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Tenchi Sal
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.30 11:58:00 -
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as an american industrialist, as soon as i come home almost all if not all the ABCs are gone when i get home from work. i have a full time job. i, like many of my american counter parts, work. by the time alot of us get home to play, the good minerals are gone because downtime/uptime starts perfectly in time for the prime times of european/asian countries, letting them have all the good ores and leaving us crap. same goes for alot of the mag/radar sites that spawn in upgraded systems. all gone within a matter of hours. this greatly favorites europeans/asians while putting north/south americans at a disadvantage. how about changing the DT/UP times on different days to be more fair for EVERYONE?
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:08:00 -
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Sheesh.... Another post about this...
How about you spare a thought for the guys at CCP who have to work on the servers at the DT time.
Maybe they want the DT to be at the time it is so if things go wrong they have the afternoon to fix it, rather than them having to get up a 3am to work on a DT.
Why dont you look in unmined systems for your ABC and exploration sites respawn when they are completed, so they shouldnt all be gone!
upgraded systems - isnt that an alliance thing? Ask your alliance to save you some sites.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:28:00 -
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DT is a technical requirement of the game scheduled to suit the developers, not a game mechanic subject to balancing requirements.
The only remotely practical solution would be to remove downtime completely - which I think they intended to do originally, but obviously haven't been able to. -
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Di Mulle on 30/04/2010 12:53:27 Moving DT is rather, hehe... exotic and impractical idea.
But CCP should really look into their spawning code.
On the other hand europeans pay more, at least until euro hasn't fallen down j/k
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Party Scout on 30/04/2010 13:05:36 How about moving to a less populated system?
I have no problems finding rocks 23/7 in high sec, I'm just in a less traveled system. No need for CCP to change DT if you just want to find rocks.
Go to the rocks, if they won't come to you.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:38:00 -
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I would not mind if the downtime was during the night when I sleep. I am from Europe.
I also do not care how CCP maintains their servers. I pay for it so that I do not have to care about it. --
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tenchi Sal as an american industrialist, as soon as i come home almost all if not all the ABCs are gone when i get home from work. i have a full time job. i, like many of my american counter parts, work. by the time alot of us get home to play, the good minerals are gone because downtime/uptime starts perfectly in time for the prime times of european/asian countries, letting them have all the good ores and leaving us crap. same goes for alot of the mag/radar sites that spawn in upgraded systems. all gone within a matter of hours. this greatly favorites europeans/asians while putting north/south americans at a disadvantage. how about changing the DT/UP times on different days to be more fair for EVERYONE?
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:54:00 -
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Get fired, move country, work from home, stop the earth spinning - all valid options for your shyt hot mining career.
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Jita Bloodtear
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:04:00 -
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As a serious miner I can tell you this is a real issue. There are often no other systems, as you're doing 0.0 mining in upgraded space. Cherry pickers come along and suck in all ABCM in a matter of hours, leaving everyone with inflexible schedules with gneiss/spodumain at best. This is not a matter of "go somewhere else", eating ABCM takes a fraction the time of mining an actual belt, it doesn't matter how many systems there are, poachers will likely get them all
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound I do not mind screwing others over to benefit myself.
I do not care about the practicality of ideas, I simply want them done.
The first will help you in EVE, the latter will not. -
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mimshot
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Di Mulle But CCP should really look into their spawning code.
This.
I understand the technical need for DT and the desire to place it at a convenient time for the sysadmins, but there is no reason spawns have to occur at the same time every day.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: mimshot
Originally by: Di Mulle But CCP should really look into their spawning code.
This.
I understand the technical need for DT and the desire to place it at a convenient time for the sysadmins, but there is no reason spawns have to occur at the same time every day.
Now, this is a good suggestion. I would not mind a more random spawn time for rocks.
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound I pay for it so that I do not have to care about it.
So does the person from the opposite side of the planet.
Am I missing something, you are very special in some other way too, apart from being a paying customer ?
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:40:00 -
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Spawn times should definately be random and then carry over across down time if no one has mined/explored/completed the site/belt/whatever.
Maybe for anything that spawn once every 24 hours now, give it a 12-24 hour cooldown before it respawns somewhere else. Belts used to be twice a week, dunno if they still are, haven't checked in a long time. Have belts replentish every 72-96 hours. ect. If it's too much of a load to have every single site respawn on it's own timer split all the sites into a dozen groups, have each site in a group spawn on the same timer but the different groups on seperate timers. Reorganize the groups every couple weeks or month or whatever.
There's lots of way this could get fixed. Having everything spawn at the same time (npc trade orders are the same aren't they?) kills immersion, and makes everything too predictable. Randomness keeps things interesting.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.04.30 15:40:00 -
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Downtime, as I understand it is where it is so that the CCP staff in London can deal with it at a reasonable time.
However, if this is true, and bearing in mind that the British working day is normally 9-5, then surely there is some flexibility about when CCP has downtime?
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.30 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Downtime, as I understand it is where it is so that the CCP staff in London can deal with it at a reasonable time.
However, if this is true, and bearing in mind that the British working day is normally 9-5, then surely there is some flexibility about when CCP has downtime?
Not really... Regardless of the time they pick, it will always conflict with someone, somewhere. I prefer they have a fixed time so we can work around it. If they start changing the maintenance time around, it would probably be worse.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Di Mulle Am I missing something, you are very special in some other way too, apart from being a paying customer ?
Yes, you miss the topic - I am not the topic. --
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:34:00 -
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Moving down time isn't the problem, nor a solution. It also won't happen. Move past it.
The way sites, belts, ect respawn is the problem.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.30 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax The way sites, belts, ect respawn is the problem.
The way it is done might be because of some ancient code, which is directly linked to the downtime processes. Any change in how it is being done now could mean a complete rewrite of the code from scratch. --
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.30 18:38:00 -
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I think the advantages of being an American player balance out the disadvantages. For example, we enjoy pretty low server traffic in the last few hours before downtime. This means we have a pretty easy time hauling expensive things through lowsec, and can rat or mine in 0.0 relatively unmolested. For traders, it might mean that we can adjust our market prices to beat our competitors, and get all the business for the next 12-16 hours. For explorers, it means there's little competition for the late-spawning plexes.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.05.02 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound The way it is done might be because of some ancient code, which is directly linked to the downtime processes. Any change in how it is being done now could mean a complete rewrite of the code from scratch.
Well then it's probably time for a rewrite. Seems to me that some right random spawns, both time and location, would be a worth while goal. Then again I know nothing of code.
If enough people ask for it, it'll probably happen.
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.05.14 08:52:00 -
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well ok so other miners are effectively taking the roids you want constantly ok well it is a first come first served imo. now on the other hand this is a sand box and although im a miner/industrialist and dont usually condone killing miners there is that option open for you war them and chase them out of the system you want.
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eleve
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Posted - 2010.05.14 11:48:00 -
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Exploration sites spawns already randomly, not only at DT.
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.05.14 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn The only remotely practical solution would be to remove downtime completely - which I think they intended to do originally, but obviously haven't been able to.
I heard this, too. One wonders why, in 7 years, they haven't been able to figure this out. ffs, Earth and Beyond didn't need a daily reboot, and it was comparatively lame.
And yes, it's annoying that anyone with a (typical) job that lives to the west of the Greenwich Meridian gets the shaft w.r.t. the good ores.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.14 21:18:00 -
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so wait..... your complaining that dt isn't smack bang in the middle of your play time?
it could be worse dude. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker |
Your Client
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Posted - 2010.05.14 21:39:00 -
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DT = the same time (pretty much) every day. with full respawns of ore, rats, and plexes. If you are on dutring dt you are more likely to find the 10/10 and the faction rats. You have your choosing of all the ABC ore.
I just think DT is a ploy to get back at the "Man" -- Americans and Canadians -- for being so cool
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.14 23:13:00 -
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As someone who specialized in officer hunting for a couple years, with over 60 found officer spawns. I can tell you that DT plays huge part in successful officer hunting.
I have played EVE from different time zones. I know from personal experience that I get significantly more officer spawns if I check the belts within 1-2 hours after dt. It's not really fair to all the players who are unable to login at that time.
There is an easy fix solution for this: the very first post-server-reboot spawn cannot be faction or officer. This would level the playing field, making officer spawns completely independent of server reboots. And if CCP feels particularly nice, they could compensate drop in officer spawns by increasing their overall spawn rate. If they don't feel lazy, they can analyze their server logs to confirm my information - and get the numbers for calculating proper spawn rate boost.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.05.15 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 15/05/2010 00:01:19 I'll sign this lol. I am in the asian tz and the dt is a pita lol.
The dt falls in our and the Aussie TZ primetime. Makes things like roams and ops a pita to plan. You may log with say 20 people at dt, after could be missing your logi's, your dps, your fast supports. Or flipside of coin is you could be the missing ship and got a fun solo trip home if you aren't glued to voice comms and the computer to log in right away.
Also sounds like op in a null sec corp (or is ninjya mining ABC in null sec) with a strong Asian/Aussie presence. dual edged sword man....they get first crack at rocks. Also got the numbers on an off shift to keep up 23/7 coverage for defence or attack. Get all the pita of a pos bash...and usually get none of the km ho goodness (RF'd towers come out way past out bedtime next night 99% of the time).
Grass is always greener, I'd like to see DT moved to US time 2000, not all the goodness you think it is. If an hour long one...log back in knowing you either got a drag ass work day tomorrow...or plan on a good stopping point within 2 hours of relogin. Longer it takes for people to organize something...less fun stuff you are doing.
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.05.16 10:50:00 -
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Just think of the dt being in EURO time zone as revenge for the 99% of other games that all seem to be in the US time zone. Where us EURO players always end up with the scraps off your dinner tables so stop complaining about the fact that its us EURO'S who came up with eve and that its actually hosted in EUROPE. now you guys get to suffer for a change sucks dont it
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.05.16 11:35:00 -
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If you actually are in nullsec, just go get yourself an IHUB with the industrial add-on, and you should have endless mining anomalies spawning just for you. Alternately, probe down some w-space systems, mine the ABC from there.
In the meantime regular downtime is the only way I get to bed before midnight. I don't want it going away.
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