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Broken Kaos
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Posted - 2010.04.12 13:47:00 -
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Hey,
Over the time I have been playing EVE I have noticed some problems with my computer shutting off out of no where. I have had people tell me that it's either Over-Heat, which I have a fan running to keep it from doing so, so now it must be my RAM. Is this so? How do I fix it?
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.12 13:50:00 -
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no, esc | display and graphics | advanced | set present interval = one -- | Capital |
Eva Aerie
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Posted - 2010.04.12 13:50:00 -
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It's probably overheating.
Pop your case open and check your heat sink, it's probably packed full of dust. Clean it out and you'll *probably* solve your problem.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 14:25:00 -
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Its a thermal shutdown due to either your cpu or gpu. If you dont know how to troubleshoot it take it to a professional. This is clearly a signature. |
Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:16:00 -
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The trial version of Everest (by Lavasys) allows you to read out the thermal sensors installed in the various components of your PC, just leave it running in the background and Alt-Tab every now and then into Everest to see if CPU/GPU temperature is still within a reasonable range.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:40:00 -
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Make sure there are no other cards seated right next to your video card, which may block the fan (if your card has one). Even if your card doesn't have a fan, try not to put other cards next to it. If your card does have a fan, take the card out and make sure there's no dust keeping the fan from working. It's more than likely your video card overheating.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:01:00 -
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Probably a heat issue. You can try removing your case cover which can reduce temp by 10 degrees. If that "fixes" or delays the problem, then you need to futz with your heat sink(s).
It could also be a BIOS problem that's started to conflict with an OS patch/upgrade. Upgrading your BIOS could be worth a try, just remember to backup your existing BIOS first.
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K'uata Sayus
IntelCor
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: K''uata Sayus on 12/04/2010 16:40:43 Linkage
This is a thread in "Issues and Workarounds" about random crashes.
You may not be alone. Take a number and be seated.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.04.12 17:45:00 -
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Pwoer outs on computers can be the result of many things, overheating being one of them. Another thing I've heard is corrupt ram chips, and some bios settings (these can also relate to the ram chips).
But some time ago, I had this problem. This is why I know of the many resons for it happening. However, none of the reasons mentioned were the problem in my case. In fact, my problem was simply put a corrupt page file. The soution was to delete the page file by dusabling it, and re-enabling it again.
This was with windows XP, so if you're running another OS, this might not apply to you. It's worth a try before going off to buy new ram though.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.12 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 12/04/2010 17:59:19
Originally by: Fille Balle Pwoer outs on computers can be the result of many things, overheating being one of them. Another thing I've heard is corrupt ram chips, and some bios settings (these can also relate to the ram chips).
But some time ago, I had this problem. This is why I know of the many resons for it happening. However, none of the reasons mentioned were the problem in my case. In fact, my problem was simply put a corrupt page file. The soution was to delete the page file by dusabling it, and re-enabling it again.
This was with windows XP, so if you're running another OS, this might not apply to you. It's worth a try before going off to buy new ram though.
While this can fix some problems, be very, very careful about messing with your page file, XP/2000 has a tendancy to do some really weird things if the pagefile size is set less than windows would like it to be, or turned off. While it usually goes ok doing this, if something weird happens you will have a whole mess of crap to do to fix it. Having windows zero out your pagefile on reboot is a safer method of fixing a corrupt page file. It's under Administrative Tools > Local Security Policy > Security Options > Shutdown: Clear virtual memory pagefile. Enable it for one restart, then disable after you reboot, otherwise it will take forever for your system to restart later.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
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el Sabor
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:26:00 -
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Had a similar issue when running more than one client. In my case it was overheating... had to disembowel the laptop to get the the heatsinks.
Like a poster above said clean out your fans and heatsinks before you go looking for problems with more expensive solutions.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:36:00 -
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protip:
Cleaning out all of your PC's fans and heatsinks regularly can drop your temps 10C. Doing this every 3 months or more often is becoming a requirement as modern CPUs are consuming 100W+ by themselves. Add a modern GPU, and you are basically running a 250W space heater.
If you think your problem is heat-related, remove your case cover. If the problem goes away with the cover off, it's heat.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.04.12 19:47:00 -
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Also dont forget that random shut downs can be caused by the beginning of a failure cascade with your power supply.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 20:16:00 -
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Get yourself a program that can read out the sensor in your computer. While not entirely accurate, they can give a indication if it's overheating. I use Everest, though there are a plethora of similar programs.
Happened to me when I managed to get something stuck in my CPU fan after un-dusting the interior and it suddenly shut down without warning. Booted it up, checked the sensors and found the CPU at 80ŚC and the fan not showing info. A minute of fiddling and a air blast later, the computer was running again fine with both fans at normal rpm and the CPU at 30ŚC. --------
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el Sabor
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury protip: Cleaning out all of your PC's fans and heatsinks regularly can drop your temps 10C. Doing this every 3 months or more often is becoming a requirement as modern CPUs are consuming 100W+ by themselves
You think laptop manufacturers would have started making them easier to get to by now. Why is there not a little hatch!?!
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shady trader
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: el Sabor
Originally by: Doc Fury protip: Cleaning out all of your PC's fans and heatsinks regularly can drop your temps 10C. Doing this every 3 months or more often is becoming a requirement as modern CPUs are consuming 100W+ by themselves
You think laptop manufacturers would have started making them easier to get to by now. Why is there not a little hatch!?!
There is a simple reason for that, money transfer from you to them.
Most laptops not used for gaming take a significant while before they build up level of gunk that they need to start having thermal problems. By this time several things have happened. 1) its out of warrently 2) The average laptop owner is non tech and cannot do there own basic maintenance. 3) The average tech support person on minimum wage and sales commission in places like PC world, Will claim the motherboard needs replacing but you might want to consider upgrading as the laptop in question is old. 4)The Laptop manufacture will have a new model with a go faster strip they want you to by.
Laptop manufacturers (and most big company's) would probably like to tie you to only using there overpriced accessories like mice if they could get away with it. After all Microsoft did no get to were it is today by making software that was easy to maintain and lasted for years. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: FreddyMac Also dont forget that random shut downs can be caused by the beginning of a failure cascade with your power supply.
This too. I had random shutdowns because of malfunctioning PSU.
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Taedrin
Gallente Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Y Berion
Originally by: FreddyMac Also dont forget that random shut downs can be caused by the beginning of a failure cascade with your power supply.
This too. I had random shutdowns because of malfunctioning PSU.
It should be noted that if this is happening, then you want to replace the PSU ASAP. WHen a PSU starts failing, it can start supplying the computer with "dirty" power, causing an overvoltage or undervoltage which can damage or destroy computer parts. Some PSUs are actually designed to become permanently disabled safely before this happens. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.04.13 01:00:00 -
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Go to the BIOS and quadruple the memory voltage. That'll sort it.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 13/04/2010 04:54:23 Everything I'm going to say has already been said but I'm going to say it anyway.
A fan does not a cool computer make. A free utility called Speedfan can help monitor your computer's thermal sensors. Go check it out. If you're hovering around 70 - 80 - 90 degrees celcius, heat is probably your problem.
Heat generally will force a computer to shutdown as it attempts to save itself from burning out the CPU. As far as I'm aware all modern (within the last 2 - 4 years) CPUs have such protections. An AMD CPU over 3 - 4 years old I wouldn't be so sure. They used to happily burn themselves out without a care in the world. Shutdowns due to heat sometimes will be proceeded by slow, poor system performance.
Bad memory (RAM) can cause shutdowns. But, more often it'll just cause a hard lockup or a reboot.
Bad video can cause shutdowns. But, more often it'll be proceeded with corrupted graphics, lock ups, reboots.
Bad power supply can cause shutdowns. But more often, weird issues you won't even connect with being a power supply problem. PSU's, if bad, tend to either work causing weird systemic issues or not work at all.
What to do? First, get speed fan, check your thermal situation. If that's the cause then you may need to blow out your computer, remove your heatsink and fan and reapply fresh thermal paste. Possibly buy a better heatsink. If you're using a stock heatsink and fan chances are by applying a better thermal compound like artic silver 5 can provide increased cooling over the stock thermal pad put in by the manufacturer.
If it's RAM or video issues there are some utilities out there to test those. Google is your friend. Diagnostics, however, only tend to find the problem if and when they occur. So let those diags run multiple times over the course of a day or two if it's not finding results sooner.
If it's the PSU, get another one. There's really no way to test it other than to replace it unless you want to buy specialized equipment/devices that I do not suggest.
If none of this really means anything to you, get help.
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N Ano
Caldari Onyx Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.13 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Go to the BIOS and quadruple the memory voltage. That'll sort it.
U mad. Damn I wish I had me a Chimera |
Broken Kaos
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Posted - 2010.04.14 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Broken Kaos on 14/04/2010 01:11:34 Thank you EVEryone,
Mr Kidd, you were a big help. I downloaded SpeedFan and I guess I'll see how I do. If Overheating goes on any longer than I'll have to get that Arctic Silver 5 and heatsinks and fans, maybe.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:56:00 -
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my laptop would overheat alot, all i had to do was open up the bottom and blow into the main fan exhaust for a few clumps of dust. works great now. if its a desktop just open and clear dust.. also make sure you have proper ventilation..
i dont see ram making your PC shut down only during eve.
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Sanzorz
Amarr Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.14 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS no, esc | display and graphics | advanced | set present interval = one
If you don't crash in any other games except for EVE, then this is the only option. I had it myself at some point, changed the interval and haven't had a crash since.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.14 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Taxesarebad my laptop would overheat alot, all i had to do was open up the bottom and blow into the main fan exhaust for a few clumps of dust. works great now. if its a desktop just open and clear dust.. also make sure you have proper ventilation..
i dont see ram making your PC shut down only during eve.
These not only help keep your laptop cool, but it cuts down on the amount of dust getting inside, they're really a must if you're going to game on your laptop anyways.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
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