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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: MaraudR73 on 10/03/2010 18:16:55 Everybody is complaining about it: of all faction ships the Dramiel is much too fast and/or does to much damage. we are roaming every-day with a fleet in Militia and everyday we encounter Dramiels. the Intercepters can't keep up with them to tackle them and and even with webs the dramiel always gets out. and if the dramiel shoots another frigate it is always almost instant pop. I think that no ship should be faster than an interceptor cause intercepters are here to intercept and not to be outrun by some frigate. even in fleet with 2 cruisers and 2 frigates and an Interceptor the dramiel is almost impossible to get. it is very unbalanced if you look at all the other Faction ships. So reduce the speed drastically of the Dramiel or turn down the damage by 50%
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Slade Hoo
Amarr Corpse Collection Point
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:12:00 -
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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:19:00 -
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content is added, pressed enter by mistake :P
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:24:00 -
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we only need one whine thread for each ship. please add your content here. thank you in advance.
oh and the dramiel is fine.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:29:00 -
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Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel. ___
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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever we only need one whine thread for each ship. please add your content here. thank you in advance.
oh and the dramiel is fine.
ah, so I guess youre flying one. Everybody who flies a Dramiel says it's fine because they dont want to loose their advantage. Get real, everybody knows its way too fast.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel.
or a solo tempest *rofl*
gotta love Kil2
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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel.
Yes they would, if they could actually GET IN RANGE, but thats IMPOSSIBLE because they are TOO FAST!
And everyone that posts here to say that there is nothing wrong with the Dramiel is flying one.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73
Originally by: Grarr Dexx Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel.
Yes they would, if they could actually GET IN RANGE, but thats IMPOSSIBLE because they are TOO FAST!
And everyone that posts here to say that there is nothing wrong with the Dramiel is flying one.
hint hint: if you cant catch them. let them come to you. oh and can we please move to the other thread? you can read up a lot more arguments there and we got it all in one place.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73
Originally by: Grarr Dexx Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel.
Yes they would, if they could actually GET IN RANGE, but thats IMPOSSIBLE because they are TOO FAST!
And everyone that posts here to say that there is nothing wrong with the Dramiel is flying one.
Holy **** a smart pilot isn't losing his ship cause he THINKS about what he should engage! Overpowered! ___
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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.03.10 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: MaraudR73
Originally by: Grarr Dexx Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel.
Yes they would, if they could actually GET IN RANGE, but thats IMPOSSIBLE because they are TOO FAST!
And everyone that posts here to say that there is nothing wrong with the Dramiel is flying one.
Holy **** a smart pilot isn't losing his ship cause he THINKS about what he should engage! Overpowered!
you are absolutly right! you should never engage a dramiel. Ignore them, 9 out of 10 times you wont be able to catch it. (if its a good pilot)
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Dianeces
Buttered On The Wrong Side
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Posted - 2010.03.11 00:19:00 -
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Quote: Dramiel is too overpowered.
What is the correct amount of overpoweredness, then?
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mchief117
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Posted - 2010.03.11 00:40:00 -
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ok using base stats the dramiel has a base speed of 473 MPS
a minmitar CLAW has a base speed of 475 MPS.
im not seeing what the problem is the dramiel is a faction ship that as far as i know cant be built, or at least requires rare bpc to do so.
ether way wouldnt drones with there 1,900 MPS top speeds still chew this ship up and spit it out
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2010.03.11 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73
Originally by: Grarr Dexx Instapop frigates? Have you ever actually fit a tank to your frigates? A well-fit rifter or even two would tear up a dramiel.
Yes they would, if they could actually GET IN RANGE, but thats IMPOSSIBLE because they are TOO FAST!
And everyone that posts here to say that there is nothing wrong with the Dramiel is flying one.
Sooooo.... you're point of view is that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically biased, and couldn't possibly have any reasonable opinion. Good one.
I think I'll start my own thread... let's everyone presume I'm absolutely right on everything, and anyone who disagrees is either biased or stupid. Discuss!
Let me know how that little world of yours works out for you. Seems a pretty place to be the owner, but sooner or later the real world has to crash into the insane one.
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ThaDollaGenerale
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.11 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73
ah, so I guess youre flying one. Everybody who flies a Dramiel says it's fine because they dont want to loose their advantage. Get real, everybody knows its way too fast.
OH HAI THIS IS THE NANO NERF CALLING. I MISSED YOU TOO.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente Gangrel Mining and Security
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Posted - 2010.03.11 05:38:00 -
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If there is one kind of post that by default gives me the screeming heebeejeebies it's the "nerf this feature" post. There is too much of [whatever], nerf it! I can't handle [this], nerf it! [This] shouldn't be able to do [that], nerf it!
How about we turn EVE into eternal lala land filled with rubber balls and hershey kisses. Every lock on is a baby's giggle, every impact paints a Hello Kitty sticker on the hull for 5 seconds and when you get podded, you end up in a lovely foamy bathtub with angels and cherubs swarming around with flutes and harps, playing a heavenly song.
Adapt, improvise, overcome or jezus christ almighty: go back to WoW!
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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.03.11 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: MaraudR73 on 11/03/2010 11:40:51 EVE is all about balance! and the Dramiel is out of balance. so there it is. We were attacking a dramiel in 5 km range with 2 cruisers a frigate and an interceptor and we were not able to hit it because it went to fast and he killed all 4 of us. and is that balance to you?
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Dianeces
Buttered On The Wrong Side
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Posted - 2010.03.11 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73 Edited by: MaraudR73 on 11/03/2010 11:40:51 EVE is all about balance! and the Dramiel is out of balance. so there it is. We were attacking a dramiel in 5 km range with 2 cruisers a frigate and an interceptor and we were not able to hit it because it went to fast and he killed all 4 of us. and is that balance to you?
A player of what appears to be average to above average intelligence killed four idiots. Seems balanced to me.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.11 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73 Edited by: MaraudR73 on 11/03/2010 11:40:51 EVE is all about balance! and the Dramiel is out of balance. so there it is. We were attacking a dramiel in 5 km range with 2 cruisers a frigate and an interceptor and we were not able to hit it because it went to fast and he killed all 4 of us. and is that balance to you?
was his name Prozacxx maybe?
other people are able to solo kill dramiels with battleships and battlecruiser and you are not able to kill 1 with 4 people?=) I think Dianeces hit the nail.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.03.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: MaraudR73 I think that no ship should be faster than an interceptor cause intercepters are here to intercept and not to be outrun by some frigate.
And Angel ships are here to be the fastest of them all.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.03.11 13:00:00 -
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yes, dramiel ist overpowered and requires a nerf. You cant catch it, if a dramiel is on the battlefield usually its better to leave it alone because you wont catch it anyways in the most cases but you will probably loose interceptors trying to catch them.
This reminds me on the nano-ships in the past, things which you better should leave alone are wrong in eve.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.03.11 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 11/03/2010 13:05:56 Even if all four ships were lol-fit and two pilots were AFK, the fact that one ship can engage all and not only live but actually win proves that something is out of whack. Hell, the fact that he even engages in the first place proves the point.
Originally by: DuKackBoon And Angel ships are here to be the fastest of them all.
They are also supposed to do sod all damage and die when looked at funny .. how is that working out?
- Remove all hints of damage/tracking bonuses. - Remove fittings until it is impossible to use dual-prop + buffer + guns unless extreme pimp or fitting mods are used. - Set cap to 250 base, or lower even. Matar AFs can run semi-effective active tanks with that amount, no reason in hell why Dramiel should have almost twice that.
That is an Angel interceptor. If you want an Angel combat ship you use Guardian Angel surplus.
Edit: Yay, a new Dramiel thread \o/
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.11 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Edit: Yay, a new Dramiel thread \o/
you were supposed to tell him that we dont need another thread on the same topic and that the dramiel indeed is overpowered :p
that worked so nicely last time^^
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.03.11 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Edit: Yay, a new Dramiel thread \o/
you were supposed to tell him that we dont need another thread on the same topic and that the dramiel indeed is overpowered :p
that worked so nicely last time^^
Yeah, but I figured since he ignored you he would ignore me as well .. and I don't like being ignored
Derail: Where the bloody hell are my revamped AFs and buffed ROCKS!!!!!!
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Majuan Shuo
Sons Of 0din
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Posted - 2010.03.11 14:40:00 -
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I for one welcome our new Dramiel overlords.
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Dianeces
Buttered On The Wrong Side
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Posted - 2010.03.11 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Even if all four ships were lol-fit and two pilots were AFK, the fact that one ship can engage all and not only live but actually win proves that something is out of whack. Hell, the fact that he even engages in the first place proves the point.
No, all it proves is that the OP and his buddies have zero brain function; because that is the only way two cruisers, an interceptor and a frigate will all die to a lone Dramiel. If I attack a two BS, a HAC and a T1 cruiser in a Recon, does it prove the Recon is overpowered? Didn't think so.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
- Remove all hints of damage/tracking bonuses. - Remove fittings until it is impossible to use dual-prop + buffer + guns unless extreme pimp or fitting mods are used. - Set cap to 250 base, or lower even. Matar AFs can run semi-effective active tanks with that amount, no reason in hell why Dramiel should have almost twice that.
Ostensibly, this thread is about "balancing" the Dramiel. Clearly though, you would rather just make it completely useless instead.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.03.11 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Even if all four ships were lol-fit and two pilots were AFK, the fact that one ship can engage all and not only live but actually win proves that something is out of whack. Hell, the fact that he even engages in the first place proves the point.
No, all it proves is that the OP and his buddies have zero brain function; because that is the only way two cruisers, an interceptor and a frigate will all die to a lone Dramiel.
I agree. The OP is clueless.
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