdings and ran. But that wasn't heroic so we decided to make up more bull**** about it being planned all along.
Noted.
Jakiin, I have to ask... Have you ever considered renouncing slavery? It would make it a lot easier for me to come to terms with how much I want to like you right now. -Eva-
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.03.13 22:44:00 -
[78]
I understand that the war is going very well for Alexis Atari and The Casually! Congratulations to them on such a job well done!
* Kismo adjusts his eye patch, pets his colorful bird, and stumps away from the holo laughing maniacally. "Yarr, muther fu..." is faintly audible just before the feed cuts out.
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Mark iT
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 04:44:00 -
[79]
You guys give up too easy.
Anyway, it has been a pleasure doing business with you.
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Fifinella
Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.15 13:55:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Mark iT Regardless of our spy's within Electus Matari not being able to reveal weather Electus Matari had the intel to act upon or deployment.
Considering how openly the reasons for this wardec, as well as strategies to be employed, were discussed in comms open to all EM members, your spies must be simply horrible. |
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.05.11 06:33:00 -
[81]
* The Galnet screen flickers to life, revealing a skinny Achura with an eyepatch a bright colorful bird. He begins a talkin
Yarr, mateys. I come to ye with the saddest news! It seems that Electus Matari is up to its old bag o dirty tricks again, mateys! I bring to ye pictures aplenty of Electus Matari operating in outright piracy by mission busting in Metropolis! Yarr, and they made the lad walk the plank. Twas a sad site to see, what with his wreck floating sadly in his mission!
* The screen abruptly flashes to two image captures, and plays them in repeat as the voice continues
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/2010.05.11.04.54.44_-_Copy.png http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/2010.05.11.04.54.51_-_Copy.png
ABNtanker, the poor victim of these evil scourges of the spaceways, had this to say about it when informed of Electus Matari's "anti-pirate" ways:
[04:30:50] Kismo > I was waiting for that. Smile [04:32:21] Kismo > nice loki. I assume the Proteus is with you? [04:53:09] Kismo > LOL [04:53:13] Kismo > And I thought Electus Matari was anti pirate [04:53:42] Tasadare > and we are [04:53:48] ABNTanker > ? [04:53:54] Hesperius > then why did you attack and kill abntanker? [04:54:05] Kismo > Which is why you have GCCs and a neutral hurricane wreck is on d-scan [04:54:06] Tasadare > agression [04:54:26] Hesperius > Funny, you are the one with the GCC [04:54:37] ABNTanker > I tried warping out when I saw you and you scrambled me [04:55:35] Tasadare > ABN, you're red toward Covenants United [04:55:46] Kismo > Brutor Tribe is red to you? [04:55:48] Kismo > *REALLY*? [04:55:50] ABNTanker > how? [04:55:56] Kismo > You can't set corp standings to individuals. [04:56:18] Hesperius > tisk tisk [04:56:24] Hesperius > EM turns to piracy [04:56:27] Tasadare > yes, we cna, end of transmisison, [04:56:35] Kismo > No, you can't. End of transmission
I found record of this on Galnet here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10265339#mail I further 'vestigated the young lad's losses here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=ABNTanker. It appears 18 losses and 0 kills ever recorded. Poor soul.
There ye have it, Electus Matari has turned to base piracy and mission bustin in Metropolis low sec space. Yarr!
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.11 08:07:00 -
[82]
Technical clarification: Corporations are able to set standings to individuals (just verified again via my own corp interface). Alliances can not.
Policy clarification: Our rules of engagement allow incurring a "global criminal flag" and security hit in the course of hunting valid targets, as not all pirates are kind enough to become outlaws. Likewise, a known pirate can not hope to hide in Tribe corporations.
Electus Matari does take this incident very serious, and we'll investigate these accusations with great care. Please understand that this will take some time - posting on IGS will not speed that up.
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2010.05.11 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik Technical clarification: Corporations are able to set standings to individuals (just verified again via my own corp interface). Alliances can not.
Policy clarification: Our rules of engagement allow incurring a "global criminal flag" and security hit in the course of hunting valid targets, as not all pirates are kind enough to become outlaws. Likewise, a known pirate can not hope to hide in Tribe corporations.
Electus Matari does take this incident very serious, and we'll investigate these accusations with great care. Please understand that this will take some time - posting on IGS will not speed that up.
I don't see the need to worry, honestly. I lost count of how many times in my life I've recieved flagging for agression, shooting a non-outlaw pirate. Went as far down as -3.5 at one time. Being a vigilante might possibly be the most taxing job available to capsuleers, and the one mostly disputed.
After all, doing an effective job requires repeated work to avoid becoming what you shoot at, or gaining the appearance of one. In the end, a good job grants a spesific reputation, yours is nearly flawless - as opposed to our dear tread-necromancer here, out to throw dirt about... again.
Didn't you have enough last time, Kismo?
It will be a cold day in hell before I'll take your random and fickle word over EM's. I'd imagine I'm not alone in that regard. ------------------------------------- Alexander Kamy· Allisieer - CO-founder, NOVAF |
Kismo
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Posted - 2010.05.11 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kismo on 11/05/2010 09:17:14
Originally by: BloodBird
I don't see the need to worry, honestly. I lost count of how many times in my life I've recieved flagging for agression, shooting a non-outlaw pirate. Went as far down as -3.5 at one time. Being a vigilante might possibly be the most taxing job available to capsuleers, and the one mostly disputed.
To be quite frank, the only way that this was being a vigilante is if being a low sec carebear is against the rules. ABNTanker has done absolutely nothing to show himself even capable of PVP here (and I have... tested him on this!) This isn't so much "taking my word for it" as making sure that your head isn't buried so deep in the sand that you can't open your eyes to look at the evidence for yourself. There's really two options... Electus Matari is harboring a couple of pirates or they're harboring a whole pirate corp. The question is what they intend to do about it.
Truly, would it not be my civic duty to report to Electus Matari when their pilots pirates are attacking pure carebears in low sec? Or did you not bother to examine the links to his kill (read: loss) history? Yea, surely carebearing is a crime against Electus Matari?
And the most amusing thing is that the pilot in question has decided that he will devote his entire corp to killing me personally for daring to bring up such a.... suspicious kill.
(OOC: Truly, it seemed quite appropriate to resurrect this thread - mostly for the sake of continuing a thread of roleplay. It was actually quite amusing to find Electus Matari involved in actual piracy )
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.05.11 18:08:00 -
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Yarr, mateys. I bring ye an intrestin bit o infomashun! I direct yer attentions to anuther ex-hibit from Tasadare's own bloody piratical hand! http://img29.imageshack.us/i/20100511045755.png/
There be important stuffs to note here, yarr! Frist, we see ABNTanker is nae marked red ta Tasadare! Aye, he be marked as aggressed for defending imself from this brutal bloody pirate attack! Yarr, I say if ABNTanker be current marked red to Tasadare's corp it be part of the attempt to cover up this plain act o piracy o the spaceways! Aye, or possibly to have juicetefied it in the frist place, yarr!
Then I point to the bottom where Tasadare says, "One hurricane just been killed... the jokey one's have tried earlier to shoot a tribal cruiser at a gate, 15 minutes later in a mission... we got it". Aye, I never seen ABNTanker do such a thing, the yellow scurvy curr! I do nae belief he was attacking cruisers on a gate, yarr! I also say that I kan account for the 15 minutes afore this attack as these two pirates were scanning down mission running carebears in another system several jumps away. He even probed down a mission I was helping one of the yellow carebears with, yarr. These bloody cruel Electus Matari pirates could nae have been in position to observe this hypothetical attack!
Agin, Tasadare's own vizu-awls did nae have ABNTanker red even after the sadistic pirate attack, and the two pirates could nae even have been in position ta see this alleged extremely uncharicteesic "attack" by ABNTanker. Its clear that we have at least two pirates, yea and perhaps an entire pirate corp, hiding behind the "anti-pirate" flag of Electus Matari. I trust that Arkady will make this situation right, and move to restore the honor of Electus Matari, yarr!
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