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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:09:00 -
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Except I don't think that their findings mean what they think that it means. How does their findings convulsively prove the following statement?
"Prof Higgs's groundbreaking proposal was that particles acquire mass by interacting with an all-pervading field spread throughout the universe. The more they interact, the more massive and heavy they become"
It does not prove this... however I do find it very interesting (extremely so) that this article is admitting to the "gaping holes" in the current universal model. Normally if a person suggests such a thing they get burned at the stake. But here, only AFTER the fact they presume to have solved it, is ok to say so? Fellow nerds and forum trolls, guess what... they found a new particle. They did not conclusively prove the existence of the field that Higg's predicted. The article however is admitting to the holes present in the current universal model however.
So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all.
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:25:00 -
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The higgs-bosan sounds like a T2 blaster ammo type. It should have a range penalty of -99.9% to make it almost impossible to observe. The purpose of hi sec isn't to eliminate PvP but to weed out the dumb pvpers.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:26:00 -
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Yay for particle physics, the art of smashing stuff together in a particle accelerator and seeing if the results have civilian applications War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:26:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:price check Higgs-Boson Jita pls If you have to ask you cannot afford it |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:28:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Cebraio wrote:price check Higgs-Boson Jita pls If you have to ask you cannot afford it
Ebuyer
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:29:00 -
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In addition (because stuff like this really chafes my chops) take a moment to digest this little bit of trivia. We cannot actually see a particle, like we can see a cell. We cannot look at it and see what it is made out of. All we can see is the fingerprint left behind after we blow them up. So we take a beam or protons and we accelerate it to very near to the speed of light, and then we crash them together. Every time we see a signature we assume that we amazing human beings have found a new building block to our universe. But have we really found anything meaningful?
Consider This
What happens when two small meteors collide? well sometimes they explode, sometime the shatter and sometimes they stick together and become one.
Taking that into account, this supposedly "amazing" god particle appears to be a particle that has the mass of 133 protons. It only seems to exist after we crash a whole bunch of protons together at near the speed of light. So... how do we know that the protons are not just sticking together on occasion like the occasional odd meteor collision? How do we know, with any certainty, if we are finding much of anything at all? Maybe we are just crashing particles together and making them stick together like the little globs of energy that they truly are? It could be comparable to blowing bubbles with soap suds and giving each bubble a definitive name based solely upon it's size.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:06:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all.
Ah, but that's the beauty of science - its ability to recognize mistakes.
Try that with religion :) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:07:00 -
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Matar, victor! In irae, veritas. |
Sam Ruger
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Wasn-¦t the LHC supposed to destroy the world? And still were are here and able to post crap on this forums.... what a fail! Yeah. Hardcore religious people claimed that when the LHC was switched on, it would create a black hole that would instantly destroy the planet. Those crazies will come up with any excuse to keep us all in the dark ages.
We were destroyed. But then instantly the universe was brought back in its Clone. |
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:21:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all. Ah, but that's the beauty of science - its ability to recognize mistakes. Try that with religion :)
Actually science says "we don't get it now but we assume that we will eventually," where as religion says "it is all part of the divine mystery and it will be revealed to us eventually". The two are remarkably similar to one another because they both came from the same beings, that being, us humans.
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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:42:00 -
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I always thought religion said if its something bad happening to those who don't deserve its because God is simply testing us or that the lord works in mysterious ways, whereas if something good happens its clearly proof that the lord looks after its followers. |
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:43:00 -
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Anti Gravity here i come! |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:53:00 -
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The Higgs boson is like the bumpy bits on LEGO, without them nothing sticks together. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Oxford Longman
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:14:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It happens just 100m under my feet, and yes this incredible moment is another big step to our comprehension of the Universe and our place, another step to make of ignorance a myth along with the mighty economical primordial model of ours. It's a matter of time, but it will die because there's no other way for our civilisation to survive and accomplish the greatest saga of humanity, space colonisation. We had about 1000 years science stagnation because of ignorance and wars, 800 years of stagnation because of obscurantism and religion, we're making so much scientific progress since 200 years I can not believe we will not be colonising space in about 300 years. I'll be saying to y grand children, if my bones ever get there "you're living my dream, let me talk to you about internet and serious spaceships business"
What always blows my mind is how quick things have developed in 'recent' times. consider this time frame
1881 ..... Gun fight at the ok corral
1969 ...... Man walks on the moon.
88 years difference from 'cowboys' to 'space cowboys'
So some kid alive at the same time as the gun fight took place could have been alive to witness the moon landings! |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
91
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:31:00 -
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Oxford Longman wrote:What always blows my mind is how quick things have developed in 'recent' times. consider this time frame
1881 ..... Gun fight at the ok corral
1969 ...... Man walks on the moon.
88 years difference from 'cowboys' to 'space cowboys'
So some kid alive at the same time as the gun fight took place could have been alive to witness the moon landings!
It really is incredible, especially when contrasted to massive and stable empires of the past who were still almost completely technologically stagnant, some for a millennium.
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
108
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:35:00 -
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A god particle walks in to a church and the priest says "i'm glad you're here, without you we couldn't have mass." |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:54:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:In addition (because stuff like this really chafes my chops) take a moment to digest this little bit of trivia. We cannot actually see a particle, like we can see a cell. We cannot look at it and see what it is made out of. All we can see is the fingerprint left behind after we blow them up. So we take a beam or protons and we accelerate it to very near to the speed of light, and then we crash them together. Every time we see a signature we assume that we amazing human beings have found a new building block to our universe. But have we really found anything meaningful?
Consider This
What happens when two small meteors collide? well sometimes they explode, sometime the shatter and sometimes they stick together and become one.
Taking that into account, this supposedly "amazing" god particle appears to be a particle that has the mass of 133 protons. It only seems to exist after we crash a whole bunch of protons together at near the speed of light. So... how do we know that the protons are not just sticking together on occasion like the occasional odd meteor collision? How do we know, with any certainty, if we are finding much of anything at all? Maybe we are just crashing particles together and making them stick together like the little globs of energy that they truly are? It could be comparable to blowing bubbles with soap suds and giving each bubble a definitive name based solely upon it's size.
The quick answer is that a collection of protons would require neutrons, in proportion, to form a stable particle collection (remember that protons are positively charged and thus tend to repel each other). You have now produced an atomic nucleus, most likely Caesium, congrats! That leads to the stumbling block in your proposal - at the collisional energies involved, the nucleus would quickly disintergrate, leaving an obvious tell tale mess of protons, neutrons, gluons and other associated particle detritus in much the same way a criminal will leave fingerprint evidence at a crime scene.
Now, one of the greatest events in the cultural evolution of mankind was the adoption of the scientific method. A scientific hypothesis leads to testable claims. Experiments can be designed and constructed to test such claims. Observation and experimental results will either discount or strengthen a particular hypothesis. This is how our knowledge of the Universe accumilates. In the case of the Higgs particle, it just took 4 decades to test Higgs' original prediction.
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Imechal Ravpeim
4d Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:55:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all. Ah, but that's the beauty of science - its ability to recognize mistakes. Try that with religion :) Actually science says "we don't get it now but we assume that we will eventually," where as religion says "it is all part of the divine mystery and it will be revealed to us eventually". The two are remarkably similar to one another because they both came from the same beings, that being, us humans.
The difference is that religion tends to think itself finished; science(probably) never will. We always work and strive to further our understanding. We never assume it will be revealed before us.
If that's your stance on science, then I suggest you reeducate yourself. Facts do not mean understanding. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
161
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:58:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Wasn-¦t the LHC supposed to destroy the world? And still were are here and able to post crap on this forums.... what a fail! Yeah. Hardcore religious people claimed that when the LHC was switched on, it would create a black hole that would instantly destroy the planet. Those crazies will come up with any excuse to keep us all in the dark ages.
You are wrong here meny pesudo scientist even real scientist who think is possible only in theory to create mini black hole but even if this happens it dissapere faster than microsecond or somthing like this. Im christian, but im not against science and people who explain us how physics works. Whole idea about black hole generated form LHC become form people who are obesesed about doomsday etc not by religious poeple.
Somthing about lhc and black hole Btw very good chanel on youtube about physics with a lot interviews with physics Profesors, subscibe if you love physics. Teemo for president. |
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MadMuppet
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
493
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:06:00 -
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CCP version of Higgs Boson: Penalty: Using more than one type of this particle or similar particles that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized.
While the Amarr find the god particle heresy, many dyslexic Minmatar are happy to hear that the god particle is incredibly small so that they don't have to worry about stepping in it should someone not clean up after their pet. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:14:00 -
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Minimal Charisma wrote:Here's a challenge... 100M ISK for the person who explains the Higgs boson and field well enough for 50% of the world to understand.
Yes, that would be a Nobel in itself, but I'm poor.
Sadly not a EvE player. Teemo for president. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:19:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Wasn-¦t the LHC supposed to destroy the world? And still were are here and able to post crap on this forums.... what a fail! Yeah. Hardcore religious people claimed that when the LHC was switched on, it would create a black hole that would instantly destroy the planet. Those crazies will come up with any excuse to keep us all in the dark ages. You are wrong here meny pesudo scientist even real scientist who think is possible only in theory to create mini black hole but even if this happens it dissapere faster than microsecond or somthing like this. Im christian, but im not against science and people who explain us how physics works. Whole idea about black hole generated form LHC become form people who are obesesed about doomsday etc not by religious poeple. Somthing about lhc and black holeBtw very good chanel on youtube about physics with a lot interviews with physics Profesors, subscibe if you love physics.
Fear and use peoples primordial believes to rule them it's not a new tactic to keep them in their ignorance so just a few get the golden eggs, it's still used currently in each so said civilised countries where each and every day they find new laws and ideas to restrain human rights and liberty.
Science is just a problem for those as it was 2000 years ago, like it was for over 800 years from 11th to 18th. The difference being today they found a new excuse: your safety, your health and your well living.
Yet science can prove every day with rational numbers how many species are on the verge of completely disappear and the symbioses impact, how bad is the state of our natural resources. It's proven and over proven more than simple even the stupidest guy on earth can understand we're completely fools to base our economy on energy type that is going to disappear and leaving behind problems that will not be solved before several centuries. Science proved numerous times our economic model is completely absurd.
But then you try to discuss with people not believing in anything else than what comforts them TODAY because they are simply used to live under the fear they loose their job, their house and car, their comfort etc, it's more or less like the guy asking about dinosaurs and gets the answer "God put those there to test our faith!"
Millions years of evolution to get to this point is really pitiful. Hopefully some seem to evolve for the profit of all earlier monkeys. brb |
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