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Re Mmacs	Posted - 2010.03.18 17:03:00 - [1] So yeah, this has probably been done to death but its still worth discussing imo Solo cruiser fun? ie T1, relatively cheap fit so you don't think twice about throwing it into the mix, nobody really respects it/fears it so when you go off roaming people don't run from you and some AF/Inty/Dramiel/FOTM friggie pilots run towards you allowing you to pop way more expensive stuff while risking little The anti friggie AML Caracal is probably my favourite so far, get scram and web on anything small and you can chew it up, same with neut packing ruppie - although I think Caracal has more "what a **** ship/easy kill" factor going for it than any other cruiser imo - I'd always be wary of an arby for instance, who likes neuts?.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2010.03.18 18:04:00 - [2] Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 18:05:11 1600mm plate brawler Vexor, <3 Holds its own in cruiser v. cruiser and smaller ships will think twice before attacking a Vexor with neuts and warriors.
Xellss	Posted - 2010.03.18 18:14:00 - [3] arbitrator....best amar t1 cruiser vexor... rupture...
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.18 18:17:00 - [4] Shield Rupture. Can run from gang and pops tacklers quite easily. - Intigo
Jim Tudeski	Posted - 2010.03.18 18:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Xellss arbitrator....best amar t1 cruiser vexor... rupture... This. The 3600mm plate Thorax isn't too bad either ;D
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Trinova	Posted - 2010.03.18 19:33:00 - [6] The Bloa is probably going to be your best bet. If you want sneaky kills then you need to fly something people aren't too used to seeing. Most frig pilots know not to engage ships like the Caracal, Vexor, and Arbitrator because they get pwned. I don't have EFT on this PC (so I'm not 100% sure this will), but try something like this: Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II Mids: 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 1x Damage Control Unit II 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II For drones use 3x Warrior II.
measy	Posted - 2010.03.18 22:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Sonreir The Bloa is probably going to be your best bet. If you want sneaky kills then you need to fly something people aren't too used to seeing. Most frig pilots know not to engage ships like the Caracal, Vexor, and Arbitrator because they get pwned. I don't have EFT on this PC (so I'm not 100% sure this will), but try something like this: Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II Mids: 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 1x Damage Control Unit II 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II For drones use 3x Warrior II. blasterboat without a prop mod, that's going to end well oO;
Slade Hoo Amarr Corpse Collection Point	Posted - 2010.03.18 22:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Jim Tudeski This. The 3600mm plate Thorax isn't too bad either ;D WTB 3600mm Plates
Last Wolf Rage For Order	Posted - 2010.03.18 22:17:00 - [9] I like my Ruppy fit. 4x dual 180mm. 2x small nuet AB/Scram/Web DC/2x EANM/800mm plate/1600mm plate. 3x medium trimarks. Has more EHP than most Battlecruisers (except the drake) and people aren't afraid to come in close because they think you're gonna pop quick. Then the AB + 500m orbit is one hell of a tank. Won't kill anything with an active tank unless it is under gate fire.
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.18 23:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Tian Nu on 18/03/2010 23:43:20 there is nothing beter that the plated thorax whith EC 600 and small guns. best solo cruser can't even be debated nothing to debate about. sry i can't give you full fit (i don't share them) but is kind strait fovard once you put plate on. remember small blasters NO medium !
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.03.18 23:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Slade Hoo Originally by: Jim Tudeski This. The 3600mm plate Thorax isn't too bad either ;D WTB 3600mm Plates Today on Fun with NP-Hard Problems! The Single-Dimensional Knapsack Problem! Find combination of Eve Online plates that add up to 3600mm
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2010.03.19 00:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 18/03/2010 23:43:20 there is nothing beter that the plated thorax whith EC 600 and small guns. best solo cruser can't even be debated nothing to debate about. sry i can't give you full fit (i don't share them) but is kind strait fovard once you put plate on. remember small blasters NO medium ! sorry, that's just wrong. The 1600mm Thorax is very nice, don't get me wrong... but there are many other viable solo setups out there that can eat it alive.
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.19 00:28:00 - [13] Edited by: Tian Nu on 19/03/2010 00:29:10 Originally by: Eldern Minderhost Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 18/03/2010 23:43:20 there is nothing beter that the plated thorax whith EC 600 and small guns. best solo cruser can't even be debated nothing to debate about. sry i can't give you full fit (i don't share them) but is kind strait fovard once you put plate on. remember small blasters NO medium ! sorry, that's just wrong. The 1600mm Thorax is very nice, don't get me wrong... but there are many other viable solo setups out there that can eat it alive. You will eat D.I.C.K alive once i put the vespa 600 on you Yeah i did eat domi alive. poor guy never got lock. you need quick fingers and good recall drones / sent them timing trust me you will perma jam any thing. PS. don't take the d;i;c;k part in bad way is mather of speech not insulting.
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2010.03.19 04:12:00 - [14] Last I checked, the thorax was not the only cruiser that can field a flight of ECM drones.
Captain Nares	Posted - 2010.03.19 04:31:00 - [15] Osprey/Celestis/Bellicose are the best anti-frig cruisers. And you don't need cruiser5 and medium guns for them. Just cruiser 1-2 to sit and small lasers/AC's and light drones.
Tanaka Reina	Posted - 2010.03.19 06:00:00 - [16] Blackbird, no one attacks you though :/ AML Caracal is awesome at what it does, but I encountered a Dramiel with it which I just couldnt take down, at all. Once I dropped, an Enyo jumped in and got blown up too. Ive been wondering a while what I did wrong, well at least I was too sure of my victory since no other frigate has done any real damage to me.. Would you use double webs with the Caracal? I used double webs against a Crusader and killed it quite fast, but against the Dramiel I had a single web/Invul II
Bud Johnson Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2010.03.19 07:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 18:05:11 1600mm plate brawler Vexor, <3 Holds its own in cruiser v. cruiser and smaller ships will think twice before attacking a Vexor with neuts and warriors.
bff Jill	Posted - 2010.03.19 13:23:00 - [18] The hurricane is actually a cruiser (the typhoon is minmatars tier 2 battlecruiser)
Mara Abraham Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.19 13:27:00 - [19] Good day Tulisin: Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 18:05:11 1600mm plate brawler Vexor, <3 Holds its own in cruiser v. cruiser and smaller ships will think twice before attacking a Vexor with neuts and warriors. What does that Vexor look like fully fit? Thank you.
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.19 14:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Eldern Minderhost Last I checked, the thorax was not the only cruiser that can field a flight of ECM drones. Is that truth ?
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.19 14:43:00 - [21] Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 19/03/2010 14:48:42 Originally by: Mara Abraham Good day Tulisin: Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 18:05:11 1600mm plate brawler Vexor, <3 Holds its own in cruiser v. cruiser and smaller ships will think twice before attacking a Vexor with neuts and warriors. What does that Vexor look like fully fit? Thank you. [Vexor, Standard 1600] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Warrior II x5 You don't need the neut when you have Warriors + Small Blasters, but you can refit it as you see fit. You can change high slots around as you see fit, but that's the general idea. If you use small ACs you can fit a Medium Neut which basically spells death to any frigate-size ship that gets within 12km of you. Or you can squeeze it on the above setup with a 3% PG implant. - Intigo
Pandares Gallente hindsight is 20-20 Carebears 'R Us	Posted - 2010.03.19 15:53:00 - [22] Originally by: bff Jill The hurricane is actually a cruiser (the typhoon is minmatars tier 2 battlecruiser) Okay I'll bite... WTF?
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Trinova	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:34:00 - [23] Originally by: measy Originally by: Sonreir The Bloa is probably going to be your best bet. If you want sneaky kills then you need to fly something people aren't too used to seeing. Most frig pilots know not to engage ships like the Caracal, Vexor, and Arbitrator because they get pwned. I don't have EFT on this PC (so I'm not 100% sure this will), but try something like this: Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II Mids: 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 1x Damage Control Unit II 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II For drones use 3x Warrior II. blasterboat without a prop mod, that's going to end well oO; You're not going to catch frigs in a Moa even with an MWD. You want for them to engage you and use the scram and web to shut down their speed.
Arrador	Posted - 2010.03.22 20:01:00 - [24] Edited by: Arrador on 22/03/2010 20:05:08 Originally by: measy Originally by: Sonreir The Bloa is probably going to be your best bet. If you want sneaky kills then you need to fly something people aren't too used to seeing. Most frig pilots know not to engage ships like the Caracal, Vexor, and Arbitrator because they get pwned. I don't have EFT on this PC (so I'm not 100% sure this will), but try something like this: Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II Mids: 1x Warp Scrambler II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x Large Shield Extender Lows: 1x Damage Control Unit II 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II For drones use 3x Warrior II. blasterboat without a prop mod, that's going to end well oO; [Moa, Solo Moa] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hornet EC-300 x3 Resist rigs are cheap as chips. 3 small drones is pittance DPS, with web & scram, small ships aren't going anywhere. However, I'm cross training to this fit [Rupture, 1600 + 220mm] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x3 Yes, I realize I can't fit both flights of drones. I'm just pointing out the tactical advantage of the 30m3 dronebay. Either a full flight of lights, or 3 mediums makes for a very flexible setup.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.03.22 20:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Arrador Yes, I realize I can't fit both flights of drones. I'm just pointing out the tactical advantage of the 30m3 dronebay. Either a full flight of lights, or 3 mediums makes for a very flexible setup. Why would you ever want to launch less than 3 drones after you have Drone V trained?
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.03.22 22:19:00 - [26] You're probably on the money with the AML Caracal - I get loads of joy from mine. But most cruisers are proper fun and nearly all of them are useful. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Myrkala Minmatar Interstellar Empire	Posted - 2010.03.22 22:48:00 - [27] Originally by: James Tritanius Originally by: Arrador Yes, I realize I can't fit both flights of drones. I'm just pointing out the tactical advantage of the 30m3 dronebay. Either a full flight of lights, or 3 mediums makes for a very flexible setup. Why would you ever want to launch less than 3 drones after you have Drone V trained? 1 med + 4 lights - Thanks CCP, I knew you had it in you! <3 Long live Naglfar!
Kessiaan Minmatar Vagrants Inc	Posted - 2010.03.22 23:22:00 - [28] Edited by: Kessiaan on 22/03/2010 23:25:02 Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 19/03/2010 00:29:10 Originally by: Eldern Minderhost Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 18/03/2010 23:43:20 there is nothing beter that the plated thorax whith EC 600 and small guns. best solo cruser can't even be debated nothing to debate about. sry i can't give you full fit (i don't share them) but is kind strait fovard once you put plate on. remember small blasters NO medium ! sorry, that's just wrong. The 1600mm Thorax is very nice, don't get me wrong... but there are many other viable solo setups out there that can eat it alive. You will eat D.I.C.K alive once i put the vespa 600 on you Yeah i did eat domi alive. poor guy never got lock. you need quick fingers and good recall drones / sent them timing trust me you will perma jam any thing. PS. don't take the d;i;c;k part in bad way is mather of speech not insulting. While I am a huge fan of the light neutron Thorax I'd never bring it to a cruiser fight. For 1v5 vs frig. gangs it's just ridiculous though. (although I load up 10x Warrior II instead of ECM drones) You can do the exact same fit with heavy electrons (1600 plate + full tackle + 3x magstabs and a DC II) if you have AWU V, a cheap 3% PG implant, and fit 1 PG rig. Has enough DPS to kill lone cruisers before more help than you can jam out with your ECM drones shows up as long as you're careful and the medium guns give it enough DPS to go up against BCs (and again, if you get kited by a 'cane or bite off more than you can chew the 1600 plate usually lasts long enough to get a jam off and get out) As far as Dramiels go, you'll never kill one 1v1 unless he's an idiot, you've specifically fit your ship to kill Dramiels, or, more likely, both. There's a reason they're so popular, you know.
Phil Exon Gallente NeoCorteX Industry Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.03.22 23:31:00 - [29] frig killing maller of doom <3
altyaltyaltyalt	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:49:00 - [30] The Garmon ruppy is my favorite. It's really good at catching and then exploiting the resist holes of T2 cruisers. A ruppy can kill most HACs/Recons. Even if you're picking them out of a small gatecamp blob, they'll usually die before you do if you've got another ruppy buddy with you.

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