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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:10:00 -
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In my view its a step in the right direction, all that needs to happen now is concord payouts dropped by at least half again and we will be in a workable state IMHO
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DJWiggles In my view its a step in the right direction, all that needs to happen now is concord payouts dropped by at least half again and we will be in a workable state IMHO
No. An increase in ganks (especially against miners) when mineral prices drop below insurance rats is just another way for the market to find a balance û that mechanism should not be touched.
As I said it SHOULD be dropped so that if you lose a ship you have something going towards getting a replacement, if its at the hands of the police/concord you SHOULD get nothing as you are a criminal, this is how it happens in real insurance cases.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DJWiggles this is how it happens in real insurance cases.
Irrelevant. EVE insurance has nothing to do with real insurance.
Well I know this BUT we can also say the market has nothing to do with real life ... oh wait it does supply and demand. All I know is that there will be MANY pirate tears over this.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: DJWiggles
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DJWiggles this is how it happens in real insurance cases.
Irrelevant. EVE insurance has nothing to do with real insurance.
Well I know this BUT we can also say the market has nothing to do with real life ... oh wait it does supply and demand. All I know is that there will be MANY pirate tears over this.
Think of the backslash when CCP trashes the idead
Maybe they will be maybe not BUT at least I will have something to talk about on the radio :D
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Tippia Or, more likely: insurance 100% removed = less reason to mine = more reason to run missions for your ISK = more ISK seeded = mineral value decreases even further = less reason to mineā
Fair logic, assuming the "less reason to mine" holds true - keep in mind ships still require minerals to be built. Yes there will be less of a demand as people wont be ganking freighters on a whim.
Even if the mineral market crashed off this, so what. I didn't complain about the scanning mechanics being changed, and it 'crashed' scanning related items like you wouldn't believe. That was my income before the improvements came to the scanning system. Everything exploration dive bombed in prices when the change came. My income was cut into 1/3 - I adapted and I enjoy the improvements, I didn't complain because it MADE THE GAME BETTER even if it was not good for me.
THIS ^^
That is what I think a lot of people will forget is that eve is a MMO and not a single player game. With changes there will always be haters and lovers of the changes, its like RL you adapt or you stop.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: SweetHoney
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Tippia Or, more likely: insurance 100% removed = less reason to mine = more reason to run missions for your ISK = more ISK seeded = mineral value decreases even further = less reason to mineā
Fair logic, assuming the "less reason to mine" holds true - keep in mind ships still require minerals to be built. Yes there will be less of a demand as people wont be ganking freighters on a whim.
Even if the mineral market crashed off this, so what. I didn't complain about the scanning mechanics being changed, and it 'crashed' scanning related items like you wouldn't believe. That was my income before the improvements came to the scanning system. Everything exploration dive bombed in prices when the change came. My income was cut into 1/3 - I adapted and I enjoy the improvements, I didn't complain because it MADE THE GAME BETTER even if it was not good for me.
I don't think anybody was whining about this change ... Getting all the T1 ships 40% cheaper ... can be good for the game , will see.
atm the cost to build is the same in mats, its just a drop in payouts, yes it would be nice to have a 40% cost drop BUT that would then take all the money out of production
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.15 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Aera Aiana
Originally by: Zewron 7 pages and no feedback from Chribba on this?
He's probably still looking for words that don't get him banned ;)
5 minute posting rules and I haven't been able to dock my titans yet to upgrade the insurance so I haven't bothered to look into it all
But what do wonder about the whole insurance thing is why CCP steps in to change it, I haven't really put my mind into it all, but how I understood it - it is actually players selling ships for less than mineral cost, making the cost+insurance payout result in profit.
Changing insurance won't make a difference if everyone started to produce ships for 50% of mineral cost, I mean it's the dynamic market and the whole "minerals is free" concept, or did I not get the point of all this? Like I said, I never really put my mind into it all. And MY minerals are free
confirmed i want to touch chribba minerals
Can i play too?
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.15 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Malakai Draevyn 3. Self Destructed Ships should get zero insurance payout. "You have voided the terms of your insurance contract by detonating it in space." After all, you don't get insurance if you recycle / trash your ship hull, do you ?
āand with that, you remove the whole reason we have insurance to begin with.
well if you do that in real life (yes i know im talking about real life again) you have broken the terms of the contract there for its invalid ... insurance should be there BUT have limits, that is just my view.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.15 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DJWiggles well if you do that in real life (yes i know im talking about real life again) you have broken the terms of the contract there for its invalid ... insurance should be there BUT have limits, that is just my view.
āand that's why RL is irrelevant: it doesn't serve the same purpose and the two have nearly nothing in common apart from the name.
If you add those kinds of limits, you might as well remove insurance entirely because it no longer serves any purpose in the game.
why remove it ... it WILL serve a purpose, just to the rules you have to ad-hear to. We all know most of the People QQing over this change are worried about there "income" but meh, PLAY EVE dont afk
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