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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:41:00 -
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Right now the largest anchorable container is the Giant Secure Container. Or GSC for short. It can hold 3,900m3.
...That is a pathetically SMALL amount of space for any real kind of use.
The main reason I see GSCs used is for mining ops. To be able to transfer ore from a miner to a hauler without using a container accessible by a can flipper.
However, the space inside a GSC is so tiny that I literally mine more m3 per cycle then there is space in the GSC.
What I am proposing is something that can be anchored with at the very least, 10,000m3. However, such a container would also have at least 10,000m3 volume to prevent storing them inside Industrials to augment cargo capacity.
Arguements against: (And why they are silly)
->This is really just a request to make mining easier. No it is not. Mining into a GSC is an incredibly bothering task, it is much easier to mine simply into a jetcan. Mining into a GSC is however, the only way to sa***aurd ore. (Other then leaving a belt).
->Get an Orca. Orcas take months to train for and cost hundreds of millions of isk. It is simply not feasible to just 'get an Orca' even if the corp you are in offers Orca services they will not always be able to play to your schedule.
->Have your hauler nearby. Doesn't work if there is somebody hovering over your can waiting to steal.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:54:00 -
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just to save people to post the same arguments against it again: features & ideas discussion thread
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Scerolikk Teromni
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Posted - 2010.03.26 21:10:00 -
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You have 3 choices:
A) Mine into a jetcan and deal with the possibility that your ore can be stolen
B) Mine into a GSC and be absolutely 100% secure from ore thieves, but with less capacity
C) Mine into several GSCs and be absolutely 100% secure from ore thieves, but have to take the time to set them up
I don't see the problem here. EVE is a game of teamwork, strategy, and skill. I don't want to see people making a fortune on their own without the help of somebody. This is what corps are for. Corps have mining ops. Corps have Orcas and Rorquals. If you can't be online when your Orcas are online, then you need to find a different corp.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.26 21:17:00 -
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Quote: I don't see the problem here.
This is exactly what i am facing! i really cannot see a problem with creating a bigger secure container, makes life easier. Have never in my life seen a single valid reason why you cannot make a big box with a lock.
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Scerolikk Teromni
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Posted - 2010.03.26 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev I cannot see any reason why we cannot give him one.
Then maybe you should read my post again. He has a big box he can put stuff into. It's called a Cargo Container. That box is insecure and lasts for one hour. If he wants a long-term secure storage container, than he's going to have to put up with the low capacity. It's a matter of balance.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.26 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Scerolikk Teromni
Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev I cannot see any reason why we cannot give him one.
Then maybe you should read my post again. He has a big box he can put stuff into. It's called a Cargo Container. That box is insecure and lasts for one hour. If he wants a long-term secure storage container, than he's going to have to put up with the low capacity. It's a matter of balance.
Jetcan is constructed in your ship, it can exceed your cargo capacity, you do not have to anchor it and place it,The giant secure container you do.and it's volume cannot exceed your ship's cargohold capacity. I still cannot see any way this would unbalance the game.
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Scerolikk Teromni
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Posted - 2010.03.26 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Scerolikk Teromni on 26/03/2010 22:49:04
Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev I still cannot see any way this would unbalance the game.
The balance lies in the ease of use vs the security from thieves. If security is more valuable than ease, use a secure container. If ease is more valuable than security, use a jet can. Those are your choices. That is the balance.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.26 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 26/03/2010 23:59:51
Quote: The balance lies in the ease of use vs the security from griefers.
fixed it for you. Nobody steals ore - or nobody does it in order to get the value of the ore. that is impractical.
Player annoyance in having to click 20 containers instead of one is not called game balance. it is called player annoyance. it is same thing as with having a limit for fleet size.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.03.27 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jerid Verges on 27/03/2010 00:17:27
Originally by: Scerolikk Teromni
C) Mine into several GSCs and be absolutely 100% secure from ore thieves, but have to take the time to set them up
You can't even put two GSCs next to each other.
Quote: I don't want to see people making a fortune on their own without the help of somebody.
Nobody is going to make a fortune mining into a GSC. They are incredibly impractical to use. Even ignoring the fact that having more space would be helpful...
GSCs are ANCHORED. Meaning in order to even move along in the belt you need to unanchor and reanchor it.
Quote: then you need to find a different corp.
I happen to like my corp. But I can't expect the corp to bloody hold my hand. Is that the kind of corp you're in?
Originally by: Scerolikk Teromni Edited by: Scerolikk Teromni on 26/03/2010 22:49:04
Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev I still cannot see any way this would unbalance the game.
The balance lies in the ease of use vs the security from thieves. If security is more valuable than ease, use a secure container. If ease is more valuable than security, use a jet can. Those are your choices. That is the balance.
So what you are saying is that you just want Miners to be defenseless. Because atm GSCs are too impractical to even put to use.
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Amberlyn Stardreamer
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Posted - 2010.03.27 17:12:00 -
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.28 00:56:00 -
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Not supported. Would make solo mining too easy and could potentially clutter up space.
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