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Iron Civire
Brothers At Arms Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:46:00 -
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"An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his GÇÿusedGÇÖ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale"
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf
How will this change your policy about account selling/char selling? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8421
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:48:00 -
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It will not change their policy in the slightest because it doesn't affect the licensing EVE uses.
Also, welcome to last week, when we had roughly eighty billion duplicate threads on the optic. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
207
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:48:00 -
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Iron Civire wrote:International Court of Justice
Iron Civire wrote:http://curia.europa.eu not sure if srs The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
182
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:51:00 -
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Iron Civire wrote:"An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his GÇÿusedGÇÖ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale" http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdfHow will this change your policy about account selling/char selling? It won't. It's in the EULA, CCP own all chars and accounts, you're just renting them with you subs (or something like that).
Though you could sell your client if you really wanted to... Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8421
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:56:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:not sure if srs To be fair, a lot of people confuse the ICC, ICJ, ECJ, and (depending on language) ECHR. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Kindred Wolf
Future's Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.07.08 15:37:00 -
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But your not paying CCP for a license, your paying them for access to their servers. |
Emiko P'eng
19
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Posted - 2012.07.08 15:57:00 -
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To save repeating it all again!
Here is a link to my previous post on the previous discussion on this subject:
EVE Online Forum - Selling characters (account) for real money
It all boils down to.
Under this ruling
You will own the client software on your PC whether you downloaded or shop bought it. You can sell it on if you wish
You rent an account, therefore you only have the rights CCP allow you. |
Y'nit Gidrine
Gold Horizons Industrial
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:24:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Iron Civire wrote:"An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his GÇÿusedGÇÖ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale" http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdfHow will this change your policy about account selling/char selling? It won't. It's in the EULA, CCP own all chars and accounts, you're just renting them with you subs (or something like that). Though you could sell your client if you really wanted to...
Technically, you are simply giving your money to CCP, and they have no obligations to provide you with any goods or services what-so-ever. Although I somehow doubt that the courts would look very favorably upon CCP if they actually tried to abuse that. |
The Protato
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
48
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:22:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote: It won't. It's in the EULA, CCP own all chars and accounts, you're just renting them with you subs (or something like that).
Though you could sell your client if you really wanted to...
This EU law says "F*** you" to EULAs. Essentially, it declares them null and void. However, it doesn't apply here, because accounts are not software licences. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
503
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:47:00 -
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Good thing Iceland has yet to have their accession to the EU approved...so basically anything passed by the EU courts can be given the middle finger by Icelandic companies. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
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Mallak Azaria
282
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:09:00 -
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Not another one of these threads...
When will people realise that game accounts aren't covered by this because they aren't software licences? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
992
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Posted - 2012.07.09 02:49:00 -
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The Protato wrote:Grey Azorria wrote: It won't. It's in the EULA, CCP own all chars and accounts, you're just renting them with you subs (or something like that).
Though you could sell your client if you really wanted to... This EU law says "F*** you" to EULAs. Essentially, it declares them null and void. However, it doesn't apply here, because accounts are not software licences. No, it only declares the specific part null and void. Unless the EULA has a provision where if one part in voided, it all is voided, the rest of it is still valid (as much as it was before). |
ShipToaster
169
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Posted - 2012.07.09 03:08:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Good thing Iceland has yet to have their accession to the EU approved...so basically anything passed by the EU courts can be given the middle finger by Icelandic companies.
Maybe, maybe not.
If Iceland or EFTA or EEA are mentioned in the judgement then you should consider it applicable until advised otherwise by petitioning the court. In practice it looks like Iceland has agreed by treaties to follow EU directives and laws relating to unified markets which would include this.
Internet link for those who believe wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association
Application of EU law in Iceland: partial. EU law enforceable in local courts: unclear.
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Rajan Marelona
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.07.09 03:12:00 -
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Iron Civire wrote:How will this change your policy about account selling/char selling? Since you're not buying the game indefinitely but renting access to the server, nothing changes for EVE, WoW and similar subscription games. The only games that COULD be affected are the games like Guild Wars 1 where owning a copy of the game means permanent server access.
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Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
21
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Posted - 2012.07.09 03:30:00 -
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Iron Civire wrote:"An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his GÇÿusedGÇÖ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale" http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdfHow will this change your policy about account selling/char selling?
Hmmm, an international court of justice? Sounds like mutually exclusive terms "international court" and "justice". Or at the very least, an oxymoron. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
72
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:09:00 -
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Moving this from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
32
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Posted - 2012.07.09 06:00:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Moving this from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience. Lock it. It's a duplicate. Or Triplicate, either way. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008. /OOPE/ Bittervet since 2006.
I lay my claim upon Out of Pod Experience, plain and simple. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:23:00 -
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The EVE client is free, you never bought the client not a license for it. |
Cierejai
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.07.10 12:47:00 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:To save repeating it all again! Here is a link to my previous post on the previous discussion on this subject: EVE Online Forum - Selling characters (account) for real moneyIt all boils down to. Under this ruling You will own the client software on your PC whether you downloaded or shop bought it. You can sell it on if you wish You rent an account, therefore you only have the rights CCP allow you.
So I can sell my client that anyone with an internet connection can download for free from CCP?
Cool story bro. |
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