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FireIceHulk
Amarr Galactic Defence Consortium Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:28:00 -
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I may be a bit biased here as I do not come from a poor background as most russians do. But it makes me kinda of wonder about all the false propaganda on these forums. The big russian alliances I know AAA, solar, xxdeathxx, IT(russians members, idk about us players) and to some extent even RA(though not many of them) use macros. Many of them use it as way to make a living, but to me they are more like slaves to the shop they work for. AAA of all the alliances is the most prolific of macro farmers, and taught the russian community about this neat exploit one might say. But is it really a exploit? idk, its just automated system.. so to some extent I see nothing bad about macros. What is not good is RMT, its like blood diamonds, people are slaves to their owners for cheap pay. Not the fair communistic russians i know being controlled by capitalism s****greed. I used to think chinese were the sweatshop farmers, but now that I look at it so are the russians.
Now recently on russians forums external/and internal we have had alot of unrest, and lots of trouble. People have been trying to find a way to combat macros. For years we tried to get rid of these macro killers, but ccp said it is within game mechanics. We have no idea what the mechanic is, but some say monkey can be invisible in local?? idk about this. I have seen no proof, and it makes me chuckle when on russian forums we make something fake, and people here actually believe the propaganda. And I hear monkey is actually banned because of these fake videos?? )) I dont like monkey very much either because he killed my raven that was not macro, but this is not the honorable way to act to make lies =/
As I see it your attacking pl on lies. Though they are prolific smack talkers, I see them as one of the great honors of this game. Unlike BOB/IT they never had a dev cheat or macros, unlike most russians they never exploit or use macros. Everything I have seen them do is within the game. Well you can say there are alot of RMT'rs in IT,aaa, and that drone region is hard without macro. And I know pl use alts to tackle ships, but that is not cheating, that is fair in game. Im surprised pl even took down bob when they had devs and all this inside information. So instead of hating the 'player' one might say, lets hate the 'game'. And lets honor alliance such as pl.
So I ask russian community to stop the fake bs propaganda. ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff to protect a few russian capitalistic greedy bastards. Tell them to go get money a real way and stop working for them. I did this a long time ago when they approached me, but like i said I am not poor, maybe its why I roll this way. SO i can understand that.
from moscow, best wishes
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Gesty Riddick
Caldari Broski Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:38:00 -
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Russians are a blight.
You, sir, are a blight.
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Chuang Tzu
Amarr Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:40:00 -
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The big russian alliances IT
English only please. Zymurgist
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Lymitz
Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff.
you sir, got trolled
congratulations
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Romulus XII
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Romulus XII on 26/04/2010 18:11:11 This is why we all support PL's "I lose local packet is not exploit" initiative because it is the only true way to fight macros, and the reason why it was initiated.
"russian capitalistic greedy bastards." "I am not poor"
Whats in your wallet?
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lymitz
Originally by: FireIceHulk ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff.
you sir, got trolled
congratulations
you sir, got trolled
congratulations Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Elektrea
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:31:00 -
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you sir, are in Aeternus. ----------
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Paladin Order Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Elektrea you sir, are in Aeternus.
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moranno
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:56:00 -
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they use a tcpip packet trick to elude the server. basically client sends a packet to server asking to jump to another system. server executes the jump, and then send packet to tell client jump is done and awaits client confirmation.
They used a program to block and nuke the packet client sends to server to ack the system jump. Client jumps and moves in the new system, server never receives the ack, so it does not update local with that new toon there.
They are invisible for some time until server updates by himself the local.
The monkey dude was the inventor of this thing apparently, and he should be banned for this. PL damage control is even worse then when they lost Fountain. Let it be fellas, he did it. Be men and admit it. If it would have been from us ya`ll would have jumped screaming like girls at PMS.
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Hinkledolph
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hinkledolph on 26/04/2010 19:26:54 As Russian and a PL member I would like to be compensated for reading first sentence of this wall of text.
P.S. Aeternus... P.S. Nr.2 @ OP: Teyler? P.S. Nr.3 My beautiful 400 pound wife wants to play "house". What should I do? Edit P.S. Nr.4 @ IT guy: Eat moar vegemite and don't be bitter
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Orree
Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:34:00 -
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Is it really that difficult to leave the nationality of an exploiter (be they a 'bot runner or a haxsploiter) out of the conversation?
Mentioning or discussing nationality adds nothing substantive to the topic. It really only serves to inject irrelevent generalization and it is inflamatory.
---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Elektrea you sir, are in Aeternus.
Correct[dot]
Although, with all the recent PL spin, I have to confess that I did have to check before confirming your claim Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
FireIceHulk
Amarr Galactic Defence Consortium Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: moranno they use a tcpip packet trick to elude the server. basically client sends a packet to server asking to jump to another system. server executes the jump, and then send packet to tell client jump is done and awaits client confirmation.
They used a program to block and nuke the packet client sends to server to ack the system jump. Client jumps and moves in the new system, server never receives the ack, so it does not update local with that new toon there.
They are invisible for some time until server updates by himself the local.
The monkey dude was the inventor of this thing apparently, and he should be banned for this. PL damage control is even worse then when they lost Fountain. Let it be fellas, he did it. Be men and admit it. If it would have been from us ya`ll would have jumped screaming like girls at PMS.
I don't know how people have been so easily fooled by this. This is a made up story from eve-ru. I can only assume you got this info from eve-ru usergroup for monkeys. Because it is the same exact story that was made up in the section to propagate a lie.
This guy has been around for ages. He has been petition multiple times. This packet discussions is nothing new its from 2-3 YEARS ago, and ccp said from before nothing happening that was not legal. So really beating a dead horse with a 3 year old topic, and only ccp has source code so cant figure it out on your own. However since it is the most believable scenario, which is why we looked into it 2 yrs and never figured it out, but its being falsely used as propaganda to get monkey banned.
None of the pvpr's are upset in solar/death which is few compared to macros. However there are some from the past taht used to macro but rich now from aaa and now pvp like aaa so no need for macro, especially when plex nerf there was no point anymore just do moons and only aaa macro ice now.
Really you only see a few people upset about macros getting caught, and repeatdly trying to propaganda their way into fixing it. These people are the same who use macro, cheat and exploit.
The list is AAA, Solar/xxdeathxx, it/bob, sot. These I see all posting here, and also all macro, and I know why, to protect their isk.
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riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:13:00 -
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This thread delivers +1
German Love, riverini
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:38:00 -
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Sir Zzang
Amarr REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk I may be a bit biased here as I do not come from a poor background as most russians do. But it makes me kinda of wonder about all the false propaganda on these forums. The big russian alliances I know AAA, solar, xxdeathxx, IT(russians members, idk about us players) and to some extent even RA(though not many of them) use macros. Many of them use it as way to make a living, but to me they are more like slaves to the shop they work for. AAA of all the alliances is the most prolific of macro farmers, and taught the russian community about this neat exploit one might say. But is it really a exploit? idk, its just automated system.. so to some extent I see nothing bad about macros. What is not good is RMT, its like blood diamonds, people are slaves to their owners for cheap pay. Not the fair communistic russians i know being controlled by capitalism s****greed. I used to think chinese were the sweatshop farmers, but now that I look at it so are the russians.
Now recently on russians forums external/and internal we have had alot of unrest, and lots of trouble. People have been trying to find a way to combat macros. For years we tried to get rid of these macro killers, but ccp said it is within game mechanics. We have no idea what the mechanic is, but some say monkey can be invisible in local?? idk about this. I have seen no proof, and it makes me chuckle when on russian forums we make something fake, and people here actually believe the propaganda. And I hear monkey is actually banned because of these fake videos?? )) I dont like monkey very much either because he killed my raven that was not macro, but this is not the honorable way to act to make lies =/
As I see it your attacking pl on lies. Though they are prolific smack talkers, I see them as one of the great honors of this game. Unlike BOB/IT they never had a dev cheat or macros, unlike most russians they never exploit or use macros. Everything I have seen them do is within the game. Well you can say there are alot of RMT'rs in IT,aaa, and that drone region is hard without macro. And I know pl use alts to tackle ships, but that is not cheating, that is fair in game. Im surprised pl even took down bob when they had devs and all this inside information. So instead of hating the 'player' one might say, lets hate the 'game'. And lets honor alliance such as pl.
So I ask russian community to stop the fake bs propaganda. ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff to protect a few russian capitalistic greedy bastards. Tell them to go get money a real way and stop working for them. I did this a long time ago when they approached me, but like i said I am not poor, maybe its why I roll this way. SO i can understand that.
from moscow, best wishes
Stop using drugs please~ _ :D! |
Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Metal Dude on 26/04/2010 21:09:59
Originally by: FireIceHulk Garbage
Nice try PL, but sacrificing one spy to spew some propaganda is only worth it when making it not too obvious.
The truth will set you free
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Die Kutte
Gallente Endstati0n Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:14:00 -
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Start banning macroers, its either cheating or RMT which means direct harm to a good game. I dont care if someone is poor and needs 23/7 macroing for a living, it ruins the game.
If there is a cheating-tool to kill those cheaters I would welcome it. If the tool only delays the local then it simulates the local like it should be. A delayed local would let us get rid of that macroer-scum.
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Firkragg
Amarr Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:26:00 -
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monkeysphere, the gift that keeps on giving.
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Romulus XII
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:29:00 -
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MD, His cover was already blown because he is not poor
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Corcoran State
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:24:00 -
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Oh noes, there are Russians in the game? Man I hate Russians. I hate spinach more, but Russians are like a very close second. I hate it when they crawl up your leg and like, into your underpants and then they suck on your b@lls and like, shoot lasers from their eyes and stuff. And I hate their perfect hair and their ultra white teeth. Damn those Russians to hell man! I hate that they have bigger members than us and that they have perfect rythm and stuff. Russians are like spinach man! Like, when they build a nest above you front door, from like clay and stuff. And they only stay there in the summer and in winter they go to Portugal or some other French colony. Man Russians pi$$ me off!!!
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Tibalt Avalon
Amarr Suck my Titan Swords Of Athena
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:06:00 -
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Is good thread imho Hardstyle Ambassador |
Tara Vega
Gallente Third Return Inc. On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus XII Edited by: Romulus XII on 26/04/2010 18:11:11 This is why we all support PL's "I lose local packet is not exploit" initiative because it is the only true way to fight macros, and the reason why it was initiated.
"russian capitalistic greedy bastards." "I am not poor"
Whats in your wallet?
Capital One?
Any sufficiently advanced skill is indistinguishable from hacking...
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Prieith
Gallente Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:52:00 -
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Blah, i bet most of the Russians here are richer than the Americans, and we Norwegians is like filthy nuts rich, and the Germans play for free anyways, and the Englishmen get money from their parents to play, and the French have all pirate copies of EvE and dont pay anyways, and the Japanese were the ones that actually made this game, and the 7 people who made it still plays, but their 2700 alts are controlled by robots, and the Icelanders dont play any more and are off on a beach drinking cool umbrella drinks, living off the investments they made in CCP.
Who did i leave out?
http://www.smash-alliance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39190 |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: moranno
They are invisible for some time until server updates by himself the local.
The monkey dude was the inventor of this thing apparently, and he should be banned for this. PL damage control is even worse then when they lost Fountain. Let it be fellas, he did it. Be men and admit it. If it would have been from us ya`ll would have jumped screaming like girls at PMS.
ANZAC never fails to deliver. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.27 01:43:00 -
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Ban all hackers and exploiters. Ban IT, ban anyone who used the ferrogel exploit (Ev0ke/AAA), ban ROL for ebaying isk. You might see a pattern in who should be banned...
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MyHonIa
Gallente Assisted Genocide
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk None of the pvpr's are upset in solar/death which is few compared to macros. However there are some from the past taht used to macro but rich now from aaa and now pvp like aaa so no need for macro, especially when plex nerf there was no point anymore just do moons and only aaa macro ice now.
1) please prove that aaa are the only ones in game that use ice macroing and if they at all do so. Also you state that xxdeathxx used to use macros, please provide that proof as well and also the proof that it really is only in the past.
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Really you only see a few people upset about macros getting caught, and repeatdly trying to propaganda their way into fixing it. These people are the same who use macro, cheat and exploit.
The list is AAA, Solar/xxdeathxx, it/bob, sot. These I see all posting here, and also all macro, and I know why, to protect their isk.
2) so now it is not only aaa, but all mentioned alliances INCLUDING YOUR OWN that use macros extensively, makes no sense considering your previous statement that it is only aa.
Afaik it was an SE guy that filmed this exploit on the test server and brought it all out into light, wether or not monkey did use that particular exploit is irelevant, using an exploit to catch an exploiter is still cheating wether you like it or not.
Tbh fireicehulk you seem to not fully understand what it is you yourself are typing and as such probably shouldnt do it in the first place, Stop typing.
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FireIceHulk
Amarr Galactic Defence Consortium Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: MyHonIa 2) so now it is not only aaa, but all mentioned alliances INCLUDING YOUR OWN that use macros extensively, makes no sense considering your previous statement that it is only aa.
re-read my first few lines of my first post, I never stated that it was only aaa. That would be absurd. Solar and death are leave it out in the open on their forums, all the botting programs and such. You would know this but you talk with no experience. Now I havent been in aaa for a few years now, but they also had bot programs on their forums, they may be deleted now. I do not know because I no longer have access. However it would be absurd to consider aaa or aaa citzens do not use bots, they use them blatantly.
Most of the time when you get caught with botting ccp actually does not ban you immediately. First offense is like a day, 2nd offense a couple days and so on. If they even follow through on the first offense that is. If you manage to isk sell in a way ccp does not notice you will get these light bans, russians are very good at getting these *light* bans through a few methods ( can be found on their forums). The chinese however were much more blatant with their macros and spamming(being obvious), they are no longer around because they were too disruptive.
Macros are not that disrupting to ccp profit as long as its not blatant isk selling. That is why ccp does not ban them, because it does not hurt the their profit margin as much as the chinese farmers. After all they are trying to maximize profit which is no problem. RMT hurts ccp image, macros do not; seems to be the bottom line.
3 years russians have been trying this, usually with petitions and internal forums. However this is the first time the rus community has tried to outreach to forums to get through with their objectives by all means necessary.
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Sneaky Noob
Caldari Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Prieith Blah, i bet most of the Russians here are richer than the Americans, and we Norwegians is like filthy nuts rich, and the Germans play for free anyways, and the Englishmen get money from their parents to play, and the French have all pirate copies of EvE and dont pay anyways, and the Japanese were the ones that actually made this game, and the 7 people who made it still plays, but their 2700 alts are controlled by robots, and the Icelanders dont play any more and are off on a beach drinking cool umbrella drinks, living off the investments they made in CCP.
Who did i leave out?
what about us mexicans? ----- The Sneakiest Noob in EVE |
Somal Thundir
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: moranno
They are invisible for some time until server updates by himself the local.
The monkey dude was the inventor of this thing apparently, and he should be banned for this. PL damage control is even worse then when they lost Fountain. Let it be fellas, he did it. Be men and admit it. If it would have been from us ya`ll would have jumped screaming like girls at PMS.
Okay. I give up. I admit that the monkeysphere has used a hax called "The Sphere" to create a forcefield around his ship that protects him from local.
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