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Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.08 13:51:00 - [1] Just wanted to make a quick post about my experiences with Lvl 5 missions for Minmatar agents. The ships I used were a fully tanked Drake, DPS Loki (going to switch for a Tempest. Lots of BSs so you need high DPS), and a friend in a Basilisk with 4 Large reps permaran. These missions are incredably easy. First missions was Operation WyrmsbaneOperation Wyrmsbane. So easy it's not even funny. Took maybe 30 minsutes to complete. I started by warping my pod in to start the triggers. Once that was done the drake warped in followed very closely by the Basi and loki. Drake took full agrro with 3 reps running. Once everything was killed we started on the bunker triggering the next spawn. I put the Loki right next to the bunker to grab agrro. No webs so I speed tanked everything without reps. Next was Sansha on the Horizon. Same setup as listed about. Warped my pod is to start triggering the spawn of frigates. Warped in the Drake followed closely by the Basi and Loki. Popped the Stasis Towers and started killing frigs. We got so bored that we popped the bunker with 10 BSs and a few BCs just to complete the mission (Blitz). Next was Liberate the Miners. This one caused some trouble. Warped the Drake in followed by the Basi and Loki. Popped the Stasis Towers and the frigs, but then the Drake popped. Got another Drake, and killed as many Bss as we could and sustained the tank at about 50% armor on the (second) Drake. Then killed everything else. Don't bother looting and salvaging. Takes too long, and the loot is worse than an average Lvl 4. Used an Orca to tractor the wrecks with salvage dessys with rigs and T2 salvagers. Just not worth it. I plan on frapsing these, and throwing them on youtube to show people that these are very easy! I read up on Lvl 5s for a good 2 months before I decided to give it a go. They sounds scarry and hardcore, but they're not!! A small corp with a Drake, DPS, and a few Ospreys can do this! Every ship had full T2. No faction or deadspace. Get out there and give them a try! 60k LP with meh social skills for 30 - 50 minutes is amazing.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:01:00 - [2] You ran three missions and lost one (close to two) ships. That's not incredibly easy. That sounds tantilizingly close to a reasonable challenge. Now, once you get the hang of them, maybe they'll become incredibly easy.
Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Trebor Whettam You ran three missions and lost one (close to two) ships. That's not incredibly easy. That sounds tantilizingly close to a reasonable challenge. Now, once you get the hang of them, maybe they'll become incredibly easy. Actually, I wasn't going to say this, I removed all the Shield Power Relays from the lows and put in all BCUs to makke it go faster when the Drake popped. Most EM/Therm missions have crazy high DPS, and it doesn't help that a Drakes Resists for EM start at 0. 3 Ships on missions that I've heard entire corp try and lose ships is pretty easy. (Not trying to argue with you BTW.) I ran more than 3. I figured getting the word out there, and letting some knowledge out for once on these boards would stimulate some people to give them a shot. The Drake is now a Rattlesnake, so we dropped the Basi. Again, didn't want to put that in the first impressions so I didn't scare any small corps, or 2 friends trying to find a new way to have fun, away from these.
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Chigy Originally by: Trebor Whettam You ran three missions and lost one (close to two) ships. That's not incredibly easy. That sounds tantilizingly close to a reasonable challenge. Now, once you get the hang of them, maybe they'll become incredibly easy. Actually, I wasn't going to say this, I removed all the Shield Power Relays from the lows and put in all BCUs to makke it go faster when the Drake popped. Most EM/Therm missions have crazy high DPS, and it doesn't help that a Drakes Resists for EM start at 0. 3 Ships on missions that I've heard entire corp try and lose ships is pretty easy. (Not trying to argue with you BTW.) I ran more than 3. I figured getting the word out there, and letting some knowledge out for once on these boards would stimulate some people to give them a shot. The Drake is now a Rattlesnake, so we dropped the Basi. Again, didn't want to put that in the first impressions so I didn't scare any small corps, or 2 friends trying to find a new way to have fun, away from these. i did about 10 of them when they just came out and another 10 or so a few weeks ago, some on tq , some on sisi they're not "easy" , however , if you fit your ship(s) proper you can reduce the risk to below 1% , i did them all with just one account and i ~would~ make them my primary choice of income ... if they weren't in low sec as it stands, however, this game content is more for people who pirate often and have an extra alt in a carrier, they probably do these missions when there are no newbies to squish in their low sec and so they have 10 minutes to blitz a lvl 5 - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:56:00 - [5] I have yet to get a mission in lowsec. Every single mission that has been offered has been in lowsec.
Erich Herrmann	Posted - 2010.03.08 15:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Chigy I have yet to get a mission in lowsec. Every single mission that has been offered has been in lowsec. That totally makes sense. But it doesn't make sense at all.
Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.08 15:35:00 - [7] Hoping not to get everyone into the "bleh, lvl5s are EZ!" mood: 1. You ran "easiest" missions, ones with dual damage profile, the easiest to setup tank on. And even then you lost your tank. 2. You had 3 ships in non-optimal config. I don't know whether you will survive a typical Angel/Matar mission considering that your tank didn't survive simple EM/T mission (and DPS doesn't look all that bad, just 12 BSes and some towers). And having looked down the thread I saw something about SPRs and...armor rep? I didn't see a hull repair module, though, why are you not triple tanking? With a logistic backup you ought to run 2 buffer and gank BSes as your tank/DPS.
Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.08 16:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Kzintee ...quote] Not sure where you got that I was armor tanking... Reading fail I guess. Sounds like the elitists are missing my point of making this thread.
Ernesto DaSilva	Posted - 2010.03.08 16:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Chigy Not sure where you got that I was armor tanking... Reading fail I guess. there: Originally by: Chigy and sustained the tank at about 50% armor on the (second) Drake. writing fail I guess :P
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.08 16:38:00 - [10] hey hey it took you in a (i guess) a well tanked drake (which you lost) a basi (4x reps is fail fyi) and a loki to complete a set of missions (which you lost ships in) and you call them easy ? how is that "easy" easy would be 1 pilot in 1 ship doing the whole thing afk in a perma rep domi/ishtar. if it takes you 3 pilots with a dedicated rep ship (628 dps rep /s) as well as a drake (brick tanked i hope) i certainly wouldnt call that easy. you could have used the ceptor tactic. could have used a uber range tactic could have done it in a vulture/nighthawk solo. you also say the loot is awfull but do you realise that ammount of tags that L5 missions are aledged to drop ? those tags go towards that crazy lp your generating and could even drop direct to the market both player and npc. nm live and learn.

Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.08 16:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Mikal Drey you could have used the ceptor tactic. could have used a uber range tactic could have done it in a vulture/nighthawk solo. you also say the loot is awfull but do you realise that ammount of tags that L5 missions are aledged to drop ? those tags go towards that crazy lp your generating and could even drop direct to the market both player and npc. nm live and learn. lvl5 mission loot is so so, it's certainly no different than lvl4 loot. But there is a bit of a problem with tags...there is a huge shortage of Fed Navy Colonel I tags right now and they are used in about every module from Caldari stores. The tags are sold for 3x which really cuts into already-pathetic profits from those stores. But I agree with your post...the OP impression that missions were "easy" is certainly a deception. 3 pilots and -1 ship (with a lisk, no less) is not easy but rather poorly run.
Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.08 21:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Mikal Drey how is that "easy" easy would be 1 pilot in 1 ship doing the whole thing afk in a perma rep domi/ishtar. if it takes you 3 pilots with a dedicated rep ship (628 dps rep /s) as well as a drake (brick tanked i hope) i certainly wouldnt call that easy. you could have used the ceptor tactic. could have used a uber range tactic could have done it in a vulture/nighthawk solo. Basi reps 300 ish per rep. Buddy has Logi 5. I found that low considering the loki can rep 560 ish per rep. I'll have to look at that again to be sure thats right. Dont have the skills for NH/Vulture. Got a Rattlesnake tho. Can do almost any of them solo. We bring more to finish them faster. I said above that I dropped the loki. Brought it cause I really like the ship. Cruiser damage is less than desierable in Lvl 5s. Posted the 3 ship setup to show that people dont need a 1 bill ship to do these, or a lot of SP for NH/Vulture. Ishtar is more realistic for the average player considering the time it takes to get in 1. Never tried to say that it was the end-all-be-all. And I posted above saying that the drake went to 50% armor before the shields went back to full. And that was due to me being dumb by removing the SPRs for BCUs. Very dumb on my part. That was the only trouble we ever had. And the thing about the tags is very true. Passing on the loot is personal choice. Should have made that clearer. But as far as regualr pirate faction missions, loot is not worth it.
Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.08 22:20:00 - [13] Edited by: Kzintee on 08/03/2010 22:22:37 Well, of course you don't need a 1bil ship. The main point isn't "doing lvl5s", it's doing lvl5s efficiently. That means not soloing them in a NH/Drake filled with SPRs and rejecting any mission that is not Kin/Therm. Lvl5s are easy once you become proficient at them and you use the right tools for the job. Solo Ishtar, Drake, NH aren't right tools. You're better of farming lvl4s if that's what you're doing. A logistics alt (takes probably 1-2 weeks to train one) is a must "tool" for this job, or a carrier. Edit: I duo lvl5s in a HML Tengu and a Drake logi (no missiles). Who says cruiser DPS is not enough? I do these missions much faster than when I flew them solo in NH.
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2010.03.08 22:29:00 - [14] You forgot to mention after running these missions for a short time, a -5 faction standing clicks in. You'll need alts to do your trips to jita for the shinny stuffs, and forget droping afk auto across the map, not to mention you're corpies u'll luv ya not being able to play with them in half the empire map. Unless ofcourse you're doing pirate/drone missions only, along with the missions that drop in high sec. That being the case, you'll be lucky to pull one mission a day Having said that though (personal opinion) id say this is either a troll to get people to ruin their standings, or overloading people droping high lp items on contract lowering value. Ofcourse the agenda could just be to get people droping more lv5's in highsec to motivate ccp to swing the hammer a little bit quicker. Then again i might be wrong, if so then thanks for sharing
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.03.08 22:45:00 - [15] Too bad CCP doesn't create randomly generated missions. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Valthonis Kanan Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.08 23:05:00 - [16] Edited by: Valthonis Kanan on 08/03/2010 23:11:15 I've done easily over 50 level 5 missions to include the accompanying storyline missions. Best setup so far: - Get a high-sec mission from your low-sec level 5 agent - Log in your 3 characters. Setup an armor buffer Dominix with mission specific tank and drones. Setup 2 guardians. - Warp to mission area with Dominix, get initial agro. - Warp to mission area with the 2 Guardians, start energy transfer between them and set 1 rep to each Guardian. Set all other reps to the Dominix. (I often setup my Guardians w/2 energy transfers each in case a spawned neut tower locks a Guardian) - Pop all triggers - Put 5 RR drones from each Guardian on each other - Launch 5 Tech 2 Heavy Drones - Go AFK - Come back and loot / salvage / turn-in
Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.09 17:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Valthonis Kanan Edited by: Valthonis Kanan on 08/03/2010 23:11:15 I've done easily over 50 level 5 missions to include the accompanying storyline missions. Best setup so far: - Get a high-sec mission from your low-sec level 5 agent - Log in your 3 characters. Setup an armor buffer Dominix with mission specific tank and drones. Setup 2 guardians. - Warp to mission area with Dominix, get initial agro. - Warp to mission area with the 2 Guardians, start energy transfer between them and set 1 rep to each Guardian. Set all other reps to the Dominix. (I often setup my Guardians w/2 energy transfers each in case a spawned neut tower locks a Guardian) - Pop all triggers - Put 5 RR drones from each Guardian on each other - Launch 5 Tech 2 Heavy Drones - Go AFK - Come back and loot / salvage / turn-in Come back to find your ships dead b/c quite a few lvl5s have timed spawns.
Gambit Stryder Privateers	Posted - 2010.03.09 19:13:00 - [18] Level 5's (especially kinterm missions) are soloable in a passive ishtar. C'mon guys, you're way over thinking this.
Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.09 21:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Gambit Stryder Level 5's (especially kinterm missions) are soloable in a passive ishtar. C'mon guys, you're way over thinking this. They are soloable, but soloing lvl5s in anything but a carrier only serve the purpose of flexing one's epeen. They take too long to be cost effective at that point, esp if you're in a bad LP store with crappy ISK/LP ratio. On top of that, you're now facing the 4 hour delay every time you need to decline an Angel/Sansha/Drone mission. You're much better off (speaking from experience) doing them with 2 ships since you can do all missions, you do at least 50% more DPS (my Tengu does 700 vs your Ishtar 400-500?) and your logistic can help with some pew pew as well.
Valthonis Kanan Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.10 15:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Kzintee Originally by: Valthonis Kanan Edited by: Valthonis Kanan on 08/03/2010 23:11:15 I've done easily over 50 level 5 missions to include the accompanying storyline missions. Best setup so far: - Get a high-sec mission from your low-sec level 5 agent - Log in your 3 characters. Setup an armor buffer Dominix with mission specific tank and drones. Setup 2 guardians. - Warp to mission area with Dominix, get initial agro. - Warp to mission area with the 2 Guardians, start energy transfer between them and set 1 rep to each Guardian. Set all other reps to the Dominix. (I often setup my Guardians w/2 energy transfers each in case a spawned neut tower locks a Guardian) - Pop all triggers - Put 5 RR drones from each Guardian on each other - Launch 5 Tech 2 Heavy Drones - Go AFK - Come back and loot / salvage / turn-in Come back to find your ships dead b/c quite a few lvl5s have timed spawns. Not really. Worst thing that has happened to me is I've lost some drones. With active remote reps on all 3 ships on the field I have enough coverage to stay alive since I don't immediately AFK. What I mean in specific is I maintain energy transfers and 1 large remote rep between the Guardians with the remaining remote reps on the Dominix once I step away. I also know a majority of the level 5 missions and I always check eve-survival.org / google / personal notes before I actually start fighting. I'm rarely surprised by the content. Another reason I really like the dual guardians is that I never have to re-warp my logistics ships since they can in many cases (buffer aside) resist / signature tank a very large amount of DPS and having 2 allows me to remote rep them in the case they receive aggression. I simply just change the Dominix from auto-engaging with his drones to defending the Guardian pilot until all the NPC's on them are dead. That follows suit with others comments about tanking them in tech 3 hulls and tech 2 cruisers with a logistics support.

Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.10 17:57:00 - [21] I got more Amarr mission and refit the Loki. It is very possible to solo the Amarr missions. But the DPS is terrible. I was at maybe 350 dps. I refit the Rattlesnake for torps and an AB to boost the DPS. Hidden Enemy Base works with torps because everything gets within 35-40km. I got another Serp mission last night. When I get home I'm going to see if I can tank it in a passive Drake and use the Tempest for DPS, without RR. Rattlesnake is a great tank with decent DPS, but I like the challenge. Oh and above I said that my agent has only given me Highsec missions. My luck ran out :(
InColdBlood	Posted - 2010.03.10 18:27:00 - [22] Edited by: InColdBlood on 10/03/2010 18:28:40 I am looking for a corp / friends to try out lvl 5 with. Anyone here want a new buddy? I have gal bs5, t2 sentry/heavy drone, can do hac also
marie claude Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.10 18:45:00 - [23] fire your basi pilot mine gets 450 dps rep per large t2 rep i can run any of the ones you listed with the basi and an ishtar which is hands down the best mission boat in the game. wyrmsbane is the easy one i can solo it in an ishtar ------------------------- Quantum Fail Expansion
Valthonis Kanan Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.10 19:23:00 - [24] Originally by: marie claude fire your basi pilot mine gets 450 dps rep per large t2 rep i can run any of the ones you listed with the basi and an ishtar which is hands down the best mission boat in the game. wyrmsbane is the easy one i can solo it in an ishtar it's important to note that with cruiser 5 and battleship 5 the damage of drones alone exactly the same between the Dominix and Ishtar. Also the Dominix can mount large hybrids (6 hard points) with a bonus for added DPS over medium hybrids (3 hard points) that are a bonus for the Ishtar (which is rarely used in both cases). use a Dominix first, if you find you tank lacking switch to an Ishtar. only benefit it holds is faster base speed (in a buffer fit i ab fit my Dominix) and a stronger base to build a tank around (better base resists, smaller signature radius) how do i fit my dominix? (in a nutshell) highs: 4 rails 2 drone link augmentors mids: 100mn ab tracking computer x 2 (script usage varies on end result) cap recharger x 2 lows: 2 x 1600mm plates 4 x energized specific resist platings (mission specific, i use hardeners if neutralizers are unlikely or few) 1 x damage control drones (always swap drones to enemies weakness for fastest clear times): 5 x t2 heavies 5 x t2 sentries 10 x t2 light drones rigs: 3 x trimarks i don't use the ab to try and close to blaster range. i use it to stretch between gates or such annoyances. with the tracking computers and rails i can hit more enemies with less moving. which in turn reduces my time wasted slow boating between enemies waiting to get close enough for blasters to be realistic option.
Chigy Minmatar Sausage Banking	Posted - 2010.03.10 19:48:00 - [25] Edited by: Chigy on 10/03/2010 19:49:15 Originally by: marie claude fire your basi pilot mine gets 450 dps rep per large t2 rep i can run any of the ones you listed with the basi and an ishtar which is hands down the best mission boat in the game. wyrmsbane is the easy one i can solo it in an ishtar Still haven't checked how much each reps. He has Logi 5 (which doesn't boost the rep) and transfer 4 (also doesn't boost the rep). So whatever everyone else is getting is what he is too. So.... I'm not going to fire anyone XD Edit: WTF? I said in my second post we dropeed the Basi.... Get over it already.


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