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Daenosa
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Posted - 2010.05.07 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida PS: ECM should act like radar-jammers do in the mythical real world and distort sensors, not completely shut them down .. how it could/should be done I am not sure. Ideas that have been put forth include: Breaking locks, shuffling/delaying overview, false module readings and so forth. .
Implement any of them ideas and ecm will be the worst EW in the game.
*distort sensors? like misreport what you are fighting against? Maybe adding a few phantom ships on your overview?* Great in 1v1 fights but as soon as you fly in a fleet your targets get called out and marked.
*Breaking locks* You mean like remote ECM? We already have that in game.
*shuffling/delaying overview* again would be good when solo but as soon as you get in a fleet it would be pointless.
*false module readings* eh? Tell the enemy pilot their afterburner is on when its not? You lost me on this 1.
ECM does have the benefit of being the best EW is the game but there's no need to nerf in into uselessness. Slight tweaking maybe but can we not do a typical CCP style and make it absolutely useless.
The best suggestion i have seen is cutting ECM range in half. Or actually chopping its optimal in half with a big fall out, at least it would give a reason for people to bring sniper ships to a gang
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2010.05.07 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida ] You would have to increase HP across the board on all ECM birds to compensate or it will result in the same obsolescence, but then how do you balance them when/if they start being spammed as tanked close range liimited jammer hulls?
ECM's low HP is its weakness, its balance to its power. Bring them more into the danger area to balance them.
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2010.05.07 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Daenosa ECM's low HP is its weakness, its balance to its power. Bring them more into the danger area to balance them.
Isnt it exactly what CCP did with the falcon nerf?
They cut the falcons optimal ECM range ship bonus, im suggesting an overall cut to ECM's optimal across the board.
ECM is suggest to be a ECM ships tank, not range.
Anyway im only suggesting realistic possible ways to change ECM, im still with the ECM is fine crowd. Damps and TD's need boosting to more useable levels, as even if you nerf ECM the other 2 won't suddenly be more used. Lets not mention TP's as less face that its not really EW its more of a fleet buffing mechanism.
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2010.05.07 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Yes, but if you cut another 50% off the range the ECM birds will have to either be deep in ECM fall-off (=useless) or be in range of everything but frigate guns (=huge incoming dps increase). The range as actually fairly balanced as it is; in range of BS and long range medium weapons and in the vicinity of the maximum drone control range limit.
Hmm fair point, i was trying to put across an easily to implement situation as messing with the overview mechanics is no a small deal.
In my ideal world ECM would turn off someone's chat channels and close their overview window, in essence rendering them unable to communicate to the outside world and having to manually look at targets to lock them.
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2010.05.07 13:53:00 -
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Alas, this is Eve and it is serious business There are no quick-fix solutions available to issues any more, it has grown to be too complex .. CCP learned that the hard way when we tested the AF AB boost for them on SiSi, perfectly sound and reasonable solution on paper but way out of touch in reality with pilots at the wheels.
ECM should be powerful (if it is to remain the sole Caldari eWar) but one must have ways to mitigate/prevent it from being used against you. The chance based binary nature sets it apart from the other forms of eWar which is why I personally think that changing it to be more in-line with the rest is easier than the other way around.
It is the "how" that has me stumped.
We have ways to prevent ECM, its ECCM and its a moronic idea to fit it to your ship unless you know certain your going up against ECM. So either boost ECCM so you dont need to fit as many to have a noticeable effect OR add another bonus to ECCM to make it worthwhile fitting.
If you try and implement a major change to balance 1 thing out, 10 other things swing out of balance. Hence the attempt to keep it fairly simple.
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