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Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.31 05:55:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Affinity wrote: Incursion changes (including the OTA change) were not planned for the August release at all, we just felt it was important to not leave this issue until Winter. Hopefully after August 8th we will see an improvement in both Vanguards and Community spirit :)
Well thanks for the earlier then planned release then, I hope it breathes life into null/lo sec Incursions too. lol Community spirit right now is about to blow up into threatened wardecks & Blackbird squads again it'll be fun watching the farmers threaten each other with pitchforks again.
Didn't you say that you rage quit over incursions?
I see the true incursion carebear stench in you. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:12:00 -
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From the CSM notes I can easily draw the conclusion that the CSM doesn't have a clue about the Incursion communities. There was not a peep about how we all knew that the 'rollback' would be a complete farce and they didn't even know how badly we were decimated by the Escalation nerf until CCP showed them.The distinct impression I got from the CSM is they'd rather see it die since it doesn't affect their interests
Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr soist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:41:00 -
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CCP Affinity one problem with your idea about having scouts as a mini Vanguard trainning area is that you still need someone to FC them that has done it before. Currently we train newbies by vetting thier ideas about fits & then giving them a full taste of a site by throwing them in the deepend but with a big watchfull eye after we make sure they know what tags & broadcasting is.
Still I sort of like the idea but you better not iclude any scramblers inside the sites else it'll become a graveyard and turn off potential Incursion runners before we get to throw them into the deepend without floaties...
Also with scouts not sure how you'll get 5 or so newbies together & include 2 logistics when regular fleets are desperate for logistics unless you are going to have these mini vanguards logi-less which doesn't really train someone upfor any other Incursion site because without logistics not a single non scout can be completed. I guess you can try to have them spider tank (but that will leave them with the impression that spider tanking is viable in any other sitewhich it is not and was especially proved in the original NCNs ) Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr soist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.02 21:32:00 -
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...Yep, still ******
*goes back to running anoms* Dont mind me, -ájust touching your stuff. |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:09:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Affinity one problem with your idea about having scouts as a mini Vanguard trainning area is that you still need someone to FC them that has done it before. Currently we train newbies by vetting thier ideas about fits & then giving them a full taste of a site by throwing them in the deepend but with a big watchfull eye after we make sure they know what tags & broadcasting is.
I guess I'm curious if you're going to want these scout site groups to be fleeted?
Still I sort of like the idea but you better not include any scramblers inside the sites else it'll become a graveyard and turn off potential Incursion runners before we get to throw them into the deepend without floaties... Current scout sites work without a deadspace acell gate your current thinking thinking continueing that?
Also with scouts not sure how you'll get 5 or so newbies together & include 2 logistics when regular fleets are desperate for logistics unless you are going to have these mini vanguards logi-less which doesn't really train someone upfor any other Incursion site because without logistics not a single non scout can be completed. I guess you can try to have them spider tank (but that will leave them with the impression that spider tanking is viable in any other sitewhich it is not and was especially proved in the original NCNs )
Hope above is help full. An Incursion wading pool that helps us point potenial Incursioners to try out is alot beter then the elitist 'your fit sucks' mantra I always hear.
I think what you should take from the summit minutes is that Incursions is not being forgotten. It was high on my priority list to discuss with the CSM and, while the ideas were still very high level - we wanted to make sure everything mentioned was included in the minutes. CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:22:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:
I think what you should take from the summit minutes is that Incursions is not being forgotten. It was high on my priority list to discuss with the CSM and, while the ideas were still very high level - we wanted to make sure everything mentioned was included in the minutes.
I think you & Soundwave are the only ones that hadn't forgotten about Incursions.
What I took from the summer minutes was that the CSM was clueless about how the Incursion communities were decimated until CCP Soundwave told them "Soundwave sheepishly mentioned CCP broke incursions and showed the CSM a graph depicting the drop off in incursions activity. There were many GÇ£Ohhh snapsGÇ¥ around the table."
CSM gave me a distinct impression of Schadenfreude (or skadefryd ): "The massive drop off of Vanguard sites was praised since they were relatively risk-free ISK."
And they buy into the forum trolls' lies assertion incursions are 100% risk free: "Soundwave pointed out that people do die in incursions at rates higher than some other kinds of PvE content"
While only caring about thier own interests: "UAxDEATH would like to know how any of that related to null sec," BTW: UAxDEATH could have been informed not a single MOM site has been destroyed in NULL since the Escalation NERF and beore the nerf they were being run more and more often in NULL which could be attested by CCP Diagoras ( were is he anyways seems like he fell of the face of the earth is he one o the DEVs that had a kid orsomething? )
The after impression is that the CSM would rather see us wither and die: "Seleene then asked if Incursions were ever going to end." =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:40:00 -
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In the CSM notes you mentioned looking into Concord LP store expansion I overheated my brain trying to figure out what'd be good items for newbies would be to get them into fleets... not alot although maybe a Concord equilvalent to the Sansha Purloined Codebreaker that is actually usefull (ie: does not have to be fitted on the useless 1 mid Echelon ) that'd hack towers faster?
Also usefull would be Concord webifiers becuase I think that is one item used extensively by all fleets armour & shield. Of course I'd like the range to be 20km+ but the 14kn Fed Navy ones seem to be the most used becuase those pesky Incursion frigates allways just hangout righ at 10.1km just out o the range of t1&t2 webbiiers.
Strange that we have all those capitol mod BPCs although a the beginning days o the Incursions I recall they were the big sellers to NULL fetching many 9k ISK per LP I think the flooding of the market has reduced Cocord LP value to ~750 ISK per LP. I now only use my 4.5 million pile of LP to buy faction crystals(ammo) for personal use & have 2 clones with full of 6% Concord implants in all slots and won't buy anymore because I liketo reserve my other clones for NULL SEC jaunts =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.11 08:00:00 -
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Even with the changes, it's super hard to get people and fleet together. We tried to form up a fleet but ended waiting for 1 hour for people, then fleet disbanded because we couldn't get 10 people.
I guess no-one is doing incursions anymore.
I also want to know why do we get 10.395 mil instead of 10.5 mil if we get 10 people doing incursions ? Since ccp "Unnerfed" incursions we should get 10.5 mil per tick for 10 people. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.11 17:36:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Even with the changes, it's super hard to get people and fleet together. We tried to form up a fleet but ended waiting for 1 hour for people, then fleet disbanded because we couldn't get 10 people. I guess no-one is doing incursions anymore. I also want to know why do we get 10.395 mil instead of 10.5 mil if we get 10 people doing incursions ? Since ccp "Unnerfed" incursions we should get 10.5 mil per tick for 10 people.
It may take a bit for peeps to trickle back to Incursions even though the Wall of OTAs(TM) has been brought down. Another thing is that the icks in no way are as quick as they were pre NERF so expect the non-social farmers to stay in FW speedtank frigats until the LP item market crashes big time... sort of a good thing IMHO because FW needed some love & although I doubt they like the farmer luv a few o them will inevitably stick to lo sec.
I suggest you may want to check out one of the more traditional chat channels like "The Ditanian leet" for armour or "BTL PUB", tvp, or ISN for shield fleets in the mean time because that is where many weathered out the Escalation nerf bat decimation.
As for the 10.395 versus 10.5 programmer DEVs can't do math I blame the Icelandic education system. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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