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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:26:00 -
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Ressurecting an old thread, but it's relevant so bear with me.
Have a look at this vid from mememememememetube.
Note the trucks complete indifference to the car, the lack of speed loss and the way that once contact has been made the car is spun around like it weighed nothing.
OK, this time the trucker is at fault (should have been more aware of what's outside his window before overtaking) but it does bear out what I said earlier on blind spots and the possible sequence of events that may have led to the subject of this thread in the first place.
Still waiting to hear about the investigation. Anyone got any news I missed?
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:41:00 -
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Just curious how the truck driver even if he didn't see the car didn't feel the impact in the first place.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yesh
Originally by: Nebulous Nearly as terrifying as this,
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Terrifying indeed, but not as scary as this .... Nasty
Just shows the kinetic force going on with a heavy truck (see how the first car just stops and sticks to the front of the truck) and also the dangers of tailgating .... if the BMW driver hadn't been tailgating then the driver plus passenger plus child wouldn't have died .... as mentioned earlier in this thread just remember an artic is at least 20 x heavier than your car. Don't mess around with them
That happened really close to where I live in Italy. There's still a bit of mystery to why it happened. I've heard that the guy had a heart attack and I've also heard that something broke on the truck and it just made a beeline to the opposite lane. It was a really ugly scenario.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Yesh
Originally by: Nebulous Nearly as terrifying as this,
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Terrifying indeed, but not as scary as this .... Nasty
Just shows the kinetic force going on with a heavy truck (see how the first car just stops and sticks to the front of the truck) and also the dangers of tailgating .... if the BMW driver hadn't been tailgating then the driver plus passenger plus child wouldn't have died .... as mentioned earlier in this thread just remember an artic is at least 20 x heavier than your car. Don't mess around with them
That happened really close to where I live in Italy. There's still a bit of mystery to why it happened. I've heard that the guy had a heart attack and I've also heard that something broke on the truck and it just made a beeline to the opposite lane. It was a really ugly scenario.
Yeah, that was horrible. I think in the comments someone said it looks like the springs went on the left side, which seems reasonable. _________________________________ ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ## |
Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vak''ran on 08/04/2010 16:07:38 A Clio weighs less than 900kg, if he got swiped in that position outside of the lorry drivers' view I would not have been surprised for the driver to not notice until the thing actually disintegrating under his front wheels at some point.
On a somewhat non-related note, but because we seem to have a few lorry drivers in this thread who give a lot more insightful info than for instance (while hilarious) the antics of the top gear boys, maybe you could clear something else up for me.
Why, for the love of things holy, does a truck doing 79kph sometimes have to be overtaken by another truck doing 83kph, leaving a grand total of 0 lanes left for cars to do 120kph on....
I mean, I'm not looking for a shouting match here, but frankly I am stumped... Are those particular drivers just being inconsiderate, does it have something to do with the ability of these heavy things to stably come to a certain speed? Or is the scheduling pressure so great that a few km/h difference is significant?
TBH, not knowing a thing about driving lorries, I'd really like to hear a good explanation or reason some time, given the amount this happens and the effect it has on motorway traffic... it causes me great puzzlement :-)
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations Takhar Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Just curious how the truck driver even if he didn't see the car didn't feel the impact in the first place.
I think it has already been said in this thread but it's probably down to the fact the truck is a few tonnes and is built to carry even more weight, the car is somewhat insignificant. Also trucks generally have really bouncy drivers seats which suppress bumps.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jago Kain on 08/04/2010 18:32:47
Originally by: Vak'ran ...Why, for the love of things holy, does a truck doing 79kph sometimes have to be overtaken by another truck doing 83kph, leaving a grand total of 0 lanes left for cars to do 120kph on....
I mean, I'm not looking for a shouting match here, but frankly I am stumped... Are those particular drivers just being inconsiderate, does it have something to do with the ability of these heavy things to stably come to a certain speed? Or is the scheduling pressure so great that a few km/h difference is significant?...
I am sorely tempted to be an evil bastard here.
I was asked the same question by a guy in a pub once when he found out that I drove trucks. I wus a bit full of Stella at the time, and the guy was a well know local tit so I thought I'd yank his chain a little.
I told him it was just pure spite! I said that every truck built for the last 15 years or so was more than capable of doing 70mph everywhere and that although they were limited to 56mph, there was an override button in the cab for overtaking (not true at all), but that it was funnier not to use it.
I told him that dilligently blocking a line of traffic for three miles whilst overtaking was just one of those little games that we played with cagers to while away the hours whilst doing a boring job, and that we frequently colluded with each other and that you had pairs of trucks leap-frogging each other at low speed differentials up and down the country because we thought it was funny and no other reason.
Stupid wazzock bought it... I came into the pub the next night and he was holding forth on the subject like he knew what he was talking about, only with some colorful embellishments of his own involving CB radios (which you rarely find in trucks these days) and league tables.
The real reason(s) for the glacial speed overtakes is a little more boring I'm afraid.
Here in the UK, LGVs (Large Goods Vehicles... hasn't been HGV for 20 years or so) are limited by law to 56mph top end. The limiter calibration is checked as part of the MOT test and it is normally absolutely spot on.... however, they can still be fiddled with deliberately and occasionally a knock (maybe just a jarring crunch into a large pot hole) can upset one to the point where it doesn't nerf at the appropriate speed.
In practise this means that very few trucks are doing exactly the limit and there will be a minor speed differential even on level surfaces.
There are also other factors which can change the maximum speed of a large goods vehicle.
Weight and a sharp enough incline is the obvious one. Truck engines vary in power from about 200hp up to 500hp and beyond. It would be an expensive waste putting a 500hp engine in a truck designed to haul foam rubber for matresses around, so they'd use a lower powered truck for that. The Scottish haulage firms tend to use 500hp+ trucks a lot as Scotland is quite hilly in places (far more so than England) and the distances they travel tend to be much greater than general haulage around England, where it is far more common to see trucks in the 210-380hp band.
When you've got an underpowered truck trying to haul a heavier load than is optimal, it slows down on gradients as it just doesn't have the power to keep the speed up. Hence crawler lanes.
Scheduling pressure in the haulage industry is also extreemely intense. It's a cutthroat business and it's all about moving stuff as fast as is possible and hitting deadlines.
I've had massive *******ings from transport managers (most are bum-holes) for doing 40mph in East Anglia (the legal speed limit on single carriageway roads for artics) because "everyone else does 50mph". Some drivers will override traffic laws becasue they have the boss on the phone every three minutes asking where they are... and some will tell him to go take a running jump. Guess which camp I was in?
There are other reasons like mechanicaly related faults, but the above two are the main ones.
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