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SilverSkyy
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Posted - 2010.04.13 12:50:00 -
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Hi all, i'm new on the inventions, so like a good boy i'm reading guides about inventions, but some questions spin in my mind. 1) For an invention i must use a BPC from a researched BPO or don't matter the ME and PE level of the BPC? 2) It's worth to buy the best decryptor for the inventions like "Assembly Instructions" for a new inventor like me? 3) For invention using i must make a BPC with max runs or not?
Thanks to all that will help me with this questions!
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.04.13 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy Hi all, i'm new on the inventions, so like a good boy i'm reading guides about inventions, but some questions spin in my mind. 1) For an invention i must use a BPC from a researched BPO or don't matter the ME and PE level of the BPC? 2) It's worth to buy the best decryptor for the inventions like "Assembly Instructions" for a new inventor like me? 3) For invention using i must make a BPC with max runs or not?
Thanks to all that will help me with this questions!
1) it doesn't matter. 2) it depends. There is no single ready answer. Rule of thumb, don't bother with decryptors if you invent modules (which I assume you will do). Also, strictly speaking there is no such thing as best decryptor. 3)if you use decryptors, then yes. If not, then no.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.04.13 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Di Mulle 3)if you use decryptors, then yes. If not, then no.
Not quite correct.
If you want to invent ships without decryptors you can use single run copies. Inventing modules or ships with decryptors use always max run copies! Otherwise you will loose runs on your invented T2 bpc!
See also http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention#Invention_BPC_Runs
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Kritinana
Minmatar The New Mexican Connection
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Posted - 2010.04.13 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: Di Mulle 3)if you use decryptors, then yes. If not, then no.
Not quite correct.
If you want to invent ships without decryptors you can use single run copies. Inventing modules or ships with decryptors use always max run copies! Otherwise you will loose runs on your invented T2 bpc!
See also http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention#Invention_BPC_Runs
Not quite clear. Like many things in invention there isn't always an "always" answer. Using a max run bpc for ships w/ decryptor gives you 1 extra run on the bpc. This may or may not be worth it depending on several things (price of decryptor/which decryptor/profit margins per unit). Often it's worth it to skip the 'max run' on ships in lieu of a higher volume of inv. jobs in a given period of time.
But, do always use a max run for modules. You don't want to waste the $$ on datacores etc. just to get yourself a 1 run bpc for a module. Max run will yeild a 10 run bpc on successful jobs. & yes, generally decryptors are not worth the $$ on module jobs.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.04.13 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Emporer Norton on 13/04/2010 14:45:12 Also is 1 decrypter w/o runs bonus so better to use with 1 run ship/rig invention And for modules with very long copy times some people use 1 run bpcs
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2010.04.13 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy 2) It's worth to buy the best decryptor for the inventions like "Assembly Instructions" for a new inventor like me?
A decryptor makes a single invention run more expensive. It may offer additional production runs (i.e reduce the cost-to-invent) from that invention run. It may affect the material efficiency (i.e. cost-to-build) of all production from that invention run. Some decryptors make that ME better, some worse.
Know how each decryptor will affect the overall profitability of your production before you buy it, based on your characters' skills, material purchase costs, POS/NPC station overhead costs, and expected sale price *before* you buy any. Otherwise you might as well just give me the money - it will do you as much good, and I will send you a polite email of thanks, which the decryptor vendors you buy from will not do. --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue. |
SilverSkyy
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Posted - 2010.04.13 15:35:00 -
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Thanks all for answers, there is a way to determinate which decryptor must be used for a module or a ship? Ex. Assembly Instructions decryptor in which inventions can be used?
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Kritinana
Minmatar The New Mexican Connection
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Posted - 2010.04.13 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy Thanks all for answers, there is a way to determinate which decryptor must be used for a module or a ship? Ex. Assembly Instructions decryptor in which inventions can be used?
You can use one on any job you want (for it's respective race). The thing to determine is wether or not doing so will make you any money.
Determining that is simply a matter of doing the math. A decryptor will alter the me/pe/# or runs/and % chance of success. All of these things must be considered along with the cost of datacores, cost of build materials, time for both inv. & manuf., price of final unit.
A decryptor is basically a modifier in figuring all that stuff out. Sometimes it will make an inv. job more profitable, sometimes it will make an inv. job cost you money (typically the case for modules). There really isn't a stead fast "do use here, don't use there" answer. Which to use for what (if at all) is going to vary from one item to another, along with your own preferences. Additionally, what may be profitable with a decryptor today, may not be next week. It's heavily dependant on what the market is doing as well, which of course is constantly changing.
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Backfyre
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy Thanks all for answers, there is a way to determinate which decryptor must be used for a module or a ship? Ex. Assembly Instructions decryptor in which inventions can be used?
The Eve invention guide will answer a lot of your questions and gives you all the basic math involved. Match the decryptor racial set with the required encryption method skill on the invention tab of the BPC. You then pick which decryptor within the racial set to use by which stats you want to modify.
Seems like there is a lot of incorrect info in this thread regarding max run BPCs and decryptor use, so carefully look at details in various guides.
A note on rig invention - they follow the rules for ship invention. i.e. a max run rig BPC will not give you a multiple run T2 BPC unless you use one of the decryptors that increases the runs.
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy Hi all, i'm new on the inventions, so like a good boy i'm reading guides about inventions, but some questions spin in my mind. 1) For an invention i must use a BPC from a researched BPO or don't matter the ME and PE level of the BPC?
Not at all i use 0 ME/PE bpc for invention.
2) It's worth to buy the best decryptor for the inventions like "Assembly Instructions" for a new inventor like me? Not for modules/ammo waste of isk... use decryptors on high value ships only.
3) For invention using i must make a BPC with max runs or not?
Max run for modules & ammo, your choice for ships either single run for inties/AF etc to max run for Hac's/recon/command etc.
Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels |
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Caractacus Dio
w00t Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.13 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy 2) It's worth to buy the best decryptor for the inventions like "Assembly Instructions" for a new inventor like me?
To see your invention chance I like to use: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/invention_chance.php
A program I'd recommend is Eve-Meep for invention/production. Does all the math for you.
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SilverSkyy
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:37:00 -
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I don't understand why i must use a max runs BPC when inventing on a ship using decryptor, if i understand well using decryptor like the 1.8 one i have some advantage like the +4 runs, then how the max runs bpc can make the difference when i use a decryptor?
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSkyy I don't understand why i must use a max runs BPC when inventing on a ship using decryptor, if i understand well using decryptor like the 1.8 one i have some advantage like the +4 runs, then how the max runs bpc can make the difference when i use a decryptor?
Simple: If you use a single-run copy with a +4 run modifier you will receive ONLY a 4-run Tech2 BPC. If you would use a max-run tech 1 copy with a +4 modifier you will receive a 5-run Tech2 equivalent.
You can check the link to the wiki, I posted earlier. There is the equation.
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