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Ivan En'Vec
Costolle Military Assistance Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.24 22:14:00 -
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Quote: Didn't you hear? Math makes the world go 'round
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.03.24 22:21:00 -
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Any mathematical problem is hard for those people who think that one million is a lot. --
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Miregar Shakor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk true stuff
+1; couldn't put it better myself.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 25/03/2010 12:33:49
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Lot of truth here really.
Wether people want to admit it or not, the avarage person does not think that much.
Or rather, does not think critically, and seem to lack some curiosity about the world.
Blindly accepting the world as it is is a bad thing, and just looking in this forum thread, I see the same trend.
Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
What if he simply has come to the realization that the common materealistic values in sociey has no meaning for him? Maybe he simply has a set of different values then most others?
I know I do. People may think I am wierd when I got a job that could afford me a lot more fansy housing and such (and a boat, two cars and all that ****), but yet my house is very minimalistic, because I do not value such things. I do not have boat or two cars, I take the bus frequently. Such materealistic things has no meaning for me. I however value my friends and familiy, and I prioritise to spend time with them. And I value learning and expanding my mind so I always question and think. Thoose are my values. And because of it, the common man think I am wierd. :P
I am not saying this math dude do not have an illness, but it seems he came to a realaization that the way some scientists operate is rateher unethical. And I would agree, I know a lot more "amature" scientis without PHd or formal degrees that hold true to the real scientific method more then some "recognized" scienteits. Universities also gets paied the more articles they produce (and gets more famous, more recognized etc), as such the field of akademeia is also more and more clouded by greed, and not driven by the quest for truth and knowledge as it should.
but I digress.
Edit: Also note how the headline included teh refusion of money, and not a focus on that he actually solved a math problem. Kinda sickening, and I bet if he had accepted the money there would be no article about him at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.25 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Ntrist
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Posted - 2010.03.26 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
Read what he said about why he refused, perfectly rational. Not what I would have done, but that's why he's a genius and I'm not.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.03.26 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 26/03/2010 02:11:46
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
You could be absolutely right. But you could also be absolutely wrong. The problem for us - is that we don't really know anything ourselves. All we know is what some sensationalistic journalists told us - (and yes ... I realize that "sensationalistic journalist" is a redundancy ...).
I've known alcoholics who were very clean, fastidious people.
I've lived in a house with a roach problem and had them crawl across my face at night (not fun ...) but we kept the house as clean as we could - which was pretty damn clean. But we lived in New Orleans - and the whole damn city had a roach problem.
I've also slept on a used mattress - which didn't mean it was covered with filth. It just means it wasn't new. I wouldn't have slept on it if it had been filthy. If you think about it - everyone who has ever slept in a hotel has slept on a "used" mattress.
*shrug*
Yeah - you may be right. I've no doubt that there are people who have exactly the problems you are talking about - and - this guy may well be one of them. It's just that from what we've had access to and not knowing this guy personally ... *shrug* I don't know that this is the case.
What I do know from my half century of watching television - is that "journalists" are not in the business of telling the truth. They aren't in the business of lying either - but they are in the business of selling commercial air time and news print. They are out to make money - and - if the truth serves - then fine - they'll use it - but they aren't relying on it. As Katie Couric has been quoted as quoting (perhaps partially in jest) "You can't let the facts get in the way of a good story." That's an old journalistic saying ... she didn't make it up ... which goes to show the attitude involved. A lot of the time, the jokes people tell are funny - because they are true.
*shrug*
"What's your Angle?" the Editor screamed at the cub reporter. I.E. - what is the hook to your story? How are you going to make a headline out of this that will grab peoples attention - so they'll buy our news paper?
How many times have you heard that?
Perry White (from Superman) and J. Johnah Jameson (from Spiderman) were not fabricated out of whole cloth - they were based on real people. Exaggerations certainly but - never the less - based on attitudes prevalent in journalism then and now.
At one time I watched Sixty Minutes religiously. I was a news junky. Then ... I began to realize ... that every time they did a story on something I actually knew something about - they screwed it up. EVERY FRAKKING TIME. So - what did that say for all those stories they had done - where I didn't know anything about them? I stopped watching.
I still watch the news because I still want to know what is going on in the world ... but ... I do not take ANYTHING I see at face value.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.26 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 26/03/2010 09:54:25
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
You are jumping to wild conclusions based on what a sensasionalist reporter got from what this guys neigobur said. Compleatly unfounded in other words.
Also, read my post a bit better, bascially I was trying to state that I do not know too much about him to jump to such conclusion (and that even if he lived minimally its no big deal), but what I wanted to get at was that people read this because he refused moeny, not because he solved a math problem.
And you hope to "god" I do not have anything to do with tramuaticed people? What? First of all ignoring the reference to some imaginary "god", what does such an attack on me do to get your point across? Do you even know me? Of course not, you are jsut angry it seems.
I also agree with the take on journalism in the above post, I do not have half a century of expereince, but I have lived long enough to see all the bs in the news. People stopped caring about Truth when it did not sell, and it did not seem nice. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:05:00 -
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Jebus all I said is that from the limited info it looks like the guy is suffering from some sort of mental breakdown. That I named aspergers instead of using the generic mental illness tag is my right to do in a discussion forum where you post your opinions. And that report wasn't sensational at all. It was simply conveying the story is as few words as possible due to the writer not having limitless space to do a full background investigation story. That will come later from someone else if the story catches enough interest. I think the majority of denial that the man might be sick comes from all the negative connotations that mental illness has accrued over the years. The truth is that mental illness is except in rare cases is mostly benign for the vast majority of those who are afflicted with whatever it is they have. Hell I would say that people with mental disorders have done moar for the common normal man than any other group of people in the history of the world if all these post mortem diagnosis on the movers and shakers of the past are true. Some might even say that 'normal' people which by the way is the baseline for judging whether a person has a mental 'disorder' are the ones who are the really sick ones with their sheepish ways and tendency to totaly ignore reality.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2010.03.26 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: adfadfadfawe This is an interesting letter written on behalf of Nikola Tesla. It seems like brilliant men tend to die angry and alone.
Nobody likes a smartypants. Be dumb and you will be loved...
No, seriously, there is a lot more to the story of Tesla. He was a brilliant man but some very powerful people made sure his inventions would never become public property out of their own need for power and greed. Thats why we are still on combustion engines and burning oil for energy.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.03.26 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
No Zeba - THIS - is what you said.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.27 05:19:00 -
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Whatever dude. I call em as I see em. That you disagree is totally within your rights as I have already had my say and don't feel like feeding the trolls anymoar, Bottom line is the man went from top of the world to reclusive hermit living in squalor. No rational person with a healthy mental disposition will ever do that so have fun with the rest of the thread.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.03.27 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Whatever dude. I call em as I see em. That you disagree is totally within your rights as I have already had my say and don't feel like feeding the trolls anymoar, Bottom line is the man went from top of the world to reclusive hermit living in squalor. No rational person with a healthy mental disposition will ever do that so have fun with the rest of the thread.
Yep. We've each had our say. We just disagree about the certainty of that report.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Dead Reckoning Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.27 10:08:00 -
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Is it just me or is it really really sad that there's more attention being given to his refusal of the money, than to the fact that he just solved one of the most important conjectures in topology? I mean, that's ground-breaking stuff. And here we are arguing about whether refusing a lump of cash makes a person crazy.
Good on him. He's a bloody genius. And if he does not value money, then he's clearly more enlightened than the rest of us sheep. ____________________
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly Is it just me or is it really really sad that there's more attention being given to his refusal of the money, than to the fact that he just solved one of the most important conjectures in topology? I mean, that's ground-breaking stuff. And here we are arguing about whether refusing a lump of cash makes a person crazy.
Good on him. He's a bloody genius. And if he does not value money, then he's clearly more enlightened than the rest of us sheep.
Time required to even comprehend what the guy did: at least a year of university-grade math education.
Time required to slam someone because he does not conform: zero seconds.
People are lazy, detestable roaches. As for the mathematician: I can totally agree with him. I honestly, truly wish I had that level of insight. You see, to someone burrowed deep into their field, solving a problem, and creating equations, diagrams, solutions, whatever on paper and in their brain gives much more pleasure than having a 200 room building with three swimming pools.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Woe Hole
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Posted - 2010.03.27 19:34:00 -
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omg a million is so much money! no matter how much you spent you'd still have millions left :o wot an idiot LOL!
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