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Lord Meltdown
Caldari New Eden Company
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Posted - 2010.03.15 01:49:00 -
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The bpos are WORKING AS INTENDED. The only thing a t2 bpo is more and a lesser volume, when an account geared for invention and production of the invented bpcs is MORE profitable than the bpo when done right.
They don't need changing, stfu with the t2 bpo ideas already.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.15 04:09:00 -
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crai more missy
Anyway the "working as intended" argument fails since they stopped making T2 BPOs before they stopped creating T2 craft. Either the original intention is considered a mistake or they are not working as intended(probably the former.)
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sheial Tarlien
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.15 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Meltdown Edited by: Lord Meltdown on 15/03/2010 01:56:21 The bpos are WORKING AS INTENDED. The only thing a t2 bpo is more profit per item at a lesser volume, when an account geared for invention and production of the invented bpcs is MORE profitable than the bpo when done right.
They don't need changing, stfu with the t2 bpo ideas already
Edit: fixed
Cool story bro! Take a closer look at whats going on in t2 ship industry and reconsider
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar al-Syal Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.15 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 15/03/2010 06:11:52
Invention just makes it harder to compete even if it builds at less cost theres still hundreds of people inventing and flooding markets, most t2 bpo owners who are smart moved to 0.0 outposts for the .50% modifyer, they can build twice as much in those factory's in 0.0 outposts, mostly good for ship bpo's.
Look at cap recharger II's before invention, 20-24mil each unit, now you can invent and build at 50% higher cost cause invention & low ME but still brought the price floor down. especially on those who spent billions way back in 2004-2006 to get t2 rackets going, crows...? Russians had 6 out of 8 known bpo's and controlled the price firmly, when they nerfed the raptor i was able to buy bpo for 600m from one and found out :P
off topic: you never put out fires in your MD post, you all talk bro? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1281173
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.15 06:15:00 -
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New BPO's aren't available because CCP thought something was broken or unbalanced. Period. So the invention system was created, which I think is unbalanced, but whatever. Remove BPO's? That's dumb... limit their use? That's unfair. Make them more prone to damage if some boob is transporting them and gets attacked?
Life is a b!tch, ain't it?
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Wu Marusyn
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Posted - 2010.03.15 11:11:00 -
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Many thanks to the OP for bringing this issue up once more.
T2 BPOs represent a major advantage against T2 inventors and manufacturers. It's not only their ME and PE qualities compared to the petty -4 ME of the invented BPcs. T2 BPO owners do not get involved in the process of invention in order to get their lines going and they have better margins since they are not using any datacores.
I strongly believe that T2 BPOs should be either removed or made available to everyone (new and old players). Of course I remember recently a pod pilot threw in the idea of making the ME and PE qualities of the invented T2 BPCs depend on the qualities of the T1 BPC that was used for the invention. This is a great idea, even though it does not balance the datacore value loss of the failed inventions. Maybe a nice idea would be to be able to recover the datacores in case of a successful invention.
I've read recently that there is a possibility that the T2 BPOs are going to get the nerf bat. Therefore I expect to see the results of this in the market.
Nevertheless, it is striking that whenever someone is posting supporting the T2 BPOs is usually a T2 BPO owner. We all know why....
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Carniflex
StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.15 11:52:00 -
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Nothing stops the T2 BPO owner also doing the invention. In items where invention is not profitable however this is bcos the T2 BPO can already cover the demand for them.
Invention is not competing against T2 BPO's - invention is just filling the demand that T2 BPO's cant fulfill.
So in that sense T2 BPO's are still the isk printing machines. They are ofc not anymore the pure fountains of liquid isk they used to be, but still a bad thing to have in game. An artificial 'elite' club, bone to the guys who got there 'first' and had a bit of luck.
It would be same as limiting planetary interaction to X slots per planet and first come first serve without any in game way to take it over unless current owner sells you 'slot'. Or like old laboratory system was with static 'slots' you could hoard.
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Jitawhore1
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Posted - 2010.03.15 11:58:00 -
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I think you guys totally fail at grasping why t2 invention was made by ccp back in the days.
It has not so much about only t2 bpos to do. nuff said
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.15 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jita*****1 I think you guys totally fail at grasping why t2 invention was made by ccp back in the days.
It has not so much about only t2 bpos to do. nuff said
I think you are confused and deluded. It has no so much about only what you said. nuff said
Thanks for the cool trick. I think I can use this in every thread.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:30:00 -
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Hey I heard there would be upset non t2 bpo holders in here claiming and whining how unfair it was for guys to dedicate years and years of their time and investments to get these assets. Thread has delivered.
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tehsuxOr
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: tehsuxOr on 15/03/2010 16:36:36
Child: Mommy some mean man spent years working hard to buy himself an investment to make himself money, what do I do!!!
Mother: Sweetheart work hard and you can earn enough money to get your own investment.
Child: Mommy but I`m lazy!!! What do I do.
Mother: Well sweetheart you can whine and complain until you get your way and people hand you things for crying.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness Hey I heard there would be upset non t2 bpo holders in here claiming and whining how unfair it was for guys to dedicate years and years of their time and investments to get these assets. Thread has delivered.
Hey I heard there would be upset t2 bpo holders in here claiming and whining how t2 bpos should be the only item in EVE that aren't subject to changes in game mechanics. Thread has delivered.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.03.15 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Meltdown
when an account geared for invention and production of the invented bpcs is MORE profitable than the bpo when done right.
If this were true, then the holders would be all like, "meh, makes no real difference one way or the other."
For me, the violent emotion in your post indicates that your assertion is simply not true.
I think the holders are sitting on little gold mines, and they know it, and this is why they react with such emotion when it is mentioned. "Take away my gold mine? You better STFU!"
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.15 20:40:00 -
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Quote: Hey I heard there would be upset t2 bpo holders in here claiming and whining how t2 bpos should be the only item in EVE that aren't subject to changes in game mechanics. Thread has delivered.
lies.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.15 20:56:00 -
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Quote: I think the holders are sitting on little gold mines, and they know it, and this is why they react with such emotion when it is mentioned. "Take away my gold mine? You better STFU!"
they are alot simpler to use to make your isk. Invention requires more effort but you don't need 30 billion isk to make an item/items either now do you.
As someone that has alot of them let me focus an explanation as easily as I can so you and the rest of the babies can understand.
I have a toy truck company that can only make one toy truck of a certain type.
You have a personal buisness that can make my style toy trucks or any other style.
I make 100 toy trucks a month.
You are ****ed and want to make those toy trucks as easily as I do cause 100 a month is alot for your small buisness. You found out I paid 30 billion for my company but you could care less cause you being ****ed makes it fair. You scream to the better buisness bureau to shut me down because my buisness is not fair.
All the while you never realized that not only could you have invested the time and energy(like I did to get my buisness) in making more of not only my trucks but other variations as well.
You see, if you can, you have to invest time and energy and NOT isk into you ventures to make toy trucks where as my time and energy went into aquiring the buisness itself so I could produce a set amount of toy trucks easier.
Screwing with my toy truck buisness at this stage in the game means I lose out on all the goals I set and accomplished so you can be rest assured I'm going to fight the whiners pretty hard to save my toy truck buisness from the better buisness bureau erm I mean ccp. |
LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness As someone that has alot of them let me focus an explanation as easily as I can so you and the rest of the babies can understand.
I can only assume that your definition of "whiner" is anyone that disagrees with you. Or perhaps, it is anyone that suggests your competative advantage should be removed from the game.
As for calling me a baby, I'm a 43 year old grandfather.
Resorting to ad hominum attack... that is, attacking the person rather than his opinion, is a sure sign you have no valid counter argument.
Simple truth is that the very limited nature of T2 BPOs places a select few at a competative advantage and others at a competative disadvantage. This is not a whine, it is pointing out a fact. While this happens all the time in real life, I would prefer it not to exist in a game.
Am I going to emo rage quit if CCP does not fix this? Of course not.
Is it my opinion that the T2 BPOs should be removed from the game? Yes. That isn't whining, it is simply stating an opinion.
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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: ZeeOhSix on 15/03/2010 23:36:59 Edited by: ZeeOhSix on 15/03/2010 23:36:26 I have to admit that I don't get all the complaining about it; seems like it's howling at the moon. CCP will change it, or they won't. Figure out another way to make ISK..I think there are at least a few
When the going gets tough, the tough get going...to where the going's easier! The business of EVE is business!
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Bluebeard
Minmatar LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:45:00 -
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I haven't got a State Issue Raven CCP only issued 1 or 2 of them and then stopped. (This proves that they were released as a mistake) These ships are literally worth 100s of billions of isk.
I demand that CCP remove these ships from the people that won or bought them, or make them freely available on the market.
Have I missed anything ?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bluebeard .
Have I missed anything ?
But the fact that you missed it after all that was said implies that you can not be helped.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 16/03/2010 00:39:48
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Simple truth is that the very limited nature of T2 BPOs places a select few at a competative advantage and others at a competative disadvantage.
First of all, it's a demonstrable fact that whatever genuine advantage exists is marginal, at best. The BPOs are more a matter of convenience.
Secondly, you say this like it's a bad thing. Your argument could be applied to literally anything in Eve that is rare and exorbitantly expensive. Go on, try it:
"Simple truth is that the very limited nature of officer modules places a select few at a competative [sic] advantage and others at a competative [sic] disadvantage."
"Simple truth is that the very limited nature of titans places a select few at a competative [sic] advantage and others at a competative [sic] disadvantage."
"Simple truth is that the very limited nature of rarity 64 moons places a select few at a competative [sic] advantage and others at a competative [sic] disadvantage."
What, precisely, is your point? That's how MMOs work! People spend time and resources to gain a small advantage over other players through the acquisition of rare and valuable items. Big deal. The advantage, in this case, is pretty minimal, and as a non-BPO holding producer, I do not feel substantially disadvantaged at all.
Do you actually DO any production? If you have any sense, it takes about five minutes a day to pretty much print your own ISK. Suck it up.
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Revolution Rising
R I S E Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Revolution Rising on 16/03/2010 00:44:48 Edited by: Revolution Rising on 16/03/2010 00:42:52 Yeah without moons or BPO's, you can't make t2 ships at any kind of profit.
t2 modules seem to be a good earner tho.
Why this disparity ?
If people are saying there's no proof, you only have to go to the XN7 site and check out the build costs and profits there. Takes all of 5 minutes.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:44:00 -
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I say **** invention, and t2 bpos for everyone! just put them on the market, we need more isk sinks and stuff.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Revolution Rising Edited by: Revolution Rising on 16/03/2010 00:42:52 Yeah without moons or BPO's, you can't make t2 ships at any kind of profit.
t2 modules seem to be a good earner tho.
Why this disparity ?
You can most definitely build ships for profit without a BPO. Not necessarily all of them, but it can be done. Do math, use decryptors.
Also, some of those "can't-be-invented-for-any-significant-profit" ships are already invention only. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage MACHI MISCHIEF
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Posted - 2010.03.16 01:49:00 -
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Oh, this thread again.
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Shivarie
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Posted - 2010.03.16 03:36:00 -
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industrial tears, yummy,
I do not own, nor have access to a t2 bpo. I would like to. I, however, cannot afford one. Please help me? buy Grendells lottery tickets for me, or just make a donation of one/many.
I am not in favor of removing them. One day I wish to own one. Not for the isk faucet (which it is not any more) but for the isk stream, (which it is currently). They can turn nice profits, even if they are vastly outproduced by inventions, so I would like one.
I really cant understand people who would want to remove shinys from the game. seems sort of petty.
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FYAD Terrorist
Caldari COR3. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Jovialmadness As someone that has alot of them let me focus an explanation as easily as I can so you and the rest of the babies can understand.
I can only assume that your definition of "whiner" is anyone that disagrees with you. Or perhaps, it is anyone that suggests your competative advantage should be removed from the game.
As for calling me a baby, I'm a 43 year old grandfather.
Resorting to ad hominum attack... that is, attacking the person rather than his opinion, is a sure sign you have no valid counter argument.
Simple truth is that the very limited nature of T2 BPOs places a select few at a competative advantage and others at a competative disadvantage. This is not a whine, it is pointing out a fact. While this happens all the time in real life, I would prefer it not to exist in a game.
Am I going to emo rage quit if CCP does not fix this? Of course not.
Is it my opinion that the T2 BPOs should be removed from the game? Yes. That isn't whining, it is simply stating an opinion.
lol
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Void Kraken
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Posted - 2010.03.16 08:26:00 -
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OP is just scared to lose his belove T2 BPOs.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.16 08:43:00 -
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What if T2 BPOs were available on the market for prices close to their current market value (Say: 100B for Recon ship BPO, or 10B for a large T2 ammo BPO).
It would solve the problem of T2 BPO owners investments going up in smoke.
But would this stop the whining? Or would people still whine that they are unfair and too expensive?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.16 09:50:00 -
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Quote:
But would this stop the whining? Or would people still whine that they are unfair and too expensive?
Whining is the real oldest human profession. Whining will still be done after the Judgement Day.
There has always been and will forever be a "reason" to whine.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jita*****1 It has not so much about only t2 bpos to do. nuff said
"nuff said"? Hardly. What you said makes no sense, please use more/different words to help us understand your drivel. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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