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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.08 12:06:00 -
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The latest QEN showed the dominance of Jita in trade is growing.
Have all those ships in one place, Jita, increases the risk overloading the node/grid. It's currently better than it has been in the past but continued growth will increase the likeliness of it returning/deteriorating one day.
That dominance is derived by the large number of stations and services available in Jita compared to the other trade hubs. Therefore attract trade away from Jita by buffing the major trade hub of each of the other factions. Add a Factory Station. Add a Labs Station. Add Office/Hanger stations. Add Agents in or near, one of each level.
From an RP perspective it's a bit silly that Gallente are compelled to travel to Jita to trade, less of a problem but equally silly in Minmatar travelling to Domain to trade. Trading with the enemy should be more difficult, trading with Allies should be easier.
Therefore make the routes between enemy hubs a little longer, and the routes between allies slightly shorter, make trade more bi-lateral rather than quad-lateral.
Oursulaert closer to Rens. Oursulaert further from Jita. Jita closer to Domain Domain further from Rens.
While tweeking that make sure Jita <-> Domain is the same/similar as Rens <-> Oursulaert Jita <-> Oursulaert is same/similar as Rens <-> Domain.
When faction standing is negative, increase the tax on a trading perhaps a separate import tariff.
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Witcher
Amarr Russian Specialists Group
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Posted - 2010.03.08 12:31:00 -
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Nice, thread - if only you knew what you are talking about !
First btw - comon flame him boys ! :)
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.08 12:50:00 -
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*facepalms*
1. trading in jita is done to 99.99999% in one station (4-4 caldari navy assembly plant). the other stations are mostly unused.
2. you already pay more tax and broker fee for bad standing. given the volume that can be quite a lot of extra costs.
3. jita isnt the major trade hub because CCP made it that way. players created it. and you know why it it is the major trade hub? because people move all their stuff there to trade it.
the regional trade hubs get close to it, but dont really reach the volume.
you really dont know what you were talking about.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
1. trading in jita is done to 99.99999% in one station (4-4 caldari navy assembly plant). the other stations are mostly unused.
The trade at 4-4 is supported by production from numerous factories, labs and mining operations in and around Jita.
Originally by: darius mclever
2. you already pay more tax and broker fee for bad standing. given the volume that can be quite a lot of extra costs.
Wrong. Tax is limited by Accounting skill, standing has no effect. Broker fee is limited only by corporation standing, not faction standing. This is clearly not enough to discourage trading with the enemy, which is frankly silly.
Originally by: darius mclever
3. jita isnt the major trade hub because CCP made it that way. players created it. and you know why it it is the major trade hub? because people move all their stuff there to trade it.
the regional trade hubs get close to it, but dont really reach the volume.
you really dont know what you were talking about.
Eve is a sandbox governed by the rules and toys CCP provide, the Jita effect was inevitable and was even called the Yulai effect when that was the number 1 hub.
The faction trade hubs are not even close to Jita, if you had been bothered to read the QEN you would see the figures speak for themselves. Jita 53%, Domain 8.9%.
So not only are you factually wrong on every point you make, you have the affront to say that I don't know what I'm talking about. That makes you look foolish, double so when you cannot even punctuate your post properly. So sit down little boy and let the big people talk about something serious.
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Cyaxares II
Gallente Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari Broker fee is limited only by corporation standing, not faction standing.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Wyke Mossari Broker fee is limited only by corporation standing, not faction standing.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
This!
In answer to your other thread: Originally by: Wyke Mossari 1) Should we care that Jita Dominates? 2) If we do care; what should we do about it?
1) No 2) Not Applicable
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 08/03/2010 17:05:47
Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Wyke Mossari Broker fee is limited only by corporation standing, not faction standing.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
Touche. A minor error now corrected that doesn't change the fundamental point. It is so small it doesn't discourage trading with the enemy which is silly.
And no I won't stop posting because somebody tells me to, only when somebody provide a cohesive argument why the proposal is wrong, a single line troll isn't that. This is supposed to be a discussion.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:03:00 -
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By definition of the network effect, the majority of the trade volume will clump up in one convenient location, regardless of any attempts to distribute trading volumes more evenly.
Thus trying nerf Jita and all that rabble is a moot point.
Not supported. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 08/03/2010 17:05:14
Originally by: Wyke Mossari It {the effect of faction standings on broker fees} is so small it doesn't discourage trading with the enemy.
If it was larger, the most that you could expect is that people would use alts to avoid it.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:37:00 -
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I would still think that the location is more important than the stations around. e.g. dodixie got a hub because of the good lvl4 agent and the relatively close position to the jita -> hek pipe.
rens mostlikely got a hub because it is relatively close to amamake.
amarr is pretty close (5-6jumps) to many lowsec entries.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:07:00 -
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Trade Hubs are created by players.
You go to place a buy/sell order at any station you can dock at and there fore you are commencing trade.
Therefore... you don't know what the hell your talking about.
CCP Can't do nothing about this... people just need to get used to doing business somewhere else. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Trade Hubs are created by players.
You go to place a buy/sell order at any station you can dock at and there fore you are commencing trade.
Therefore... you don't know what the hell your talking about.
CCP Can't do nothing about this... people just need to get used to doing business somewhere else.
Perhaps you should read up on Opportunity Cost and Barriers to Entry and opportunity cost before commenting further.
There are plenty of things CCP can do to shape the environment and influence player decisions on this matter, the question at hand is what is the most appropriate thing to do.
To name a few, I don't like them all but they would work.
Docking queues at busy stations.
Increase in exploration sites in quite systems.
More rats in quite systems.
Congestion charge based on how busy the system, constellation and region are, applied to applied to factory & lab charges, broker fees, office & hanger rent.
Agents in busy systems have fewer missions and occasionally make you wait, or send you way to run X number missions for my college in station Z.
Agents in quite systems pay increased bonus or LP to entice pilots in to work for them.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:49:00 -
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yes a lot of people run missions in jita or plexes.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Trade Hubs are created by players.
You go to place a buy/sell order at any station you can dock at and there fore you are commencing trade.
Therefore... you don't know what the hell your talking about.
CCP Can't do nothing about this... people just need to get used to doing business somewhere else.
========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:44:00 -
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For some time I have been considering this same problem. There must be other Gallente loyalists who are concerned about this problem. Anyway, your first vote of support
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.03.08 21:02:00 -
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Jita is fine. In fact it's so fine that it's a product of the multiplayer sandbox manifesting itself.
Also adding arbitrary and pointless limits wouldn't help anything, traders don't have to be in Jita to trade in Jita or have you never looked at the trade skills tree?
No one is compelled to go to Jita to trade in the slightest. But because it's so big and so competitive it often has the best prices for buying and the quickest sells. A player can do just fine in other hubs both with trading or outfitting ships.
Really you haven't even given a decent argument that there is a problem in the first place why should we even bother to consider changing it? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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