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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:01:00 -
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I get that the differences between originals and copies werent originally coded well(Im not talking about T2).
I understand that science and industry were developed before corp facilities existed.
BUT THE GAME IS 7 YEARS OLD!
If you can develop flowing clothing, a vampire game and a an FPS you can fix the core of the the game that supports everything else.
The current system is a mess. Corp industry and science are so poorly designed that most corps only let a tiny percentage of use facilities for security and reasons and the general head ache of meta gaming required to keep track of resource transfers.
Most players that want to do science and industry just start a side corp with 1 or 2 friends simply to avoid the whole meta gaming headache of keeping track of stuff.
We call them corps but ironically they are guilds and defense forces in function because the game offers no mechanism for BOOK KEEPING - the true basis of all business.
Seriously CCP you need bit the bullet, commit some resources and fix the core of EVE.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Seriously CCP you need bit the bullet, commit some resources and fix the core of EVE.
They are already working on reducing lag in fleet fights, there's no need to keep yelling at them.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Ghoest Seriously CCP you need bit the bullet, commit some resources and fix the core of EVE.
They are already working on reducing lag in fleet fights, there's no need to keep yelling at them.
You clearly bought the Faith Skillbook and trained it straight to level 5. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest If you can develop flowing clothing, a vampire game and a an FPS you can fix the core of the the game that supports everything else.
Yeah, like the devs on Vampire, Incarna and Dust all know how to handle the code for the industry aspects of EVE....
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
Originally by: Ghoest If you can develop flowing clothing, a vampire game and a an FPS you can fix the core of the the game that supports everything else.
Yeah, like the devs on Vampire, Incarna and Dust all know how to handle the code for the industry aspects of EVE....
I was waiting for this response and its slight of hand crap.
I no where suggested that. The resources is money. Thats what hires people.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest If you can develop flowing clothing, a vampire game and a an FPS you can fix the core of the the game that supports everything else.
No, you see… the former is something that they can do with the help of dedicated hardware on the client end without impacting the game much, and where the hardware manufacturer, external code libraries and a crapton of middleware will help. The former, by contrast, is very very hard and very dangerous to fiddle with…
——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
We call them corps but ironically they are guilds and defense forces
i fail to see the problem here lol
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Ghoest Seriously CCP you need bit the bullet, commit some resources and fix the core of EVE.
They are already working on reducing lag in fleet fights, there's no need to keep yelling at them.
You clearly bought the Faith Skillbook and trained it straight to level 5.
I think he was being sarcastic.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:05:00 -
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I wondered about that. I almost flamed him then decided I had no idea what he intended.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Feone
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:14:00 -
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Simple, neither one of those fixes will draw in more accounts like graphics or other shiny things. What you want is for people who already play the game and since it is 'old' and workable it isn't a priority.
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Salyan
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
Originally by: Ghoest [...]a vampire game [...]
Yeah, like the devs on Vampire, [...]
Wait what? What vampire game???
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Oh my.. Didn't know: Linkage
That web site looks like it is from 10 years ago
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Feone Simple, neither one of those fixes will draw in more accounts like graphics or other shiny things. What you want is for people who already play the game and since it is 'old' and workable it isn't a priority.
If that's truly how they feel, it's a shame. The word polish has become synonymous with quality for games these days. If they don't do every last thing as well as they can, another company will.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:38:00 -
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I'd be more happy to be able to select multiple copies and do the same action on them all (queued) rather than having to click each one at a time...
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Feone Simple, neither one of those fixes will draw in more accounts like graphics or other shiny things. What you want is for people who already play the game and since it is 'old' and workable it isn't a priority.
If that's truly how they feel, it's a shame. The word polish has become synonymous with quality for games these days. If they don't do every last thing as well as they can, another company will.
Poland is putting out good games now? ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest I get that the differences between originals and copies werent originally coded well(Im not talking about T2).
There's simply no difference. Every blueprint is unique item. GTFO please. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Ghoest I get that the differences between originals and copies werent originally coded well(Im not talking about T2).
There's simply no difference. Every blueprint is unique item. GTFO please.
Please be a pompus twit elsewhere. You just said i was wrong then agreed with me but added more detail. |
Nimbat
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Poland is putting out good games now?
I thought Call of Juarez (2) was a good game. It's made by Polish people. |
harogen
Techno Vikings
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Posted - 2010.03.18 23:43:00 -
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Just give up dude. Industry has always gotten the short end of the eve stick because they know we aren't going anywhere. We are the type of player that adapts and usually doesn't whine that much. It isn't much of a sikrit anymore that the base code that drives eve is ugly at best.
Just look at the market side of things. To a normal player, it goes unnoticed. But to all the people that care about playing the market, its a knife in the side that is only numbed by undercutting someone .01 isk every 5 minutes.
But that's how it works IRL yo!! err wait a minute.. |
Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.03.18 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Ghoest Seriously CCP you need bit the bullet, commit some resources and fix the core of EVE.
They are already working on reducing lag in fleet fights, there's no need to keep yelling at them.
You clearly bought the Faith Skillbook and trained it straight to level 5.
Hahah.
Also, the OP is right. CCP totally ignores a lot of broken parts of this game, and the corp interface, along with BPO management, is one of them. |
Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.19 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 19/03/2010 00:26:10
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Ghoest Seriously CCP you need bit the bullet, commit some resources and fix the core of EVE.
They are already working on reducing lag in fleet fights, there's no need to keep yelling at them.
You clearly bought the Faith Skillbook and trained it straight to level 5.
Hahah.
Also, the OP is right. CCP totally ignores a lot of broken parts of this game, and the corp interface, along with BPO management, is one of them.
Well, just about every interface element sucks. Trying to do a simple task as filtering the LP store the other day was so fiddly and time consuming I burst out laughing. And of course how many have accidentally selected cancel order instead of amend?
The problem is the people using the UI (including many of us) are so used to it's quirks we think it's normal. The game clearly is made as a series of modules with no thought, quality control, basic UI design considerations or consistency given when the modules UI was cobbled together to run it. It's like a UI designed by a committee of incompetents. I'm being serious when I say the UI in games on my old ZX81 were better. I was actually going to do a list but realised it would run to thousands of issues. Rather than keep patching it up it needs a complete rewrite from the ground up, which may well be almost impossible to do. |
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Miati Leekon
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Posted - 2010.03.21 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero You clearly bought the Faith Skillbook and trained it straight to level 5.
Worthy of instant recognition in the "famous quotes" section of the EVE-0-pedia.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.03.21 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 21/03/2010 02:44:31
Originally by: Miati Leekon
Originally by: Blane Xero You clearly bought the Faith Skillbook and trained it straight to level 5.
Worthy of instant recognition in the "famous quotes" section of the EVE-0-pedia.
Seconded.
I also want CCP to cook supper for me tonight.
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Skavirr
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Posted - 2010.03.21 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nimbat
Originally by: Ranger 1
Poland is putting out good games now?
I thought Call of Juarez (2) was a good game. It's made by Polish people.
Also The Witcher and Painkiller.
We'll gloss over Two Worlds....
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ghosttr
Amarr Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.21 06:24:00 -
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All those things would be nice, and I do agree that the market and industry side of the game could use an overhaul.
But the entire game is based on this system, its not like pvp where people can live with borked mechanics for a few months. If they break the market, eve itself is ****ed.
Not only that a market overhaul wont bring all that many people, so its alot of risk, and little reward.
So sadly i dont see ccp touching this element of the game unless its absolutly necessary.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.21 06:33:00 -
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If I got 1 isk for every time someone complained about ccp, I prolly could afford to break Molle's titan loss record by now. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two. |
Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2010.03.21 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr If they break the market, eve itself is ****ed.
Yes, too bad they don't have some sort of separate system where they can try new stuff without it ever touching the real eve. Something like a test server where people could go and try things to see if they're good. Of course, that would require them to have multiple separate copies of source code as well. I wonder why no one ever thought of that...
(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. All that exists right now, all that is missing is the intention to actually fix things. But good stuff doesn't sell, shiny stuff does. So shiny gets all the resources...) |
Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.21 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: ghosttr If they break the market, eve itself is ****ed.
Yes, too bad they don't have some sort of separate system where they can try new stuff without it ever touching the real eve. Something like a test server where people could go and try things to see if they're good. Of course, that would require them to have multiple separate copies of source code as well. I wonder why no one ever thought of that...
(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. All that exists right now, all that is missing is the intention to actually fix things. But good stuff doesn't sell, shiny stuff does. So shiny gets all the resources...)
I honestly do not believe they have the staff or systems in place to do it effectively, that's apparent in every new UI that comes out. They can do the underlying code more or less but when it comes to making it usable the problems show. So whoever though of the original BP's did not think about how they would actually be used at all except in passing and nothing in QA stopped it from being released as it was.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2010.03.21 12:08:00 -
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all bpos should be removed because its unfair for newbies like ninja salvaging
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.21 13:07:00 -
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Im not suggesting the market be redone. It has some issues but over all it functions quiet well.
Corp industry on the other hand is non functional. There is no book keeping, no tracking of assets in game.
You cant accidentally break corp industry because it doesnt exist. Its all done by either tiny little corps or in a some large corps by 1-5 trusted people. Ive seen a few large corps try it on a modest scale(say20 people involved) and it requires a huge amount of meta game book keeping.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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