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DawnTreader
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Posted - 2010.03.19 14:39:00 -
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I've seen it mentioned, so I'm clearly not the only one playing with this. But do any of you make any serious isk from this endevour?
I've tried out 3 different reactions now and the results weren't exactly breathtaking market wise. OK, for the second two I had to actually go and buy the gas and clearly there's no profit unless you bother to harvest your own. But still...
I was kinda hoping it would be the w-space equivilent of moon mining. Not that I've ever done that. |
Modena Belay
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Posted - 2010.03.19 15:37:00 -
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Short answer....no, there is no serious isk in polymers alone. Making polymers is a convenience thing: if you a manufacturing T3 components or subsystems in W-space. You need the polymers, so you mine the gas and react them so you can make the components and/or subsystems. You won't make a profit on polymers alone.
The alternative is waiting for an exit to K-space and flying to Jita, then hauling the polymers back in...a major pain in the rear. |
Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2010.03.19 15:52:00 -
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I guess it depends on your definition of serious ISK. Averaging 1-2 million profit pr cycle is not unusual. Although if you strictly buy fullerenes and sell polymers, the inconvenience of hauling probably outweighs the income.
As a means to simplify logistics, add a bit of extra margin, and an added insurance to price changes when building subsystems, then polymer reactions are much more worthwhile.
Trying 3 different reactions wont cut it, you will need to stay ahead of market movements, and be able to judge what the best reactions will be for the next 1-2 weeks. The advantage of polymer reactions is that you have almost full freedom to change production, you use the exact same silos for all reactions, and the only extra investment is the cost of the reaction blueprint.
The profit is the same whether you harvest your own, or buy it. But logistics becomes easier when harvesting.
Its certainly not an afk endeavour, and considering the workload involved, probably not worth it ;) |
Olusegun Obasanjo
Minmatar CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA
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Posted - 2010.03.19 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Modena Belay Short answer....no, there is no serious isk in polymers alone.
the workload is not worth it for the crappy margins |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.19 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Olusegun Obasanjo
Originally by: Modena Belay Short answer....no, there is no serious isk in polymers alone.
the workload is not worth it for the crappy margins
Definitely not. I only do polymer reactions because I live in a C2, and my corpmate buys anything I produce at Jita prices, as it saves him the trip.
I looked at setting-up a tower just for polymer reactions, and though it would pay for fuel (in some cases), the return just wasn't worth the effort.
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Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.19 19:28:00 -
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It's nice since it pays for fuel, but don't bother unless you've got a static highsec. And even then the logistic needed to keep the reactor online 24/7 is quite a pain... |
The Breadmaster
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Posted - 2010.03.19 21:37:00 -
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I personally went this route back when aprocrypha was still hot off the presses and proceeded for 6 months.
It paid well then, but the margins are so thin today that it's not worth the effort once you calculate in your POS fuel cost. |
Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.03.20 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Breadmaster I personally went this route back when aprocrypha was still hot off the presses and proceeded for 6 months.
It paid well then, but the margins are so thin today that it's not worth the effort once you calculate in your POS fuel cost.
Pretty much this. Confirming that it was ridiculously profitable until a couple of months ago.
On occasion it can still be so, especially the 320/540 reactions. The others can sometimes bounce into profitability but it's so volatile that by the time you've sourced the gas, reacted it and shipped it back to Jita the market has usually swung back.
Also some folks have been buying the 320/540 at non-profitable prices (haven't run the numbers in a couple of days) so you have to be careful. |
DawnTreader
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Posted - 2010.03.20 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: DawnTreader on 20/03/2010 04:26:54 Well, that's a bit of a let down. My plan was to just use whatever I found in our WH and in the daily C2 we've got a static too. Sounds like it might pull in a few mil a day of afk type income. Sure makes the gas easier to transport and sell if nothing else.
The POS would exist with or without the polymer factory, so it's not an issue whether it pays for the fuel or not.
In the meantime, I guess I continue training the T3 production skills. But they better be worth it CCP!
[edit for random missing word]
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.03.21 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: DawnTreader
Well, that's a bit of a let down. My plan was to just use whatever I found in our WH and in the daily C2 we've got a static too. Sounds like it might pull in a few mil a day of afk type income. Sure makes the gas easier to transport and sell if nothing else.
The POS would exist with or without the polymer factory, so it's not an issue whether it pays for the fuel or not.
You can probably make a few million a day. There was a time when you could make a few million an hour. :o
When I say it's "not profitable" I mean that it barely covers POS fuel costs. If you're running the POS anyway and have spare cpu/grid then most of the reactions that you're looking at (i.e. ones that use gas from a c2) will generate a couple of hundred thousand isk profit per reactor/hour.
Some of the mid-range reactions especially sometimes spike up profitability (see Scandium Metallofullerene which, best case, was generating around 1.5 mill profit per reactor/hour if you could sell it, it has a nasty habit of crashing back down after low sales volume.)
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