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Del Vikus
Minmatar
Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.03.22 17:52:00 -
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A while ago I posted a thread about T1 Minmatar RR options, and basically came up with very little. Seems like Gallente and Caldari will always hold the edge for T1 RR cruisers.
In keeping with this thinking, I thought I would pick everyone's brains and ask what other T1 possibilities exist for Matari RR and logistics? Whether it's BC or BS, I'm curious to know what you've used, and how effective it was. We all know how the Dominix is a popular alternative. So what Minmatar ships can pull their weight in this area? The Maelstrom would seem like a good choice, due to its awesome powergrid, decent cap, and decent tankability. So while it's got little of the drone DPS options of the Domi, it more than makes up for this in terms of survivability.
Thoughts?
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:03:00 -
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Train caldari or gallente if you want a t1 RR ship..
Typhoons and tempests hold their own pretty well in RR BS gangs though, not needing cap for dps and jummy typhoon drone bay, but if you really want to provide RR well (other than in a RR BS gang) you need range and that you can only get (t1) with the gallie and caldi cruisers. Maelstroms imho are better suited as epic local tanks with full gun racks.
All the above is prolly crap
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:05:00 -
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Typhoon & Tempest, mostly because of utility slots.
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Del Vikus
Minmatar
Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:45:00 -
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 Originally by: James Tritanius
Typhoon & Tempest, mostly because of utility slots.
Can you elaborate?
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Hoshi
The Einherjar Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Del Vikus
Can you elaborate?
Tempest has 6 turret hardpoints but 8 highslots. That leaves 2 auxiliary highs. You could put missiles in them but the dps increase would be small. So for a remote rep battleship gang it's optimal to put 2 large remote armor repairs there instead.
Typhoon has a 5/5 hardpoint split. So you could either go with 5 guns or 5 missiles, in this case it makes a bit more sense to fill the remaining 3 with the other kind but it's not optimal as you need dual damage mods to take full advantage. So they can instead be used for utility items like remote armor repairs.
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Del Vikus
Minmatar
Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Del Vikus
Can you elaborate?
Tempest has 6 turret hardpoints but 8 highslots. That leaves 2 auxiliary highs. You could put missiles in them but the dps increase would be small. So for a remote rep battleship gang it's optimal to put 2 large remote armor repairs there instead.
Typhoon has a 5/5 hardpoint split. So you could either go with 5 guns or 5 missiles, in this case it makes a bit more sense to fill the remaining 3 with the other kind but it's not optimal as you need dual damage mods to take full advantage. So they can instead be used for utility items like remote armor repairs.
Gotcha, thanks, that makes sense.
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altyaltyaltyalt
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Posted - 2010.03.23 02:26:00 -
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The Phoon basically fills the same role as the Dominix: utility and DPS. The only real difference between the two is that the Phoon has the option of fitting for 900-1k DPS, twice what a utility Domi can do, while still packing 3 RR. If a fight is happening within torp range, I'd take a Phoon over a Domi for this role any day. |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.03.23 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Del Vikus
Seems like Gallente and Caldari will always hold the edge for T1 RR cruisers.
True, should be noted that the amarr one at least can be marginally useful with the cap transfers, but yea, minmatar one is completely useless.
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Chigy
Minmatar
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2010.03.23 03:25:00 -
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Scythe with Remote SeBo and Tracking Links is great for gate camping (Highsec only).
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Del Vikus
Minmatar
Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.03.23 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: altyaltyaltyalt
The Phoon basically fills the same role as the Dominix: utility and DPS. The only real difference between the two is that the Phoon has the option of fitting for 900-1k DPS, twice what a utility Domi can do, while still packing 3 RR. If a fight is happening within torp range, I'd take a Phoon over a Domi for this role any day.
Can you give me an example of a RR-fitted 'Phoon? I'm really hoping to make this work! :)
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 23/03/2010 05:43:19
Originally by: Del Vikus
Can you give me an example of a RR-fitted 'Phoon? I'm really hoping to make this work! :)
Here's a fantastic one I saw that a lot of people workshopped just before Dominion came out. Before someone hops all over the hardeners as opposed to EANMs: resists = more effective incoming tank. It's also missing a point, which I don't like, but you are in a gang...
[Typhoon, Dom Fleet RR]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large Anti-Thermic Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5
116k EHP, 863 DPS, Resists: 72.5% E, 67.8% T, 76.1% K, 71.3% X
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.23 09:11:00 -
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... and no ECCM.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Aperture Science inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.23 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva
... and no ECCM.
Trust me, if you are in a RR battleship blob, ECCM is useless and really not needed.
You are better off with a point, more cap regen or something like that.
Hell I don't even fit an ECCM on my scimitar and I've NEVER been ECMd.
Sure, if you really want to be able to go HAH YOU CANT ECM ME the 1 off odd time you actually do get ECMd, you'll fail anyway
because you will get ECMd anyway if they really want to.
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