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Rabid44	Posted - 2010.03.21 03:08:00 - [1] What's the deal with the salvage stealers? Your in a mission,killing for isk, and someone comes in and steals the most valuable part of the mission. You can't shoot them unless they take the loot. And this is all within the game rules. What's the difference between taking the salvage or loot? It's still stealing no matter how you slice it. For those of us who run missions for isk it's a crime for anyone to come in and steal the stuff. Pretty stupid rule. It needs to be changed, if someone is stealing from you, salvage OR loot, they should turn red and be killed. CHANGE IT EVE MODERATORS !!
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.03.21 03:11:00 - [2] Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 21/03/2010 03:14:34 You get a 0/10 for lack of an original idea. Salvage theft is a form of PVP (official CCP stance), they won't take it out because then they'd be denying ME my primary source of income, too. Originally by: Rabid44 You can't shoot them unless they take the loot. This is a lie. If you don't like it, shoot the person stealing your salvage.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.21 03:11:00 - [3] 0/10
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.03.21 03:48:00 - [4] Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 21/03/2010 03:14:34 You get a 0/10 for lack of an original idea. Salvage theft is a form of PVP (official CCP stance), they won't take it out because then they'd be denying ME my primary source of income, too. Originally by: Rabid44 You can't shoot them unless they take the loot. This is a lie. If you don't like it, shoot the person stealing your salvage. The words salvage and theft do not go together. Also shooting a person that "steals" your salvage is a sure way to get CONCORD on your ass. Kirra Liu / Lord Windu
llhloiug	Posted - 2010.03.21 03:49:00 - [5] Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil If you don't like it, shoot the person stealing your salvage. Sure, but then you get concorded. And, how is taking someone's salvage pvp? It should be no different than taking loot. You should get an agression countdown for it. Granted, this is a dead hoarse that has been beat to a pulp, but it still seems broken. Fix it, CCP.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.03.21 03:58:00 - [6] Not that I have love for pirates or anything but mission panhandlers are far from pirates.
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.03.21 04:20:00 - [7] Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 21/03/2010 04:23:50 So CONCORD has a soft spot for people trying to clean up the mess of wrecks you made, so what? You have to take risks and make sacrifices if you want to defend what you think is yours. When I take the time to probe you and then warp to your mission, I risk losing my ship if you decide to shoot at me. What if I help to destroy the rats? Does the loot still "belong" to you even though I also DPSed the ship? How about this situation: You get popped in high-sec by a suicide ganker; should I not be able to freely salvage your wrecked ship because it might upset the person who killed you? Wrecks don't belong to anybody. CONCORD appreciates help when it comes to cleaning up space rubbish.
Comodore John Gallente KILRATHI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2010.03.21 04:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Comodore John on 21/03/2010 04:45:18 r CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.03.21 07:49:00 - [9] Originally by: llhloiug Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil If you don't like it, shoot the person stealing your salvage. Sure, but then you get concorded. I never 'ninja salvaged' for very long but I can tell you I have seen at least 4 Hyperion, a couple of Maelstrom and Dominix receive swift justice from concord on account of shooting my tormentor/vigil/ whatever dumb salvage ship I was using at the time. Some people like to take the law into their own hands. Signature removed, ♥ Parrots, but they aren't EVE Online sigs. Zymurgist
Daniel L'Siata Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.21 10:14:00 - [10] There's a reason I have a cheap Thorax fitted and sitting in my mission system. Ninja salvagers are that reason. Not cost effective, but very good for stress relief, and usually convinces them not to try it in the future.

Shaved Chubakka	Posted - 2010.03.21 12:33:00 - [11] I will salvage any wreck. You run missions, my isk maker is salvage. I don't go to your mission complex to do it. If nobody's around, I'll take the look too. Got podded a few times by cloaked ships waiting for me to take the loot...so I'm more carefull. You use the word "Steal" like its a a dirty word. This is a game, some players are playing a different kind of character than you. You chose to play a pompous elite by the book sort of mission runner. You seem to look down your nose at me. Buy a cloaking device, watch for them to take the loot, tackle them, jam thier targeting, and slowly pew pew pew.... until they're dead. In the end you'll appreciate the game more....as it is.
Paknac Queltel Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.03.21 12:44:00 - [12] well-played troll is well-played. Hat's off to you, sir OP.
Capt Leggo	Posted - 2010.03.21 13:13:00 - [13] Edited by: Capt Leggo on 21/03/2010 13:13:16 I also probe mission sites and salvage the wrecks, it is and will always be legal for us to salvage the wrecks. However I usally will watch and see if the mission runner is actively salvageing or just ratting, and usally its one or the other and not both. And I will tell said mission runner in private convo or in local that I am not here for the loot (Because if I take loot they have kill rights) just here for the wrecks And FWI its not stealing 9/10 times the mission runner is not salvageing the wrecks just doing the mich. It still amazes me that people cry about intended game mechs because it doesent fit their game style You have options ask them to not take your wrecks if you FULLY inted to salvage them, do you salvage your wrecks in every mich? If not dont cry about it wrecks are public property.
jona1	Posted - 2010.03.21 14:41:00 - [14] No problem with salvagers it the **s that steal the damsel or other specific misson items that ** me off , still its fun that they have termed themselves "pirates", they must have not graduated form piwate Univerity yet that they are still Hi sec trying to grief people.
Paknac Queltel Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.03.21 14:47:00 - [15] Originally by: jona1 No problem with salvagers it the **s that steal the damsel or other specific misson items that ** me off , still its fun that they have termed themselves "pirates", they must have not graduated form piwate Univerity yet that they are still Hi sec trying to grief people. Kidnapping and ransomming the damsel is a way to make a profit. Sounds like valid, but boring, piracy to me.
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.03.21 15:10:00 - [16] Adapt and get used to the fact that an occasional ninja salvager isn't so bad at all. 1. Choose your mission system wisely. Are there a couple of hundred other muppets in local? There will be ninja's and mission loot thieves as well as they can conveniently jump from mission to mission and actually make some half decent isk with what they do. You get to choose 2 of 3: High quality agent Very close to a large tradehub Very few ninja's 2. Do you need to loot a mission item? Know where and when it drops and be on top of it when it happens. Help us to make parrots game related today!
Capt Leggo	Posted - 2010.03.21 15:20:00 - [17] Edited by: Capt Leggo on 21/03/2010 15:20:33 Originally by: Ran Khanon Adapt and get used to the fact that an occasional ninja salvager isn't so bad at all. 1. Choose your mission system wisely. Are there a couple of hundred other muppets in local? There will be ninja's and mission loot thieves as well as they can conveniently jump from mission to mission and actually make some half decent isk with what they do. You get to choose 2 of 3: High quality agent Very close to a large tradehub Very few ninja's 2. Do you need to loot a mission item? Know where and when it drops and be on top of it when it happens. OP is trolling, if he's serious I think he means the mich Item or wrecks or both right? if its his mich item, any self respecting salvager shouldnt take a pilots mich item and prevent them from completeing mich. However it is high sec yarrrage! to ransom mich item back to said mission runner. So perfectly acceptable. As for the wrecks OP needs to get a clue, salvageing is first come first serve, if I can probe your mich I deserve to salvage the wreck as much as you. If you get to it first your a daisy
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2010.03.21 15:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Rabid44 salvage stealers You can't steal what doesn't belong to anybody.
Jessica Lanson Port Hercules	Posted - 2010.03.21 17:22:00 - [19] Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 21/03/2010 17:24:20 Originally by: Daniel L'Siata There's a reason I have a cheap Thorax fitted and sitting in my mission system. Ninja salvagers are that reason. Not cost effective, but very good for stress relief, and usually convinces them not to try it in the future. Oh please, kill my "free" Heron with your Brutix when I enter your mission, and give me even more loot! More carebears need to start doing this. Come to think of it, why not use your main to make the hit? You don't want to fail due to insufficient gunnery and you don't want to lose skills training an alt. I'd appreciate the kill rights on your faction CNR when you jump back in. (edit) You see you fail to distinguish between ninjas who are all 1 day old noobs and do it for the ISK, and griefers who want to pop you. If I didn't want to be ganked I'd ninja in a Stabber (it's blazingly fast and has 6 highs). If I enter in a Heron or a Probe, I WANT you to shoot at me.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.03.21 17:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Jessica Lanson Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 21/03/2010 17:33:24 Originally by: Daniel L'Siata There's a reason I have a cheap Thorax fitted and sitting in my mission system. Ninja salvagers are that reason. Not cost effective, but very good for stress relief, and usually convinces them not to try it in the future. Oh please, kill my "free" Heron with your Thorax when I enter your mission, and give me even more loot! I could do with some medium blasters - I use them for suicide ganking. More carebears need to start doing this. Come to think of it, why not use your main to make the hit? You don't want to fail due to insufficient gunnery and you don't want to lose skills training an alt. I'd appreciate the kill rights on your faction CNR when you jump back in. Look at me, I'm a tough talking binman. Signature removed, ♥ Parrots, but they aren't EVE Online sigs. Zymurgist

Jessica Lanson Port Hercules	Posted - 2010.03.21 17:57:00 - [21] Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 21/03/2010 17:56:53 Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Jessica Lanson Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 21/03/2010 17:33:24 Look at me, I'm a tough talking binman. Plz dont shot. I need the isk. No kill plx!!!111
Artemis Fortune Fortune Exploration and Salvage LLC	Posted - 2010.03.21 18:35:00 - [22] I don't understand why there is any controversy. Salvage operators remove hazardous wrecks from the spacelanes and produce valuable intermediate goods for the production of ship rigs, often while dodging missiles and shells hurled by pirates and those who hunt them. It's a legitimate business that keeps space tidy and furthers commerce, and has the explicit blessing of CONCORD. If you would take the time to talk to a salvage operator, I think you'll find that they are professional and courteous, which is a rarity in this universe at war. I'd be glad to discuss the salvage trade with any cap pilot over a cup of coffee. Who knows, you might even find what I have to say so compelling that you consider the business yourself! ----- At Fortune Exploration and Salvage, business is picking up!
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.03.21 18:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Rabid44 and someone comes in and steals the most valuable part of the mission. Right there is your flaw; the salvage is not really the most profitable. It is the actual bounty.
Ultranoia	Posted - 2010.03.21 22:53:00 - [24] Someone please salvage this thread?
Planetary Genocide Gallente White Talon Enterprises New Bastion	Posted - 2010.03.21 23:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Ultranoia Someone please salvage this thread? This thread's salvage is like salvaging EoM/Merc missions... metal scraps and nothing else. Anyways, ninja salvaging is perfect. I don't take loot, so they shoot my poor catalyst and then convo me with a ban threat when I apparently pull CONCORD on their heads. ______________ RAWRRR
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.22 03:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Paknac Queltel well-played troll is well-played. Hat's off to you, sir OP. i'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt here, did you post this in the wrong thread or something Originally by: Queue K'Umber It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Ikonia	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:49:00 - [27] Well i see it as it is. Wrecks are marked with ownership. But the wreck does not belong to you? Only the things inside? Sounds a bit cheap. It is nothing personally, but CCP has to look that people are confronted with as many timesinks as possible. the longer u need to make ingame cash, the longer u will be playing, the more they earn. Seen from the other side, i dont care too much about. Wrecks are tractored and salvaged by my orca as soon as they pop. And if a Salvage thief comes in, just warp out. Best tactic to do is shoot the medium ships but let the scramblers and battleships alive. That way you might find another wreck with a bit of salvage drifting at your mission site sometimes :) Cheers, Iko --- Honker:"Damn! Ok, I'll go and loot my wife now..." --- HighSec Gankers? Well, every world has its psychpaths.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.24 15:05:00 - [28] Yay for round 203,328,356 of salvage rights threads. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Ninjatator	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:13:00 - [29] People people people..... Flying in space is dangerous. Its full of violence and disease, surrounded by blackness and cold. You think getting your trash stolen isn't fare? Try losing an eye to a Matarian flesh eating virus. If you can't handle the rigors of space I suggest you recycle your pod to save whats left of the rain forest on Caldai Prime. Leave space travel to the real pilots (this is why I hate democrats) The obvious answer is so simple I almost dont want to waste my time with it, but what the hell, here it goes... 1) Join a 0.0 corp. Salvage in 0.0 space. If anyone comes in to steal said salvage, pop them like a zit. 2) Ever heard of bounties? If some one is annoying you that much, place a bounty on his ass. ISK hungry people like me will waste no time claiming the bounty. 3) Gank his ass, seriously most people salvaging are in a frigate, so keep a frigate on hand to shoot at it with a group of your friends (ooo concord will take your ship...big whoop u just lost 3 mill but you got the point accost) now stop wining and start solving your own problems. javascript:insertsmilie('','WebPost','text');
Xilian Yula	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:45:00 - [30] This is getting old.



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