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Louisa Flanery
Deep Space Distributors
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:53:00 -
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publishers-cannot-stop-you-reselling-your-downloaded-games
Discusse plus i would like CCP to comment on the news |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:56:00 -
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you didnt buy eve, you pay for access to a server. thats something different |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:57:00 -
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I would argue that it doesn't affect Eve online... Because we can already download the game for free... and the account + subscription has nothing to do with the new "law" |
Louisa Flanery
Deep Space Distributors
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:58:00 -
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thanks for the clear up... i wasn't really sure.. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:00:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:I would argue that it doesn't affect Eve online... Because we can already download the game for free... and the account + subscription has nothing to do with the new "law"
Might want to read the fine print before you come to a conclusion.....[
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:15:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Bubanni wrote:I would argue that it doesn't affect Eve online... Because we can already download the game for free... and the account + subscription has nothing to do with the new "law" Might want to read the fine print before you come to a conclusion.....[ The fine print doesn't cover subscriptions.
In fact, the law specifically states unlimited access (of which EVE is not in any way).
EVE is unaffected. We don't purchase EVE. We purchase server access. We cannot resell what we do not own in any way. Can't sell a rented car (well, legally). |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:48:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Bubanni wrote:I would argue that it doesn't affect Eve online... Because we can already download the game for free... and the account + subscription has nothing to do with the new "law" Might want to read the fine print before you come to a conclusion.....[ The fine print doesn't cover subscriptions. In fact, the law specifically states unlimited access (of which EVE is not in any way). EVE is unaffected. We don't purchase EVE. We purchase server access. We cannot resell what we do not own in any way. Can't sell a rented car (well, legally).
no, you are correct. but what the ruling attempts to do is give the rights of purchase and resale of that purchase back to the consumer.
its more to do with being allowed to resell a used e-book or copy of a retail disk for a single player/user program
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
MinefieldS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:41:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
no, you are correct. but what the ruling attempts to do is give the rights of purchase and resale of that purchase back to the consumer.
its more to do with being allowed to resell a used e-book or copy of a retail disk for a single player/user program
I want to see those used yellow e-books with torn out pages, doodles and underlining. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
461
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:47:00 -
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what about those who payed for the atari box? hell cant you even buy eve from steam or something like that still? PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:10:00 -
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Louisa Flanery wrote:
Discusse plus i would like CCP to comment on the news
A little trivia for you. Based on the threads I've been reading, the EVE posting community is composed of about 80% lawyers. This is an astounding statistic in itself, but even more amazingly, it would appear as though most of these internet lawyers are specialized in corporate law.
Their expert opinion would appear to be that this law will or will not affect EVE Online.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:36:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Louisa Flanery wrote:
Discusse plus i would like CCP to comment on the news
A little trivia for you. Based on the threads I've been reading, the EVE posting community is composed of about 80% lawyers. This is an astounding statistic in itself, but even more amazingly, it would appear as though most of these internet lawyers are specialized in corporate law. Their expert opinion would appear to be that this law will or will not affect EVE Online. Mr Epeen
wow man... this guy is internet smart PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:46:00 -
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GǪand search function cannot stop people from reposting the same thread eight times in a row. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:02:00 -
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WTS eve client for 1000 Gé¼
accept chriba has a third party |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:14:00 -
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Can someone close this topic? Its been discussed already to death.
No, this ruling has no part that affects eve. Eve's client software is freely available. The servers where the account and stuff are are never licensed or sold to us.
Basically, think about eve as Gmail, and the eve client as the gmail client on a smartphone. Gmail is not software, the client is.
it is really that simple. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:35:00 -
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Louisa Flanery wrote:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publishers-cannot-stop-you-reselling-your-downloaded-games
Discusse plus i would like CCP to comment on the news
I imagine CCP would be tolerantly amused by your efforts to resell the EVE client, which they give away for free. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Nirnias Stirrum
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:08:00 -
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that is so weird. i was literally only just thinking to myself that what this forum needs is another thread about this topic, because all the other ones were definitely not enough! |
Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Louisa Flanery wrote:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publishers-cannot-stop-you-reselling-your-downloaded-games
Discusse plus i would like CCP to comment on the news I imagine CCP would be tolerantly amused by your efforts to resell the EVE client, which they give away for free.
What we're not necessarily discussing here is that yes the software is free. Arguably that's true of most video games these days (to a degree). Publishers couldn't care less if i have their game installed on my system, only if i have the legal right to play it. Right now it seems to me this really says is users cannot be denied the ability to sell their "license" to the game.
So its less about selling my software (regardless of if its pure digital or not) and more about selling my rights to use said software. This could be equated more to selling your CD-key, not your actual CD/DVD. I could see recurring payments like eve being a gray area (since we never pay for indefinite use) but something like Diablo 3 which has an always online requirement, but only has a 1 time purchase price (for indefinite use) would need to be re-sellable, and currently one cannot transfer licenses between battle-net accounts like that.
(I still think CCP has nothing to worry about, since again, its not indefinite use on single purchase, though the argument could be made, if they had lifetime subs, for those players to have the right to transfer their license.) |
Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:28:00 -
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doublepost |
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ISD Dosnix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:36:00 -
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My Information is:
Quote:EVE software is free, your paying for the Account
Due to this, the selling of Accounts/Characters for real money is still forbidden because the decision of the EU-Court (EUGH) affects the re-sale of software like e.g. Microsoft Office
Kind Regards ISD Dosnix
ISD Dosnix Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:40:00 -
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GǪsoGǪ you're going to leave this thread open? Really?
I suppose that's the downside of the hate against all the rash thread locks that happened a while ago. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪsoGǪ you're going to leave this thread open? Really? I suppose that's the downside of the hate against all the rash thread locks that happened a while ago.
As above this needs locking as it was never relevant in the first place. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
ShipToaster
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:04:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Bubanni wrote:I would argue that it doesn't affect Eve online... Because we can already download the game for free... and the account + subscription has nothing to do with the new "law" Might want to read the fine print before you come to a conclusion.....[ The fine print doesn't cover subscriptions. In fact, the law specifically states unlimited access (of which EVE is not in any way). EVE is unaffected. We don't purchase EVE. We purchase server access. We cannot resell what we do not own in any way. Can't sell a rented car (well, legally). no, you are correct. but what the ruling attempts to do is give the rights of purchase and resale of that purchase back to the consumer. its more to do with being allowed to resell a used e-book or copy of a retail disk for a single player/user program
Simplest way is to write to your MEP about this and ask him or her to find out about your rights relating to this. Make a case to support your position and it could become legal to sell any digital assets associated with you.
It is the EU so always remember to mention how character, account or asset sales can be taxed instead of perceived rights. Begin |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:40:00 -
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Nnamuachs wrote:Malcanis wrote:Louisa Flanery wrote:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publishers-cannot-stop-you-reselling-your-downloaded-games
Discusse plus i would like CCP to comment on the news I imagine CCP would be tolerantly amused by your efforts to resell the EVE client, which they give away for free. What we're not necessarily discussing here is that yes the software is free. Arguably that's true of most video games these days (to a degree). Publishers couldn't care less if i have their game installed on my system, only if i have the legal right to play it. Right now it seems to me this really says is users cannot be denied the ability to sell their "license" to the game. So its less about selling my software (regardless of if its pure digital or not) and more about selling my rights to use said software. This could be equated more to selling your CD-key, not your actual CD/DVD. I could see recurring payments like eve being a gray area (since we never pay for indefinite use) but something like Diablo 3 which has an always online requirement, but only has a 1 time purchase price (for indefinite use) would need to be re-sellable, and currently one cannot transfer licenses between battle-net accounts like that. (I still think CCP has nothing to worry about, since again, its not indefinite use on single purchase, though the argument could be made, if they had lifetime subs, for those players to have the right to transfer their license.)
You can sell your car but you can't sell your driving license. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:48:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Bubanni wrote:I would argue that it doesn't affect Eve online... Because we can already download the game for free... and the account + subscription has nothing to do with the new "law" Might want to read the fine print before you come to a conclusion.....[ The fine print doesn't cover subscriptions. In fact, the law specifically states unlimited access (of which EVE is not in any way). EVE is unaffected. We don't purchase EVE. We purchase server access. We cannot resell what we do not own in any way. Can't sell a rented car (well, legally).
All those EU morons did was ensure that every game will now be by subscription.
"Please sir, can I have some more terrible regulations?"
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