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Ildryn
The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:47:00 -
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Before Eve was released EVE existed...and it was made without the help of subscribers. They don't need us to make a game that will sell...they need us to continue to work on EVE. We stop paying and they move on to other games. Be happy with what they release and stop *****ing. It's okay to add your two-cents. Don't like it go play a different game.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Oh look, another "I'm right and you're wrong no matter what you say!" post.
OP is ironic.
I am fully aware of the irony
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Celeste Coeval said ôYou are all spoilt. CCP has spoilt you with expansions. It is CCP's game, not yours, don't forget that. You are not shareholders, you shouldn't really get any say at all.ö Your having a laugh right? We are anything but spoilt. We get a higher then average price to pay and lower then average new content. We do get a say. If they ignore us and keep doing what we all hate we all leave and they go bankrupt. There business is to make products we all like and to keep us customers happy. That means listening to us at least part listening to us.
Eve is an MMO with a monthly subscription. You expect a certain amount of standards from an MMO with a subscription. If CCP keep droped all new content people would quit and they would go bankrupt.
You don't seem to get that you are speaking for yourself... The fact that you disagree with me shows that there are other opinions about what CCP does right and wrong other than your own. I get the standards from CCP I want, that is why I and you are on these forums and not another MMO.
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
(troll answer) Whatever!
And your post was a troll post, so...what's your point?
exasperation is what I am exhibiting, I am not trolling.
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
H4rbringer
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: H4rbringer on 19/04/2010 18:15:28
Originally by: Ildryn Before Eve was released EVE existed...and it was made without the help of subscribers. They don't need us to make a game that will sell...they need us to continue to work on EVE. We stop paying and they move on to other games. Be happy with what they release and stop *****ing. It's okay to add your two-cents. Don't like it go play a different game.
same as any other ****ing game
edit how are the polar bears anyway.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:21:00 -
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It is a mistake to think that CCP is not aware of the player concerns or they fail to act on this knowledge.
CCP has the facts which tell them what player wants. They have actual statistic on: Play style demographic and profession Ship popularity Fit popularity System popularity They see the market in the truest form.
It is not necessary for CCP to guess how to make people happy. They know this. The subscription number growth is proof.
I do not have complaint to CCP. I have things I do not like.. but other player like.. so enjoy what I do like.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:23:00 -
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Celeste Coeval said " You don't seem to get that you are speaking for yourself... The fact that you disagree with me shows that there are other opinions about what CCP does right and wrong other than your own. I get the standards from CCP I want, that is why I and you are on these forums and not another MMO." I get I am speaking for myself. But you seem to be posting your opinions as though they are facts.
I used facts and the facts are we are not spoilt. We pay more cash for less content on average then other MMO's or even Eve's own past. Which means we cannot be spoilt. Being spoilt is the opposite where you get more content for less cash. Go look at Eve past standard of content and we are worse off now in that we get far less for our money when looking at a new content point of view. Compared to Eve's past we are not spoilt, we are getting much less and its costing more.
You might get the standard from CCP you want. But the fact is CCP standards have dropped in that they give way less content now then they used to and charge more for it. This is not opinion this is fact that anyone can see by looking at the older expansions and the cheaper price of playing back then more so if you live in the EU where Eve costs way more than average for an MMO. Some of us are disappointed that CCP standard of content has dropped as we barely get any new content anymore.
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H4rbringer
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:29:00 -
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you suck. do someshing new
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lexx Khadar Personally I think players should only have a small input into any MMO's development. Too many entrenched / self centred interests. Yes its good for the player-base to suggest things to improve the game but they should never feel entitled that those things get put into action. You should just feel lucky that they consider some suggestions. never mind if they actually make action of them.
I agree with this. If CCP catered to every whim some group of players had, EVE would be an unplayable mess (in before "lol it's already an unplayable mess lol"). Players still get a say in the direction the game takes with their wallets--if the game is not something they enjoy, they can always stop playing.
That said, I'm really disappointed with what it looks like Tyrannis will be, and I'm entitled to be disappointed. But this is not so much that it's not what I want from it, but the fact that it's not what CCP described at FanFest (which happened to be exactly what I wanted from it).
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Mr Majeeka
Amarr THE DISC
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:41:00 -
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The fact remains that CCP will never please everybody! We all think we know best and with anyhting in life a conflicting opinion causes conflict.
It is perhaps worth bearing in mind that CCP one way or the other have the player base at heart. Some things work, somethings don't, some people like the changes or new content, but some people dont, but to think CCP neither listens nor cares is quite a narrow minded view.
Perhaps where CCP may fail is constructive imput into ideas that are made for us all to see, perhaps more open discussion in the way of web conferencing, live chat, workshops similar to that at fanfest or even player base wide voting. At least we would all feel we have "had our say" and we as the player base would feel more in touch.
The wonderful thing is that Eve must be an amazing game to stir up such passion amongst its playerbase, new and old, and perhaps we all need to take a step back sometimes and appreciate what we have, rather than wonder about what we don't.
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2010.04.20 01:14:00 -
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tl; dr
WTF is "spoilt"? Didn't read past first sentence because of spelling/grammar.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.04.20 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Devan Reale tl; dr
WTF is "spoilt"? Didn't read past first sentence because of spelling/grammar.
Sad part is spoilt seems to be a valid word (I know ), no matter how wrong it sounds.
But don't worry, you didn't miss anything worth reading anyway. Spoilt seems like a very fitting description of the thread. __________
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Henri Rearden
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.20 01:58:00 -
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Dear God, I hope they don't start putting everything to a vote by the playerbase. I'll have cancelled my account faster than L33T PVPers whine or carebears shed tears, and I wouldn't be the only one. As much as I've seen lots of constructive posts on the forums, I've seen FAR more idiocy than I ever anticipated, along with an absolutely apalling level of the worst kind of trolling. I think 85% of forum posts could be deleted and it would be an improvement since they aren't constructive at all. In no way, shape, or form do I want the playerbase having more power than electing the CSM. No, none, nothing, absolutely not. CCP has done a good job with the game and they have been successful in synthesizing feedback with the demands of running EVE as a business, and I don't think they should change that. It's the same idea as "mob rule" or "rule by the masses" or "unlimited direct democracy"... in practice, they're all absolutely terrifying. I'm happy to give feedback to CCP, but I'm paying to play the game, not develop it. They've got far more time than I to devote to that, far more experience, and far more information upon which to go.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:13:00 -
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In b4 the haters hating on the haters that hate the haters. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:22:00 -
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and the people who hate on those people dont forget bout them.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:52:00 -
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CCP picks a list of good ideas to implement.
The player base votes on a list of good ideas to pick the best one or two for the next patch.
How exactly does that screw up the entire game? It's not like CCP is going to pick ideas that will ruin their own game.
Some people have no ability to draw logical conclusions.
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Johnny May
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:07:00 -
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can i have your stuff?
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:19:00 -
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To some people, Eve is a product that they pay for. When people are unhappy with a product they paid for, they often complain
To other people, Eve is a way of life. When people complain about their way of life, they get personally offended. These people are known as fanbois, and kind of sad.
The OP is of the latter group.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.20 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Devan Reale tl; dr
WTF is "spoilt"? Didn't read past first sentence because of spelling/grammar.
I think it's a silly English way of spelling spoiled. Or maybe it's a different tense that they use. I'm not really sure. There are other words where they put a -t instead of a -ed, too.
It looks weird to me too.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 09:04:00 -
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No
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King Dave
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2010.04.20 09:13:00 -
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We have an interest in this game (Which is more than can be said for a couple of devs, the rest rule), that is why we whine. So that CCP know what is going wrong and how we feel about said stuff. If we didn't whine, nothing would get fixed or made as CCP wouldn't know what the players wanted done.
You are ruining the evolution of this game by telling us to stop whining, kill yourself.
"Evil Edna > just get director roles, put child **** in the corp bio and then petition ccp" |
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Im Blue
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Posted - 2010.04.20 09:31:00 -
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spoiled or spoilt, spoil+ing, noun ûverb (used with object) 1.to damage severely or harm (something), esp. with reference to its excellence, value, usefulness, etc.: The water stain spoiled the painting. Drought spoiled the corn crop. 2.to diminish or impair the quality of; affect detrimentally: Bad weather spoiled their vacation. 3.to impair, damage, or harm the character or nature of (someone) by unwise treatment, excessive indulgence, etc.: to spoil a child by pampering him. 4.Archaic. to strip (persons, places, etc.) of goods, valuables, etc.; plunder; pillage; despoil. 5.Archaic. to take or seize by force. ûverb (used without object) 6.to become bad, or unfit for use, as food or other perishable substances; become tainted or putrid: Milk spoils if not refrigerated. 7.to plunder, pillage, or rob.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.04.20 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval You are all spoilt. CCP has spoilt you with expansions. It is CCP's game, not yours, don't forget that. You are not shareholders, you shouldn't really get any say at all.
You say CCP doesn't listen? Skill queue, wormholes, T2 BS, Invention, Sov 2.0, Titan DD nerf, nano nerf, ecm nerf, falcon nerf, need I go on.
People hate CCP for nerfing things, people love it when CCP nerfs the things they complained about.
People want CCP to not add too much new content and focus on fixing the bugs. People want more new content AND CCP to fix the bugs. People want bugs fixed and no new content.
People want PI. People don't want PI. People want Incarna. People don't want Incarna. People want DUST. People don't want DUST.
People think their set of values and concepts about EVE are dominant over others whose views do not coincide. So what if you pay a subscription? So do I! Most of the eve playerbase just enjoys whatever CCP implements and they don't ***** on these forums.
You know if I were the owner of CCP, i'd have said **** off a long time ago and taken the money and sold up to faceless corporation XYZ. Have they done this...no. You all sound like 4 yr olds demanding ice cream before dinner, but worse yet you are demanding no ice cream, ice cream after dinner and no dinner with just ice cream. What gives CCP consensus? CSM. You want this to be a democracy then go through CSM or run for it. Stop *****ing about stuff that quite frankly most of you haven't even tried. Most comments on PI are from people who haven't even tested it. You know who CCP will listen to, people testing their **** for them.
Good Day!
You are really naive aren't you? And by that I mean you constant reference to your "dollar god".
Get a grip.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:49:00 -
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Kyra Felann said ôI think it's a silly English way of spelling spoiled. Or maybe it's a different tense that they use. I'm not really sure.ö That rich person is spoilt he never had to work a day in his life. That guy over there is spoilt; he doesnÆt know how good he has it. That girl is spoilt she has everything done for her just because she is pretty.
I believe this is how the OP intended to use the word.
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Johan Sabbat
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Kyra Felann said ôI think it's a silly English way of spelling spoiled. Or maybe it's a different tense that they use. I'm not really sure.ö That rich person is spoilt he never had to work a day in his life. That guy over there is spoilt; he doesnÆt know how good he has it. That girl is spoilt she has everything done for her just because she is pretty.
I believe this is how the OP intended to use the word.
Damb those English and their silly language, next thing you know they'll be wanting all the z's replaced by s's and the u's put back where they belong.
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Zofe Stormcaller
Gallente Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Devan Reale tl; dr
WTF is "spoilt"? Didn't read past first sentence because of spelling/grammar.
I think it's a silly English way of spelling spoiled. Or maybe it's a different tense that they use. I'm not really sure. There are other words where they put a -t instead of a -ed, too.
It looks weird to me too.
Long story short: British English vs American English. Same as "Spelled" vs "Spelt"
I for one hope CCP doesn't float: that way EA/Microsoft/Whoever can't buy it and wreck it like they did with C&C 4. I like CCPs products as they are and not retooled to appeal more to the target market colloquially known to the 'merkins as "jocks"
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 20/04/2010 13:10:34 Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 20/04/2010 13:09:52
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Devan Reale tl; dr
WTF is "spoilt"? Didn't read past first sentence because of spelling/grammar.
I think it's a silly English way of spelling spoiled. Or maybe it's a different tense that they use. I'm not really sure. There are other words where they put a -t instead of a -ed, too.
It looks weird to me too.
A past tense and a past participle of spoil.
Originally by: Emperor Cheney To some people, Eve is a product that they pay for. When people are unhappy with a product they paid for, they often complain
To other people, Eve is a way of life. When people complain about their way of life, they get personally offended. These people are known as fanbois, and kind of sad.
The OP is of the latter group.
The OP is mid way between both groups actually.
Originally by: XenosisReaper No
Superb
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval A past tense and a past participle of spoil.
Yeah, thought it was something like that, but it's not used in American English at all. We don't use the -t suffix, only -ed. Thus why it looks odd over here.
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Empress Shai
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Empress Shai on 20/04/2010 16:16:09 So, in a nutshell.... Edited by: Empress Shai on 20/04/2010 16:15:21
Originally by: Celeste Coeval You are all spoilt....Good Day!
I said, GOOD DAY!
I miss Fez, best character EVER Spoiled troll is spoiled? Or is it Spoilt.... hum
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N Ano
Caldari Onyx Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I think you would do well to realise that a business is nothing without its customers. You could apply your remarks to almost any business - there are people that complain about nearly everything. They're called "critics" or "reviewers". It just happens that Eve players tend to be a lot more vocal than most, but we should consider something else...
CCP suggests they have ~300k subscribers, and even taking into consideration the number of alt accounts etc, there are not anywhere near that many people on these forums, or any other, complaining about the state of the game. It's a fact that people are less likely to notice and/or comment on positive changes. I imagine that your boss is more likely to notice a mistake and comment on it, than if you just did your job with nothing going wrong. People like complaining.
CCP seems to be learning to admit when they are wrong, as is the case with a recent dev blog. I'm sure this is greatly appreciated by the community at large, but there is still some way to go. Sometimes it feels like they make arbitary and sweeping changes, and often all the players really want is a better explanation as to why. It's not all about "they don't listen" but more about "they don't tell us" in a lot of cases. YMMV.
I'm glad you're not in charge of CCP. Maybe this is Hilmar and co's baby, and they want to see it through. Some people raise a business purely to sell it on later, others will raise their business and go down with it at the end. I hope in their case, it is the latter.
Regards,
C. o'Ninetails x
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Omenis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval You are all spoilt.
If I were the type to generalize and set up straw men for public abuse in lieu of offering an informed opinion about EVE, I might agree with you.
But I'm not, so I don't. Or, if you prefer...
i c wut u did their
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