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ElvenLord
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Posted - 2010.03.23 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: ElvenLord on 23/03/2010 00:48:41 The seventh issues meeting of CSM4, Sunday March 28th at 18:00 eve time
Issue submission deadline will be Friday March 26th 18:00 eve time (CSM Delegates must reply to this thread listing the ISSUE name and appropriate links to Assembly Hall thread and CSM wiki)
Items on agenda: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.
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All CSM delegates and Alternates are invited to attend.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.03.23 09:11:00 -
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Reserved
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 08:38:00 -
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How many days in advance issues should be put in this list?
The most dutiful CSM member is TeaDaze that has at least reserved a space.
There is really nothing to discuss at this time?
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ElvenLord
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Posted - 2010.03.25 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul There is really nothing to discuss at this time?
Ofc there is. We are talking about issues unofficially between meeting all the time, then post the agenda day or two before the meeting. Its a process we adopted in CSM 4.0 and it works, gave pretty good solutions for most issues so far.
Also we are discussing list of fixes and features for development assessment as part of the new process for CSM that we agreed with CCP last summit (explained in last devblog).
CSM 4.0 is still in the office and working hard
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:33:00 -
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So we will know what will be discussed too late to try to convince a CSM member to add a topic to the list.
Sorry, but the new procedures you are implementing seem to put more and more distance between the CSM and most EVE players.
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Mal Miata
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.25 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul So we will know what will be discussed too late to try to convince a CSM member to add a topic to the list.
Sorry, but the new procedures you are implementing seem to put more and more distance between the CSM and most EVE players.
As I understand it, if you want a topic raised on a meeting, you promote this idea before the CSM members decide what they will pick up. This list will allow the other CSM members that didn't raise the topic to have a few days to read up before the actuall session. It doesn't put any distance between CSM and "regular" EVE players, instead showing us what's going on before the meeting. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul So we will know what will be discussed too late to try to ***** and whine to a CSM member to add whatever topic isnt on there that i can troll about to the list.
Sorry, but the new procedures you are implementing seem to put more and more distance between the CSM and the most annoying EVE players.
Fixed it for you. If you are very concerned that topic be included, make that known ahead of time instead of waiting like a lazy troll to see what isnt on the list and then complain that whatever isnt on there should have been.
If you're trolling, try harder. If you're not trolling, try harder. ---
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Originally by: Venkul Mul So we will know what will be discussed too late to try to ***** and whine to a CSM member to add whatever topic isnt on there that i can troll about to the list.
Sorry, but the new procedures you are implementing seem to put more and more distance between the CSM and the most annoying EVE players.
Fixed it for you. If you are very concerned that topic be included, make that known ahead of time instead of waiting like a lazy troll to see what isnt on the list and then complain that whatever isnt on there should have been.
If you're trolling, try harder. If you're not trolling, try harder.
Great brain Alekseyev, A B normal?
The issue should be in the Assembly hall at least 1 week before the CSM meeting so there is no way to add something at the last moment.
What this change do is to make impossible to try to contact a CSM member to get him to support a argument if you see that is passed over again after several CSM meeting.
Not that it will make any difference as the arguments are chosen at the total discretion of the CSM members, seeing how "forcing" a discussion require 5.000 voters in 1 week.
Quote: When a topic is introduced, a seven-day counter begins. During this time, the topic is open for all individuals to deliberate. Should, after seven full days, 25% of the total participants in the last general election support a topic, the CSM is obligated to allocate time for that issue in their next meeting,
I am very curious to see what "crucial" topics will be in the discussion this time.
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Delenne Sheridan
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze Edited by: TeaDaze on 25/03/2010 13:19:07 One that wasn't included from my list last time
Improve POS missile batteries Thread | Wiki
Keeping my eye out for any more.
POS batteries only has 8 thumbs up on Assembly Hall, far below the amount you said were not enough to look at the special Gallante Missions (29 was that number. POS batteries should not be included.
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Delenne Sheridan
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Delenne Sheridan on 26/03/2010 17:09:15
Originally by: TeaDaze Edited by: TeaDaze on 25/03/2010 13:19:07 One that wasn't included from my list last time
Planning to add these to the wiki before Sat...
Keeping my eye out for any more.
Cutting and pasting only has 8 thumbs up in assembly hall, far below the requirements you set for the special Gallante mission problems. Cutting and pasting should not be included. http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1280591&page=3
Quote: I assume you refer to this proposal which was raised fairly close to the cut off for submissions to the Summit. It wasn't put on any meeting agenda prior to the summit due to lack of support. If it is such a game breaking issue how come only 29 people agree (at this time). If it gains more support we can discuss it with CCP at one of the online summit meetings.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.27 01:30:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1287619
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1154020
still in time? will fix wiki's tomorrow if so
CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.27 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Edited by: Delenne Sheridan on 26/03/2010 17:08:55
Originally by: TeaDaze Edited by: TeaDaze on 25/03/2010 13:19:07 One that wasn't included from my list last time
Improve POS missile batteries Thread | Wiki
Keeping my eye out for any more.
POS batteries only has 8 thumbs up on Assembly Hall, far below the amount you said were not enough to look at the special Gallante Missions (29 was that number.) POS batteries should not be included.
It is totally discretionary.
The items she has chosen are worth discussing and she has at least posted them 24 hours in advance. Thumbs up.
You can only hope that the members of the CSM interested in PvE awaken. And in a big gift from the easter bunny.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 12:24:00 -
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I am hoping that Venkul's mineral sourcing information request is included. With over 50 supports out of less than 60 replies, it would seem to qualify.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I am hoping that Venkul's mineral sourcing information request is included. With over 50 supports out of less than 60 replies, it would seem to qualify.
I have written (today) to Z0D about that, as his platform say he is a industrial expert.
So we can hope that if it is not added this time it will be added next time.
Even if CCP reply was "we don't want to divulge the data" a simple reply saying "we have them" will be welcome. Sometime I fear that they don't gather those data normally but only for special projects.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.03.30 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I am hoping that Venkul's mineral sourcing information request is included. With over 50 supports out of less than 60 replies, it would seem to qualify.
Guess the latest dev blog sort-of indirectly addressed that issue.
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ElvenLord
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 09:50:00 -
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New devblog from CCP Chronotis is addressing what we discussed with them on summit and it seems they did most of what we suggested \o/
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.31 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 31/03/2010 23:50:17
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Malcanis I am hoping that Venkul's mineral sourcing information request is included. With over 50 supports out of less than 60 replies, it would seem to qualify.
Guess the latest dev blog sort-of indirectly addressed that issue.
Not at all.
0 data on how the minerals are produced, it only way in very vaguely terms that too many come from loot.
But the big questions are still unanswered: - CCP has up to data informations or we are still at the summer 2008 data? - they have tried to clear them of spurious data like mineral compression and recycled ships or we still have NPC non drone loot dropping morphite? - what was the effect of the mining buff done in summer and fall 2009?
If this change was based on old data CCP has any idea of what they are doing?
Elvenlord, if the CSM and CCP discussed of this stuff, the gave you some up to date info? or was the CSM opinion formed on the summer 2008 situation?
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ElvenLord
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:18:00 -
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we got up to date data, but its not that different (just few %) from 2008.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: ElvenLord we got up to date data, but its not that different (just few %) from 2008.
I.E., still with the morphite in module reprocessing, the compression items and so on?
Good, so CCP is using the lotto numbers to rebalance the game. Will be "wonderful".
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.02 09:14:00 -
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no offence but half that stuff seems pointless on op
i mean afk button really? seems a waist of time tbh sure people sit afk and if you are looking to kil someone but hes afk and you don't know and spend ages finding them then its a waist of time but that waist of time some times leads to killing something else or him coming back in the time :D
number 1 and 6 sound most important which is really worring me to ask
is the csm doing anythin latly? :p -----------------------------------------------
I met Eliminator1..... I chewed it up, and spat it out. Now, he is my minion.
I kill miners and mission runners people say, I call them target pra |
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2 no offence but half that stuff seems pointless on op
i mean afk button really? seems a waist of time tbh sure people sit afk and if you are looking to kil someone but hes afk and you don't know and spend ages finding them then its a waist of time but that waist of time some times leads to killing something else or him coming back in the time :D
number 1 and 6 sound most important which is really worring me to ask
is the csm doing anythin latly? :p
You can of course think certain items are useless but that's just you - and you are free to push for things that you think are important, but we represent more than just you
CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D |
eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.02 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: eliminator2 no offence but half that stuff seems pointless on op
i mean afk button really? seems a waist of time tbh sure people sit afk and if you are looking to kil someone but hes afk and you don't know and spend ages finding them then its a waist of time but that waist of time some times leads to killing something else or him coming back in the time :D
number 1 and 6 sound most important which is really worring me to ask
is the csm doing anythin latly? :p
You can of course think certain items are useless but that's just you - and you are free to push for things that you think are important, but we represent more than just you
but but but its my bday :( -----------------------------------------------
I met Eliminator1..... I chewed it up, and spat it out. Now, he is my minion.
I kill miners and mission runners people say, I call them target pra |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 16:58:00 -
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If your mom fails to show up I can make you feel..special..but it's gonna cost you!
CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D |
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