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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.12 10:56:00 -
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Learning skills have been an important lesson for eve players. The very fact that you need to spend the time to train to help you train faster was a re-enforcement of how important carefull and selective training is for you. It would be foolish to dismiss learning skills. Can you really say that learning skills are a time sink when we all know that learning has reduced the amount of time that we have all needed to train. Learning skills should stay.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.14 10:46:00 -
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I really donÆt understand why people say that they have seen newbieÆs quit over having to train the learning skills. I have always seen quite the contrary. ItÆs been my experience that new players see the use of learning skills at an early stage and it been one of the reasons why they choose to stay. So as I donÆt want to see newbieÆs quit to a watered down game I strongly suggest we keep learning skills.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:55:00 -
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No I donÆt support this idea.
I have only seen players encouraged by learning skills. I have never once seen a player put off by them.
Originally by: Guttripper Perhaps CCP could do away with all those pesky rank one skills like Electronics, Engineering, Gunnery, etc. since all new players MUST train them to level five to get anywhere in the game.
Since level four missions are the money makers in the game, CCP should really just remove level one to three missions, max out everyone in all the lower ships up to battleship.
You know, all these new players, and alt players, are being denied the true richness of this game by having to learn all those low level skills. So when CCP dumps the Learning skills since people are crying a tantrum, hopefully they'll really destroy this game and just max out people into a two to three year maxed out character mark.
Oh yea, sarcasm off.
This pretty much sums up how I feel.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Famble
Perhaps this is because the ones whom are truly put off by this simply stop paying their monthly fee and for all intents and purposes disappear from the game and forums. Thus why you never hear from them. I left once and am now back; I see most of my learning skills are at 4/3. Getting to 5/4 is on my list and I am NOT looking forward to it.
I completely understand what you mean. In fact there may well be people that may fall into this category. However every single new player that has been trained by myself has been trained to learn learning skills and not one, not one of them has been put off by it. They all play today. This is an observation. ItÆs not just that. I have spoken to many players in this game that I personally have not trained and I donÆt recall any of them put off by learning skills.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Black Weird how all the people who were saying "Learning skills are great because they cause all the losers to quit" are now saying "I've only seen players encouraged by learning skills". Cognitive dissonance much? If you're getting to the point that you're lying to YOURSELF and pretending you've met all these new players who think learning skills are awesome, you need to sit back and think about why you're arguing.
No. I have never said learning skills cause losers to quit. I have only observed new players encourgaed by learnings skills. I have never seen anyone quit over them ever. Please refrain from calling anyone a liar.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grayclay CCP collects data when people cancel their subscriptions. They ask why you quit.
This is well known. This may well be the reason learning skills are still in the game after 8 years. The issue of learning skills probably isnÆt raised to often.
Originally by: Grayclay
You train a handful of new players in a game with 300,000+ players,
Good point. 30 or so players who have had early stage tuition by me isnÆt a great deal. There have been many more players in game who have not received tuition from me who have never noted any complaints. I guess I must be lucky that no-one has ever complained about it...
Originally by: Grayclay none of whom quit the game because of the learning skills you told them they HAD to train.
To be precise I never told them they had to train them. I told them how it would help them and then let them decide.
Originally by: Grayclay
Obviously, your wisdom and omniscience > CCP's statistics.
What Statistics would they be? Do they exist? Or are they the statistics that have kept learning skills in the game for almost 8 years?
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: ViolenTUK on 26/06/2010 10:58:26
Originally by: Mathias Black CCP has already said they ARE removing the learning skills
No they haven't.
A few years ago they said they were considering removing them but that was a few years ago. CCP have no plans to remove learning skills. If you have evidence to the contrary please post a link and I will post a retraction.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 04/07/2010 18:54:43 Removal of learnings WILL bring more new players. I lost 6 of 7 of my buddy invites, because they didn't want to invest over 2 months into learnings before they can actually start training skills to play the game. I even offered them 200m each, but only 1 decided to subscribe. :(
Since then I no longer invited people to try out the game.
I hear these stories like this and I think of the new players that I used to train a while back and they all trained learning skills to at least a certain degree and they all carried on playing. The players I helped were very happy training the learning skills. You must understand this is my experience and I understand that other players may well have had a different experience.
Removing learning skills would anger too many people. Giving everyone learning skills would alleviate some of the possible tension that players are describing here. Learning 5/5 would be plain stupid CCP would never agree to that. Learning to 4/3 possibly since all skills would be in the sheet and it would be your choice to polish them off or not. To those who already trained the skills then the sp could be rewarded in lieu of the time spent.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 19:22:00 -
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When I used to help train newer players one thing I told them was that players of an advanced age who may have a notable difference in skill points and will tell you very often this makes little difference to your character as a whole. You maybe diversified differently. This is something IÆm pretty sure most players will tell you. Addressing an issue which I can see in this thread keeps cropping up is that of when to train the learning skills. Typically I would tell them the benefits of learning skills then let them decide. I would also advise that 2 weeks in the lifetime of a character is insignificant and as such they are not destined to train the learning skills immediately.
Taking into consideration a typical 5/4 learning plan I usually would suggest that training empathy to level 5 is rather pointless unless you feel you need a higher charisma level. In this case empathy is trained to 4 rather than 5 with the option to train it at a later stage. Some may never. A learning skill plan for a new character would in this case take 33 days. This is nothing like 2 months which some have suggested. I strongly feel I need to stress that not one player I have helped in the past has ever been put off by them. The feedback I used to get was similar to ôhey these learning skills work wellö.
Seriously if learning skills are really so much of an issue then giving new players learning skills to 4/3 with the option to completing them will meet much less hostility. Player with them already trained could be reimbursed with sp for the time it took to train them.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Demolition Men
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Posted - 2010.10.13 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: ViolenTUK on 13/10/2010 17:46:31 No I dont think removing learning skills is a good idea. Most people must understand how may people that is going to anger. I did post a thread which suggested that if the learning skills really did present a problem then giving them to everyone would anger the least amount of people.
Give away the learning skills.
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