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Kindred Wolf
Future's Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.08 15:33:00 -
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Congratulations on ruining the Alliance tournaments CCP, again we see the absolute BullSH** that is thrown matches. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
252
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Posted - 2012.07.08 15:37:00 -
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3 broadswords vs 2zombies vindis? Broadswords by 30 points, at halftime. Seems legit
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Gun Gal
Dark Club
24
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:46:00 -
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does anyone one even watch this drivel anymore?
the last thrown tourney said it all, and pointed the direction eve is taking. |
benfolds five
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:47:00 -
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What's going on? |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
182
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:52:00 -
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benfolds five wrote:What's going on? People complaining about metagaming in a tournament in a game that has more metagaming in it than anything else... Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Valek Noor
Eternal Phoenix Rises Soldiers Of New Eve
12
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:53:00 -
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after last year, there was no chance of respect for this one.....
What did you expect honestly???? |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:55:00 -
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Waiting for the idiots to notice this post and go calling everyone else nerds and trying to overcompensate their RL shortcomings. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1600
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:01:00 -
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How is this CCPs fault? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1275
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:03:00 -
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who cares about the prelims a rogue goon |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
98
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:How is this CCPs fault?
They allow it, they time and time again refuse to fix their mistakes. When goons exploit their mistakes it's against the rules and they take action but when a CCP pet allince or corp exploit the rules it's a game development.
Remove T2BPO fix EVE. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
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Taurich Vorsel
11
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:09:00 -
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Dunno why people aren't believing the 'burnt my guns' excuse I burn **** out in actual TQ PvP all the time
It's pretty common amongst us fail PvPers Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE! |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
992
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:10:00 -
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Taurich Vorsel wrote:Dunno why people aren't believing the 'burnt my guns' excuse I burn **** out in actual TQ PvP all the time
It's pretty common amongst us fail PvPers I did that my first fight, felt really silly. My opponent asked why I stopped shooting afterwards... he had a good laugh. |
Khanh'rhh
1379
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:15:00 -
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Kindred Wolf wrote:Congratulations on ruining the Alliance tournaments CCP, again we see the absolute BullSH** that is thrown matches. Your proof is so utterly compelling FOX news are afraid to run the story.
He burnt out his guns, so he couldn't shoot.
He then did the only thing he could do; try to force a boundary violation to secure points.
But I guess sticking your pants on your head since you don't understand this is probably a better move - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1613
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:35:00 -
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Most matches i've seen were great !
But, of course, haters gonna hate... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1251
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:39:00 -
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goons did it |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
120
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:40:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: I did that my first fight, felt really silly. My opponent asked why I stopped shooting afterwards... he had a good laugh.
Shhhhhhhhhh... don't remind people they once failed at eve...
Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1579
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:48:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:
He burnt out his guns, so he couldn't shoot.
All you need to find is six pilots out of an entire alliance that understand basic PVP and they come up with a guy who burns out his guns like a noob?
Sounds legit to me.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Cpt Roghie
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
30
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:57:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:baltec1 wrote:How is this CCPs fault? They allow it, they time and time again refuse to fix their mistakes. When goons exploit their mistakes it's against the rules and they take action but when a CCP pet allince or corp exploit the rules it's a game development. Remove T2BPO fix EVE.
this is now a CCP <3 Goons whine thread. Zzzzzzzz.
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Martil
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:05:00 -
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i think you should be able to buy giant foam fingers for your characters to wear while they watch the alliance tournament x in their captains quarters imo |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
614
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:05:00 -
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I'm not watching it, should say enough. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
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Khanh'rhh
1380
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:06:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:
He burnt out his guns, so he couldn't shoot.
All you need to find is six pilots out of an entire alliance that understand basic PVP and they come up with a guy who burns out his guns like a noob? Sounds legit to me. Mr Epeen I know you like strawman arguments, but you might be interested to note there is a pretty high precedence for this happening in the past. Most notably last year, when RvB crashed out for doing this on their Tengu(s). - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
25
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:08:00 -
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I like how everyone is getting all butthurt and suggesting it was a thrown match with no basis at all. Snake wasn't our primary second Vindi pilot and had reservations about flying it having not put in much practice with that setup. He burnt out his guns, it happens. You should be giving Nulli props for pulling off a win with what is a pretty mediocre setup.
Nulli definitely deserve credit for the most spectacular metagaming of the tournament by convincing one of their members to throw himself in front of a train on the Bakerloo line thus delaying our primary second Vindi pilot, Amantus, as he traveled home.
Froth at the mouth all you want, we're advancing to the next round where I'm sure you'll see many more surprises from us.
Deal with it nerds. FEARLESS. Now recruiting posting warriors and corporations |
Yohanna Kementari
Hispania Armored Forces Vera Cruz Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:13:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/5gMjl.png |
Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
25
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:19:00 -
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Yohanna Kementari wrote:http://i.imgur.com/5gMjl.png
No comment. FEARLESS. Now recruiting posting warriors and corporations |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
992
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:22:00 -
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Yohanna Kementari wrote:http://i.imgur.com/5gMjl.png So... you has photoshop skills no?
Also, does that even mean anything. Who cares if large sums of money were transferred to people? You would hate to see my wallet if thats all you care about. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8427
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:25:00 -
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SoGǪ what's the problem? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Stoffl
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:29:00 -
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Patrakele wrote:Waiting for the idiots to notice this post and go calling everyone else nerds and trying to overcompensate their RL shortcomings.
nerd |
Yohanna Kementari
Hispania Armored Forces Vera Cruz Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:47:00 -
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Larkonis Trassler wrote:Yohanna Kementari wrote:http://i.imgur.com/5gMjl.png No comment.
Corina Jarr wrote:Yohanna Kementari wrote:http://i.imgur.com/5gMjl.png So... you has photoshop skills no? Also, does that even mean anything. Who cares if large sums of money were transferred to people? You would hate to see my wallet if thats all you care about.
Tippia wrote:SoGǪ what's the problem?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/w7zo4/atx_day_4_battle_reports/c5b390i |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8427
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:53:00 -
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Yohanna Kementari wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/w7zo4/atx_day_4_battle_reports/c5b390i Yes? And? That doesn't really answer the question: what's the problem?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Yohanna Kementari
Hispania Armored Forces Vera Cruz Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:58:00 -
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problem's not mine lol, just stating that op is probably right
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ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
33
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:35:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:
He burnt out his guns, so he couldn't shoot.
All you need to find is six pilots out of an entire alliance that understand basic PVP and they come up with a guy who burns out his guns like a noob? Sounds legit to me. Mr Epeen finding 6 guys in alliance with eve subscriptions was the challenge there. Become FEARLESS. |
Generals4
966
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:44:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:benfolds five wrote:What's going on? People complaining about metagaming in a tournament in a game that has more metagaming in it than anything else...
However usually (in rl) fixed games get punished by those organizing the tournament. However in EVE it results in ... nothing?
Personally i don't rlly care either way, i find those tournaments rather boring. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8427
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:53:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:[However usually (in rl) fixed games get punished by those organizing the tournament. However in EVE it results in ... nothing? Of course not. It's an EVE alliance tournament.
With the new rules, they've prohibited competing against yourself and it's up to the referees to determine whether a match is to be considered thrown or not. So far, that judgement has largely been held for pre-arranged matches rather than bribes during a match, though, so it's all a bit fuzzyGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Hurtado Soneka
Serenity Prime
68
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:55:00 -
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gettin as bad as the UFC lol |
Mallak Azaria
282
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:05:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:baltec1 wrote:How is this CCPs fault? They allow it, they time and time again refuse to fix their mistakes. When goons exploit their mistakes it's against the rules and they take action but when a CCP pet allince or corp exploit the rules it's a game development. Remove T2BPO fix EVE.
Sense.
You didn't make it. |
The Protato
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
48
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:04:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote: this is now a CCP <3 Goons whine thread.
You're one of these stupid people I've heard about, right? You do realise that entire post was talking about how CCP hates goons? |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
172
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:40:00 -
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For those of us did not watch, what exactly happened?? |
Hatsuki Takami
Pierogowi Wielbiciele Kindless Outer Space Absolute
17
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:43:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:baltec1 wrote:How is this CCPs fault? They allow it, they time and time again refuse to fix their mistakes. When goons exploit their mistakes it's against the rules and they take action but when a CCP pet allince or corp exploit the rules it's a game development. Remove T2BPO fix EVE. this is now a CCP <3 Goons whine thread. Remove goon whine tread? Seems fair to me.r |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:44:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:baltec1 wrote:How is this CCPs fault? They allow it, they time and time again refuse to fix their mistakes. When goons exploit their mistakes it's against the rules and they take action but when a CCP pet allince or corp exploit the rules it's a game development. Remove T2BPO fix EVE.
Not every thread is about your irrational hatred of Pie. -RubyPorto
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Desimus Maximus
Dark Matter Arsenal Development
15
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:50:00 -
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Massive alliances with multi billion ISK ships... and we are force fed 6 vs. 6 with maybe a faction BS and a handful of paper frigates for 2 weekends in a row? And don't even get me started on the EA ads. How does that Sony j!zz taste CCP?
Finally, the douc#e with the captain morgan mustache.... *facepalm*
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:00:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote: I'm not watching it, should say enough.
Oh **** CCP! A complete irrelevant isn't watching the tourney!
What ever shall you do! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:33:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:does anyone one even watch this drivel anymore?
the last thrown tourney said it all, and pointed the direction eve is taking.
Pro wrestling of EVE and here as there there are stupid people that will pay to see it. http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8432
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:37:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Massive alliances with multi billion ISK ships... and we are force fed 6 vs. 6 with maybe a faction BS and a handful of paper frigates for 2 weekends in a row? And don't even get me started on the EA ads. How does that Sony j!zz taste CCP? What does Sony have to do with anything? Are you familiar with how the qualifying rounds work?
GǪand ads? On the internet? What century do you live in?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mallak Azaria
282
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Massive alliances with multi billion ISK ships... and we are force fed 6 vs. 6 with maybe a faction BS and a handful of paper frigates for 2 weekends in a row? And don't even get me started on the EA ads. How does that Sony j!zz taste CCP? What does Sony have to do with anything?
The general consensus amongst the uninformed is that Sony bought CCP last year. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1649
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:57:00 -
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If you object to bought kills/matches and opposing teams making some deals before the match so both reach the desired outcome, you're playing the wrong game or are just plainly naive - most likely both.
These things are pretty much some of the most distinct features of eve.
The shootout is just the eye-candy for newbs to watch - the outcome of fights and main bulk of the work is accomplished a long way before that if you're smart - be it in the alliance tourney or on TQ.
That's what makes it actually interesting. You know... morons. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
71
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:42:00 -
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Moving this from General Discussion to Alliance Tournament Discussion. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Desmond Robinson
Sonoran Sun Legion Eternal Strife
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 02:26:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:For those of us did not watch, what exactly happened?? http://at.eve-ic.net/10/index.php?view=match&id=50 FEARLESS. vs Nulli Secunda
Video will be posted by IC within 24 hours. Watch for yourself. 2nd Vindi pilot stopped shooting 90 seconds into the match... and burned toward the boundary. I wonder what would have happened if the first Vindi had survived? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2012.07.09 02:41:00 -
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Desmond Robinson wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:For those of us did not watch, what exactly happened?? http://at.eve-ic.net/10/index.php?view=match&id=50 FEARLESS. vs Nulli Secunda Video will be posted by IC within 24 hours. Watch for yourself. 2nd Vindi pilot stopped shooting 90 seconds into the match... and burned toward the boundary. I wonder what would have happened if the first Vindi had survived?
According to Reddit, that Vindi pilot burned his guns out because he's terrible.
But, even if it was a fix, so? Bribery and Corruption are a celebrated part of the metagame. -RubyPorto
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Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2012.07.09 02:58:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Moving this from General Discussion to Alliance Tournament Discussion.
thanks. |
fpshacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
10
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Posted - 2012.07.09 03:27:00 -
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CCP; I am very upset by this dishonorable metagame which has ruined my tournament experience.
I know CCP is a fair and reasonable compay, and I have NO doubt they will ban all of these scum bags from participation in future tournaments. |
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Lynnly Rorschach
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:19:00 -
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so much anger over this...
yeah we brought broadswords. internally it was a joke to begin with, but broadswords ended up beating all the cookie cutter cyclone/sleipnir variations, tengus, and after seeing the sudden popularity of vindis, naturally we skirmished against variations of the setup. despite the guy burning out his guns, the match for the most part went as it did in practice. vs two vindis, the first vindi would die right around the time the second broadsword popped. the remaining broadsword tanked with the help of tracking disruptors. eventually the vindi diedGǪ. aside from ecm teams, the dual vindi setup was the toughest to beat in our practices. BUT IT WAS BEATEN.
as for a game plan going into the match, if we encountered a vindi team, we would bring in all the ships and chew through the tank. plan changed when we saw how close we were to FEARLESS support ships were and tried to pop them. they kited away and because of their damps we didnGÇÖt get all of our tracking disruptors on target until 30 seconds into the match. this made a big difference in comparison to our practices. that alone almost cost us the match. we got lucky with the vindi burning out his guns, but tbh, most the dmg from a solo vindi on a broadswords came in the form of drones. it just cant track with two TD's, despite the 90% web. dual web armor vindis posed a bigger threat in that regard, but were ultimately easier to burn through their ehp.
As for metagaming and forcing FEARLESS into using a secondary pilot, that didnGÇÖt happenGǪ. match wasn't thrown either. nulli is space poor. we're camped in 319 by a rather large band of mewling quims... |
Proxay
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:35:00 -
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Seriously, this whole discussion is pretty ******* ignorant.
The teams competing put in a tremendous amount of effort, no matter what you see in the matches, there is a huge group effort going into every setup, and every pilot wants to succeed.
It's not about 'just' about the shiny **** at the end, it's about a chance at out playing your opponent in so many different ways: * Combat Piloting * Intel gathering * Market Manipulation * Espionage * Theory * Teamwork * Logistics etc etc etc
To say that every second match is "Thrown" is complete bullshit. Just because Hydra and Outbreak ended up in the Final last year, and pissed it about, doesn't mean that every match there-after is a fixed game.
I can personally state that I wouldn't accept any amount of isk to compromise my team, and I'm sure that most the pilots on our team would be of the same mind. The rush of combat, the hours of painstaking work, the self-satisfaction from winning, are all so much more important than isk.
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This is true of most the teams as well. Even if you see some silly 'Broadswords' or 'dual tanked machariels' or whatever, I'm sure the teams have put some time into thinking it up, testing it, and weighing up the odds of its success against their possible opponents (Well, with the exception of the dual tanked machs).
This isn't just a 'spectator' or 'CCP' event, this is for the alliances that want to compete. This is a test of what your alliances are capable of, regardless of size.
If teams want to throw matches, then fine. Though, I can guarantee, that those 'thrown' matches, are few, and far between. Loading signature... |
ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
35
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:53:00 -
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fpshacker wrote:CCP; I am very upset by this dishonorable metagame which has ruined my tournament experience.
I know CCP is a fair and reasonable compay, and I have NO doubt they will ban all of these scum bags from participation in future tournaments.
:( Become FEARLESS. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
28
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:02:00 -
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All of these threads are so depressing, there is literally no positive discussion at all.
How is this ONE match CCP's fault at all? Firstly, its questionable if the match was even thrown, since there is even a photo of the vindi that burnt out his guns. (if anyone bothered to actually do any read up on the forums instead of crying).
Even if it was thrown, CCP has no control over that at all. Im not really sure how CCP F'd up at all... |
Stoffl
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:55:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Desmond Robinson wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:For those of us did not watch, what exactly happened?? http://at.eve-ic.net/10/index.php?view=match&id=50 FEARLESS. vs Nulli Secunda Video will be posted by IC within 24 hours. Watch for yourself. 2nd Vindi pilot stopped shooting 90 seconds into the match... and burned toward the boundary. I wonder what would have happened if the first Vindi had survived? According to Reddit, that Vindi pilot burned his guns out because he's terrible. But, even if it was a fix, so? Bribery and Corruption are a celebrated part of the metagame.
I, for one, am shocked and appaled by this outrageous accusations. I will have you know that Snake O Connor is an exceptional Internet Spaceship Captain, hero amongst pod pilots and never burns out his modules. He's also a very calm guy and doesn't RAEGE on comms. |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:11:00 -
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i dont really see what the big tado is all about. there both **** teams so not like there gunna last much longer |
ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
76
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:22:00 -
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B'reanna wrote:i dont really see what the big tado is all about. there both **** teams so not like there gunna last much longer I agree.
I thought you were really good in the game of thrones books btw. Become FEARLESS. |
Valoche Mrehl
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
14
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:08:00 -
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Regardless of individual circumstance, folks should realize it's all a sham. Hard to know what the angle is until after it comes out, but history tells us someone is cheating and in the end no real punishment will be dished out.
An account might get banned... not exactly hard to keep playing the game. People buy/start new chars all the time.
Or don't we remember last year and the finals?
Or rampant python injecting years prior?
T20? Ferrogel-factories? RMT? Bots? Orcas?
To try to accomplish anything of note in this game, you have to be prepared to cheat because everyone else at that level is. Individually, EVE players are pretty awesome, but the stakes are too high at the upper extremes not to cheat and CCP cannot police it and refuse to (admittedly understandably considering the subscription model) punish those benefitting from a cheater and not just the transgressor themselves.
The Alliance tournament has, what? A conservative 2 trillion in prizes between first and second place? Let's say a PLEX costs 1b. That's 2,000 PLEX. Lets say a PLEX costs U.S. $10. That's $20,000 and I think everyone can see this number is well under the real mark. Even in play/online money it's a lot and people will risk a lot and go to great lengths for it.
Because CCP allows this crap to slide on through time and time again you just KNOW someone is cheating. Whether collusion, crazy python locator agents, old-fashion skullduggery, CSM leaks, DEV leaks, someone has an unfair advantage so the show is just that. A show. A circus. Enjoy it for that and nothing else.
Of course I can't prove it. This stuff comes out after the fact, but it always comes out. The isk is already won and some ships CCP spent a few weeks in wages creating will be seen by 99.9% of EVE in a brief Garmon video and that's it.
Gee Gee CCP.
P.S. On the note of the ships, the economy is so whacked by poor decisions in the past (stagnant plexes, t2 bpos, incursions, sanctums, moongoo, bots, etc etc etc etc) why not just give the winners an isk printing machine and seed some of the bpos for these reward ships. Even if/when they settle at 1-5b each, at least they'll be seen in space from time to time (maybe). The current model is ******** (as in it is a handicapped idea). Or CCP could figure out some other way to seed them (invention 12 months down the line so it's unique for a period.. who knows). |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:50:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:benfolds five wrote:What's going on? People complaining about metagaming in a tournament in a game that has more metagaming in it than anything else...
Oh please, just because meta-gaming is a big part of EVE doesn't mean it has a place in a tournament that is supposed to showcase pvp skill.
The fact that CCP have already taken steps and made rules about collusion shows that they feel the same way.
I honestly can't stand the fact that some otherwise entertaining matches will grind to a halt in the last two minutes as teams barter in local in order to finesse the points system - if not the outcome of the fight entirely - to skew the rankings/progression of teams.
That's just not interesting to me, sorry. |
Apathetic Brent
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:34:00 -
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First off, this thread is garbage. CCP can't control when people burn their guns out. That stuff happens. Have you ever flown in a tournament? Do you know what type of nerves are involved? The match wasn't necessarily thrown.
Now let me throw a scenario at you guys. Say my team brings something rather standard, a mix of sleipnirs frigs etc. We come up against someone with a cheese comp like double rattlesnakes where have zero chance of breaking their tanks. This is a very real situation that any team who practiced had to figure out a way around it. The only way for us to actually win a match is to kill their frigs and then stay out of bouncer range. If we want to win, that is our only option. So about 1:30 in to the match we've killed a few frigs and then we spend the next 8:30 kiting around the arena at 120km.
As a pilot in the tournament, we really don't have any other choice. We can't go in and brawl so we do what we have to do, and then do...nothing. It makes for terrible TV, to be sure, but we're in it to win. |
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Ophey Won
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:43:00 -
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Ok i am getting confused now. Is this topic about FEARLESS, Test or both? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:54:00 -
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Ophey Won wrote:Ok i am getting confused now. Is this topic about FEARLESS, Test or both?
It's about #Delve2012, clearly.
(I think it's the Fearless one, with the burnt out Vindi, but I can't be sure anymore, everything's so blurry) -RubyPorto
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Ophey Won
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:57:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Ophey Won wrote:Ok i am getting confused now. Is this topic about FEARLESS, Test or both? It's about #Delve2012, clearly. (I think it's the Fearless one, with the burnt out Vindi, but I can't be sure anymore, everything's so blurry)
I think thats where it started, not sure where it is now. |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:12:00 -
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well we can hurf blurf about why ccp wont let the commentators drink before they commentate this year. hurf blurfing about the right to be drunk on air is always entertaning |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:58:00 -
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B'reanna wrote:well we can hurf blurf about why ccp wont let the commentators drink before they commentate this year. hurf blurfing about the right to be drunk on air is always entertaning
They don't let them drink? Why? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:07:00 -
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Faife wrote:B'reanna wrote:well we can hurf blurf about why ccp wont let the commentators drink before they commentate this year. hurf blurfing about the right to be drunk on air is always entertaning They don't let them drink? Why?
They don't want a repeat of [User Was Banned for Drunkenly Answering this Question] -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:25:00 -
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Two thoughts:
1.) The match started with the vindi's dishing out serious dps on each other... while it seem to devolve into retardation, it started off as a serious match. The only argument people could provide to the contrary, is the broadsword team was very...... different. It still had enough dps to drop a Vindi through an ASB and enough tank to not be instantly vaporized by vindi dps.... I think their setup definitely qualifies as a valid setup to bring, even if it was very unusual. The dual vindi team was also moderately standard.
2.) Whether the Vindi pilot displayed a serious lack of prowess that we typically expect from tourney pilots, or whether they purposely threw the match after their team got enough points to progress is completely irrelevent. Making a deal with your opponent, while viewed as poor sportsman-like, is pretty standard for the AT. There are many, many matches where this was blatantly done in local. These teams competed at the start of the match, and that's what CCP really asked for... When one team has a solid lead after duking it out, teams are still allowed to sell points and ?victories? to their opponents.... They just can't do so in a manner that completely undermines their tourney progress.
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