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Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.07 15:52:00 - [31] If you don't think everything you do in EVE is about PVP, you're not only incorrect, you're ignorant. Yes, even missions. OP, you've received lots of good advice, and you're persisting in shaking your tiny fists in rage because the game doesn't work the way you want it to. I think at this point the best advice I can offer is to close your accounts and find a game that better suits your playstyle, because this one is not it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think a clean break would be better than all the tears.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.04.07 16:01:00 - [32] Unless you have some sort of mining operation that keeps you in the region that they prowl, just ignore them and move somewhere else. If you are a mission runner, fit a cloak and run couriers for a while. If they can't see you, they can't shoot you. Most wardecs can be avoided with a little common sense. The EVE universe is a really big place and unless these guys really, really hate you they are not going to follow you to another region to keep bugging you. They will most likely want to stay where they are comfortable, have their bookmarks and know the docking radius of all the stations. Remember that high sec griefer corps are, for the most part, cowards and will not go where they might lose a ship. Or just fight back. On your terms, not theirs. You might just end up having a little fun. Mr Epeen
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.04.07 16:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Leilani Masters They want me to apologize and pay a ***load of cash, because they cannot handle a few rough words. Aha! Rule 1 of Eve survival. If you're gonna Talk the Talk, make damn sure you can Walk the Walk As others have mentioned reputation is important in Eve, there are many corps out there who will make a point of hitting you hard for smacking. Not because they are offended or upset, but simply to make a point. And one of the main points is that you* are responsible for your actions, and the consequences thereof. This thread already contains a large amount of useful advice. Follow it/ don't follow it, your choice. Either way, enjoy the consequences. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Ryhss Caldari 42nd Airborn	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Jimer Lins @OP: You've gotten some good advice in this thread. It'll probably get moved to the Crime and Punishment forum soon, where people who are far nastier than the ones we've seen so far will pile on. However, I'm going to echo some of the advice given thus far: Fight back. This is the best way you can do something about it. Do it smart- don't undock into the middle of a massive stationcamp, but fit cheap ships and hunt wolfpack style. Learn how PVP works. You blow up one expensive HAC with a fleet of Rifters and you could lose every one of your ships and still have done more damage ISK-wise than you took. Tip: ISK is the winner, not ships destroyed. As above, you want to kill more value, not more ships. If you're damaging an efficiency rating and/or costing a lot of cash, they'll back off. Ally with friends. If you have other mates around, whom you trust at least a bit, have them wardec your aggressors and fly with you for the duration. Don't expect numbers to just win the game, but the difference can be big, especially if you work carefully together. Hire mercs. If the target's too small, Noir. probably won't be interested but there are always a lot of mercs up for some fun who take on smaller targets for varying fees. Maybe Privateers- they'll do it for the cost of a wardec. Check C&P forum for lots of good ideas. Buyer beware, though. Wait them out. Boring, if effective. Just train a long skill, set up an alt and mess around while they spend ISK on non-existent targets. Drop to NPC corps. Boring, if effective. Don't corphop, but if you drop to an NPC corp and leave the regular one with a holding alt, you can come back to it in a few months once things have cooled off. Long story short: This is YOUR sandbox. You're letting some pantywaists kick over your sand castle. There's ways to address the problem, but CCP is not going to change the central mechanic of this game because it makes you unhappy. It's a dark, harsh universe and everything costs somebody something. I like these Noir guys, intelligent post.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Abbot Laarkin Originally by: Leilani Masters They want me to apologize and pay a ****load of cash, because they cannot handle a few rough words. Aha! Rule 1 of Eve survival. If you're gonna Talk the Talk, make damn sure you can Walk the Walk Yeah, pretty much sums it up. To OP: You shat in someone's garden, buddy and you're gonna pay. Welcome to the universe of a single-shard, where your actions DO have consequences.
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Leilani Masters 3. I am not in this game to play PVP. People who say that EVE is all about PVP: BULL, there's a lot more you can do without PVP. Ok great, why are you complaining then? Just go about your business without PVP just as you claim you can. That one was an easy solve. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:26:00 - [37] Perhaps your mouth shouldn't write checks your butt can't cover. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Concubinia Scarlett	Posted - 2010.04.07 19:07:00 - [38] Just surrender everytime ur decced. Think it only costs about 25 mil to surrender a wardec with no adverse effects. Its totaly lame and not very EVE but it might be right up your street.
Leilani Masters Amarr The Ladies Corporation	Posted - 2010.04.07 22:46:00 - [39] Forget I even started a post.... GM/mod, please delete this one, could you please?
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.07 23:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Leilani Masters Forget I even started a post.... GM/mod, please delete this one, could you please? Translation: "I came to the forums to whine and expected everyone to agree with me. Now that I realize they don't and I'm reaping even more consequences for my actions and refusing to accept the very solid advice offered, I'm going to be passive-aggressive and stalk off in a huff." When you do cancel your accounts, can I have your stuff? Blog and Podcast - Twitter: DeclareWar
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2010.04.08 02:08:00 - [41] HTFU This is Eve and it will be here long after your gone.
Graelyn Amarr Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.08 02:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Leilani Masters Forget I even started a post.... GM/mod, please delete this one, could you please? Hehheh, yeah, that's not going to happen either. -------
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.04.08 03:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Cipher Jones If you've ever wondered why eve is the smallest MMO, now you know. Fanbois flame away all you want but the truth comes in but one flavor, bitter. Actually, it's far from the smallest MMO, and has enjoyed continual growth, too. Chart's a bit dated, but the trend continues. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.04.08 03:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Leilani Masters I would like to see that it's possible for CCP to intervene in an ongoing wardec-situation. I have been wardecced 3 times by the same corporation now, and they say they will keep on wardeccing me until I pay the money they want. Every wellthinking person knows, that if I do pay, they'll keep asking for money (blackmail). I sent a petition to CCP 3 times, claiming harassment, but CCP says it's game mechanics. Well, I'm sorry, but this sure is harassment! I have closed 1 of 3 accounts already, and a 2nd will soon follow. Go CCP, you're losing a paying customer because of this crap!!! I just wanna play the game without being bullied by some idiots! 3 slots in each account means you can have 9 corps to switch between to waste their time with.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.04.08 04:29:00 - [45] If anyone is wondering where the derogatory term "carebear" comes from, this is pretty much it. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.04.08 04:43:00 - [46] This thread was a good laugh, Leil, you obviously either don't belong in EvE, or you are trolling. A) You don't belong, you never will. Not trying to be a **** here, it's the truth. Eve has a pretty high subscription base, but it's nothing compaired to WoW because Eve IS harsh and you will get "PvP" no matter if you like it or not. B) You're trolling, in which case well done, you've gotten quite a few responses and humor was had all around, 8/10, would have been a 9 had the rest of your corp ragequit closed accounts with you, although you do have 3 that are leaving... I'll give it an 8.5
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.08 04:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Cipher Jones If you've ever wondered why eve is the smallest MMO, now you know. Smallest MMO? EVE is far from the smallest MMO (I assume you're talking about subscriber numbers). EVE is actually fairly high up there comparatively after WoW (which has far away and away more subscribers than any other MMO). There are hundreds of MMOs out there and there are many far smaller and far more obscure than EVE. Your point is valid though, and I think it's a good thing that EVE is fairly niche and not for everyone. The MMO world does not need more games trying to be WoW clones.
Cyrus Deacon	Posted - 2010.04.08 05:02:00 - [48] ... This is EVE. Figure it out.
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.08 05:15:00 - [49] /me remembers 3 months of wardecs last summer
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.04.08 05:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Cipher Jones If you've ever wondered why eve is the smallest MMO, now you know. Fanbois flame away all you want but the truth comes in but one flavor, bitter. >eve is the smallest MMO HAHAHAHA Oh, wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder. EVE is nowhere even close to being the smallest MMO. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Nightshade Mary	Posted - 2010.04.08 07:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Vaal Erit If anyone is wondering where the derogatory term "carebear" comes from, this is pretty much it. The first time I heard the term carebear was when the original Ultima Online was split into a pvp and non-pvp section. Of course the non-pvp being "carebear land".
Paknac Queltel Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.04.08 08:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Leilani Masters I'll quote this message, but you sent more responses. 1. I don't abuse the pet-system, so cut the crap 2. They wardecced me 3 times, and will continue to do so, because they say I have a debt to pay, which is a load of bull... They want me to apologize and pay a ****load of cash, because they cannot handle a few rough words. Look what they are saying themselves in the dutch channel..... I'll not repeat anything here, but it's really rude and abusive. 3. I am not in this game to play PVP. People who say that EVE is all about PVP: BULL, there's a lot more you can do without PVP. 1. Well, you're free to use the petition system as much as you want, of course, but many of us do consider such useless duplicate petitions when you've already had your answer to be abuse of the system. 2. Pay them then, or hire some people to take care of them. 3. Without PVP, nothing in EVE would be worth doing, as the massive oversupply of carebears doing their thing totally unhampered would completely kill the market. - Paknac Queltel
elenasa	Posted - 2010.04.08 08:29:00 - [53] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Originally by: Cipher Jones If you've ever wondered why eve is the smallest MMO, now you know. Fanbois flame away all you want but the truth comes in but one flavor, bitter. Actually, it's far from the smallest MMO, and has enjoyed continual growth, too. Chart's a bit dated, but the trend continues. What's the source of this information - whoever left out World of Warcraft couldn't be that professional. Nevertheless, Eve is definitley found within a niche genre that will probably continue to grow as more people get bored with themepark games (just my hypothesis). The growth in popularity of Second Life (Eve 'without' consequences) may add some substance to that idea.
Leilani Masters Amarr The Ladies Corporation	Posted - 2010.04.08 09:34:00 - [54] What some of you people don't seem to understand, is that these guys won't leave me alone when I go to an NPC corp. They will resort to suicide ganking and they will keep on harassing me with convo's and evemails etc. And I don't believe them when they say, that if I pay then they will leave me alone. and 800 mil is not an amount I'm willing to risk a GTC for.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.04.08 09:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Leilani Masters What some of you people don't seem to understand, is that these guys won't leave me alone when I go to an NPC corp. They will resort to suicide ganking and they will keep on harassing me with convo's and evemails etc. And I don't believe them when they say, that if I pay then they will leave me alone. and 800 mil is not an amount I'm willing to risk a GTC for. Mercs may well be the answer here then. However... Have you tried speaking to their diplo/ Ceo in a reasonable, non-profane and polite manner? Perhaps apologising for whatever action/ comment it was that you made to set this off (explaining it was ooc and heat-of-the-moment kind of thing)? Tried to negotiate a lower payment due to financial circumstances etc? Added to this, while wardeccing and ganking you is not going to get very far in a petition, e-mails and convo's depending on the nature and content may well be petionable under the rules regarding Harassment. Your behaviour is apparently what sparked this off, how you react to the situation will often determine the ease with which you can solve it. Try to keep your cool, be polite and reasonable in any/ all correspondence. If this fails then your only choice (other than previous suggestions) is to look at it as an important lesson in how to comport yourself in a single-server game with direct player-driven consequences. Final solution is sell char and either create new one or buy new one. Not ideal, but will allow you to move on having learnt something valuable. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.04.08 09:56:00 - [56] Lei, it's quite simple. You smacked someone, probably offended them in some way, now you feel the consequences. They request a ransom, which is perfectly normal in a war situation, and an apology. If they have a bit of humor you could probably get away with a written statement on the forums or maybe singing a song in their audio channel (singing is how I got rid of my first ransom in lowsec \o/). You're not into pvp? that's fine. Join a corp/alliance that has an industrial wing which is protected by the pewpew minded people in there who make use of your industrial skills (if you have those) and get cheap ships and such. You ticked them off, now you see what that can do in EVE. Threatening to close your account won't do a thing, CCP couldn't care less about 3 accounts. Petitioning about wardecs is useless, since they just utilize the game mechanics, as do you by hopping corporations and such. If it is true, like you say, that they resort to suicide ganking you when you hop to NPC corp, that COULD be harassment, but you should fork over some kill mails to show that since I have a hard time believing this. Final advice: If you don't want war, quit the smack and join a corp that can actually manage some guys pewing at you.
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.08 11:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Blasphemour If it is true, like you say, that they resort to suicide ganking you when you hop to NPC corp, that COULD be harassment, but you should fork over some kill mails to show that since I have a hard time believing this. Well if someone's going to jump to an npc corp to avoid a wardec, they are simply doing what they have to do to continue with their goals. Hiding in NPC corps is not guaranteed immunity. OP's problem is clearly in his/her attitude. I can't imagine any in game diplomacy attempts going smoothly if he/she talks in the way shown in this thread. ----
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.08 11:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Leilani Masters What some of you people don't seem to understand, is that these guys won't leave me alone when I go to an NPC corp. They will resort to suicide ganking and they will keep on harassing me with convo's and evemails etc. And I don't believe them when they say, that if I pay then they will leave me alone. and 800 mil is not an amount I'm willing to risk a GTC for. Then USE ONE OF THE OTHER SOLUTIONS AVAILABLE! Wether you beleive it or not, There's plenty of ways to end a situation like this, Whining on the forums, Threatening to cancel your account if CCP doesn't "Do something about it" and spamming petitions about a non-petitionable issue, even when you've already had your answer from the GMs is NOT one of those solutions however. ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit!
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.04.08 11:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Leilani Masters They want me to apologize and pay a **load of cash, because they cannot handle a few rough words. You have a big mouth and it got you in trouble. Originally by:** Leilani Masters 3. I am not in this game to play PVP. People who say that EVE is all about PVP: BULL, there's a lot more you can do without PVP. Like smack talking complete strangers, wasting GMs time and complaining on the forums?
Riedle Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.04.08 12:16:00 - [60] Being an asshat in eve has consequences. I, for one, salute your glorious oppressors.

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