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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:20:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:Not defending the OP at all, nor the donkeys who cry on the forums but you assume too much about everybody's ability to forfeit their RL responsibilities for a game: InternetSpaceship wrote: Tough ****. That's Eve. Playing solo is inherently more dangerous than playing in a group. Don't want to mine in a way that is going to be much safer? Fine, but don't whine when you get ganked. We are not obligated to allow everyone to play however they want. Don't like it, come get us.
Tough ****. That's Real Life. As MMO players gets older so their obligations increase and their time decreases. See, once upon a time there was a 500K subs game. It was bugged, servers crashed a lot, content was half made and graphics were absolutely behind the times. Then one day somebody suddenly realized what I typed above and made the game enjoyable even by those who cannot waste half day in CTAs, farming and so on. These days that game peaked at 14M subs. A business model that EvE should embrace (without the carebear part). Else EvE will be the forever "could have been the massive universe but never made to more than 50k stable concurrent players" second class game. Eve is built for 3M players, just look at how choppy and illiquid the markets are. Because too few are playing. InternetSpaceship wrote: So make your own 0.0 alliance and mine there. The ore in null IS far more valuable. This isn't some theory, lots of corps already do this. You just don't hear from them because they are in game mining and not bitching to CCP on the forums because they want to be invulnerable.
Not going to happen. People happen to have a life. "Making" a 0.0 alliance is easy, keeping it running is not. It's horrendously time consuming. InternetSpaceship wrote: You said it yourself, nearly everyone hates us. An alliance of those people would absolutely dwarf ours. VFK-IV. Deklein. Come get us.
You wrongly assume people care enough to bother. You need a motivated core of dedicated players with a lot of game knowledge to setup an alliance that would EVER have any hope to run against a Technetium fuelled endless empire. There's neither motivated people any more nor leadership or charisma people able to aggregate many players under a common objective. You indeed won EvE because of your efforts but also because all the others who cared quit and nobody are left to try.
Carebear Excuse #2 "I have a real life and others don't" spotted.
Move to wormhole space, it's an environment where much smaller entities can thrive and even have access to ABC ore, and where mining operations can be protected by a very small force and effort.
EVE is not just the black & white of hisec vs sov null, but also endless shades of grey in between.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Have you ever considered a lot of the playerbase don't give a crap about emergent game play and just want to have a game they can enjoy? When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space.
Most players do enjoy the game and appreciate the complex virtual universe full of emergent gameplay, and also like the fact that EVE is satisfyingly hard.
Otherwise they probably wouldn't be playing the game Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:30:00 -
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@ Frying Doom, sorry for quote fail
There were 40k+ guys online when I last looked at the login screen, yesterday or Friday, can't remember.
Not bad!
In general you make too many assumptions about your fellow player. Not everybody is too stupid to adapt, good players have adapted to Hulkageddons before and will continue to do so, and can appreciate a game universe that promotes emergent gameplay.
Summer is a real factor affecting player counts, we couldn't care less about events in hisec, but suffer from low activity and erratic login times when guys are enjoying the life outside. Beer, beach, girls, fishing... when it starts raining again, EVE is back on track.
I think hiseccers are blowing the ganking problem greatly out of proportion, it affects a minority, and even fewer of that minority are whiners who make deathwishes to EVE. Most of us are playing, doing all the fun stuff New Eden has to offer instead of banging our heads to the brick wall of getting ganked before dying out of boredom in hisec.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:37:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote: Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun.
Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.
Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.
Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.
People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.
People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.
Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?
To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:53:00 -
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Obmud wrote:
Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.
Yes, because it was not an attempt to ridicule anything, it was a list of things that some people might not enjoy, and by his logic should then be not forced to do.
Of course he is free to gather herbs all day long if he wants. Just like the Catalyst pilot is free to suicide his ship on the herbivore if he wants. Is this something you disagree with?
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:09:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote: Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.
For example:
Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.
AK
Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.
And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy. Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:13:00 -
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dexington wrote: The popular Hulkageddon survival strategies are docking up or mining in battleships, which work for a limited period of time, but can not truly be considered a permanent solution. It's possible to find a not to populated system an constantly keep an eye on local/overview/scan/etc, and leave the belt when you think something suspect is going on. In the end it's just not worth it, less trouble and less stress to run level 4 missions in a domi.
You don't have to stay in hisec :)
Quote: I think you are right, i was out mining with a friend most of the weekend, and nothing happened. I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec.
I'm not against increasing base HP of mining barges, but we should also remember that the barges don't fall to gankers by themselves. They are piloted by humans, that can make the ships harder prey.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:50:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote: It might be hard to drill in thick skulls but nowhere EvE gets a statement about "minimum of 2 hours a day required to play or GTFO".
Living in a WH is actually thougher than living in 0.0. Less people but much, MUCH more work and the requirements to have enough online to do that C5 are actually stricter than just joining random CTA members.
I believe that statement exists only inside one particular thick skull.
There's very little work when you share the load with a bunch of good guys, and if C5 is too much trouble, why not go lower class? Maybe I'm just lucky to have found a great group (props to Shiva pilots!), or it's down to routine, but I find wormhole life to be very comfortable and low maintenance indeed. Only finding targets can sometimes be a PITA
Obviously EVE has the potential to be a massive time-sink and can suck all your time, but casual playing is perfectly possible outside hisec. Just don't aim to conquer all of South or evict AHARM out of their Nova right away and you'll be fine.
It's all about setting up goals that suit your available schedule, and having a good time
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 16:52:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:
/whoosh
This why forums are poor places to debate with style; all the cadence and tonality is removed.
--- Read here. ---
AK
You can still try, with practice anybody can at least appear stylish. Don't give up!
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.03 16:58:00 -
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Obmud wrote:Roime wrote: Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.
And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy.
Eh ? If you try to mimic any understanding of logics please do so with at least reading up some before you do. That stuff didnt even make sense you just said.
I'm not sure whether you just admitted that you don't understand, or you hinted us that you are willing to wave your supposedly massive philosophical epeen on an internet spaceship forum. All I see is hot air. Or lukewarm air, actually.
Either way, you can also leave it at this and tell your gf (or left hand) that you sure showed that Roime guy and have a little quality time feeling like a big boy, or start delivering.
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