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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar al-Syal Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.14 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 14/03/2010 19:45:52
I'm making this post to ask if anyone has experienced this or something like it, First I started trading in a missioning & manufacturing system that seems to have little competition on one of my alts that i was grinding standing.
and had a large sell order of recently purchased objects over the past month i put up, trying to stay vague for a reason. and a bulk buy order in the same system. about 20% lower than the selling price was making ok profits. and the other day, I had a mass buy out of all my stock by one character, then the buy order was fully filled with nearly the same name character, selling back to me with in 10mins and taking a loss...
I noticed this as I was on the character at the time and updating market orders & grinding missions for standings i noticed about 20mins after it happened, and docked at the station, both where docked, so I refreshed my sell order reposting the items and updating my buy order. and ... about 15mins later same thing.... every one of my items was purchased. so I undocked.
What do i see, the two character in bestowers undocking and they warped to a planet, so I followed and convod the buyer of my items and confronted them that of what i suspected. they did not speak very good English but i got sense he/she wanted to pay me off or hire me or recruit me, my question is, would I be doing anything wrong to make a few billion by just being told where to place buy orders / sell orders for items and making 25% off the top ?
What i suspect they are doing is using dirty characters, or something to dump/eject products at planets and pick up with another to sell and be untraceable ? I don't know why. but it sounds fishy to me. But if i took part would I be really liable? and why where they not just doing it in jita or something, also seems kind dumb to buy & sell to the same middle man, maybe this was a noob trying to launder isk??
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.03.14 20:03:00 -
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I guess your post is a rhetorical question (to demonstrate your innocence before GMs?).
The only reasonable answer to it is: if you think something is fishy, write a petition and stay away from it.
Of course one can argue that there are different shades of grey on the markets - if you trade in implants, faction items, ... you are likely to make business with some botters or RMTers - and you may argue whether you really should write a petition every single time a new character with a gibberish name and standings with lvl1 courier agents dumps a stockload of implants on your buyorders (or if this just clogs up the petition queues).
But at the point where it comes to making direct business arrangements with suspected RMTers the situation does imho not leave much room for arguments or discussion.
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar al-Syal Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.14 21:09:00 -
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Don't know, just wondered if anyone seen this type of ISK laundering before and methods used, i mean its a text book case how not to do it. and i will be staying away from it even if i could make some good isk, think offer was shallow to just draw attention away / bribe me or something i dont know, but wondered if anyones gotten in trouble for being in such a position too.
I'm currently at war with three 1 man macro corps, 2 month old characters with 9.00 faction standing so i in no way wanna deal with them, they where running missions 23/7 till war dec: jncvb Corp , ceo jncvb , kbnfk Corp , ceo kbnfk , khdjh Corp , ceo khdjh
And no not my vagabond, could it been a probe? I ejected from one near that system to check out a POS and forgot to BM lol, and ended up clone jumping out, so got my jump clones in stain, delve and providence now. No killmail yet for that ship so must still be out there, maybe someone named their ship with my name :P
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.03.14 23:01:00 -
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For some reason the words "isk laundering" always remind me of a certain CNR seller, don't know why....
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Toroidal Bum-Donuts
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Posted - 2010.03.14 23:09:00 -
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making isk from RMTers (or those you suspect to be) is a thin line, alot of what they do is totally legal afterall, not your fault if you happen to be involved in part of the chain of isk is it, or having had dealings with them? 'cos then tons of people would be in the s**t :P
There is isk to be made though, they often sell in bulk for somewhat less than market prices on faction/deadspace modules, and I know for sure buying off them is totally legal - they ain't getting these modules via macros and it's not your fault they RMT the isk.
if they tell you they RMT though, run away, as fast as you can, and report them.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.03.14 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa
if they tell you they RMT though, run away, as fast as you can, and report them.
Just for arguments sake, do you HAVE to report them? or just morally obligatory? (cause we all know rmt is eval)
Aside from this i think there's nothing wrong with putting up some buy/sell orders.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.14 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 14/03/2010 23:34:36
Originally by: clixoras
Originally by: Taua Roqa
if they tell you they RMT though, run away, as fast as you can, and report them.
Just for arguments sake, do you HAVE to report them? or just morally obligatory? (cause we all know rmt is eval)
RMTer gets banned. RMTer sends a mail to CCP saying I told XYZ I RMT, check out his wallet transactions between me and him. CCP beats XYZ with the banhammer for stupidity.
You would be an idiot not to petition him if he told you.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.03.15 00:08:00 -
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Moving ISK like this to avoid direct wallet transactions with another individual doesn't always have to do with RMT.
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ITSAssassin
Royal Manufacturing and Blueprint Enterprises Bar-None Nation
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Posted - 2010.03.15 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Moving ISK like this to avoid direct wallet transactions with another individual doesn't always have to do with RMT.
You would know Riethe. Transferring assets to an alt so you can get them startup cash in order to scam again. Everything you say is related to a scam. FACT
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.03.15 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste For some reason the words "isk laundering" always remind me of a certain CNR seller, don't know why....
You mean the one who once posted he was worth 3 trillion?
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.16 08:57:00 -
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I've noticed similar behaviour with one of my trader alts last week, couldn't fathom it at the time, but that explanation makes sense.
I noticed my buys had been filled on a slow moving expensive item, worried about my escrow exposure on that character, I quickly went about setting up the items for resale, and noticed a lot of the other sells, including mine where taken. My wallet was fine even health from the mark-up. I breathed a sigh of relief and investigated to figure out what was going on and perhaps profit from it.
My sells had been bought out by a long standing named character, later a young gobbledy-**** character filled my buys (and presumably the rest of the buys). Couldn't work out why. In the end just posted new buys with an increased margin, but nothing similar has happened since.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.03.16 09:04:00 -
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Don't listen to anyone else in this thread, you should totally go for a cut of the profits on this scheme.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2010.03.16 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Companion Trollin Don't listen to anyone else in this thread, you should totally go for a cut of the profits on this scheme.
Or do that, but then start a thread in MD that you know will be read by administrators, "accidentally" dropping your new "friends" in it and thus proving your innocence, while pocketing large amounts of cash hoping no-one notices.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:53:00 -
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Just to reiterate, you should totally get involved in this - there's no possible way this could go wrong.
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