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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.05 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: Brock Nelson Because they're about to be nerfed
Bull****! Those that are for sale are just not profitable enough anymore and people are trying to make some money out of it by selling them. Anyone with an abacus can do the math.
I was told by a dev they're getting nerfed and, possibly, deleted. Call BS all you want but it's always been CCP's intention to remove them from game and This Is It.
Im calling bullcrap on this. seriously if they backed off of a plan to bascialy arbitrarily delete what was bascialy a handfull of fairly easily replaced ships and items because it suddenly dawned on them that arbitrarily taking things away from players is a bad buisness modle then I seriously doubt that they will touch T2 Bpos.
they may replace the current invention with a system that allows people to bascialy create new T2 bpos but thats probably going to be the extent of it.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.05.05 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas they may replace the current invention with a system that allows people to bascialy create new T2 bpos but thats probably going to be the extent of it.
lol, why would they replace a working system with more of the old, bad relics?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.05 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Grendell WTB - T2 BPO's, not paying well since they are getting nerfed.
I'll offer 1.1% above Grendell's offers or if you contract me any you have for 1bil you can have cash now ready for the expansion
I think I could sell you a Quake L BPO for that sum.
I need only to remove those 20 cm of dust it as gathered.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: Steve Thomas they may replace the current invention with a system that allows people to bascialy create new T2 bpos but thats probably going to be the extent of it.
lol, why would they replace a working system with more of the old, bad relics?
because you would have the option of messing with invention for T2 or creating your own T2 BPO, wich would free up the Datacores for other uses(T3 invention, T4 invention and so on)
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Umega
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:58:00 -
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Why.. cause it is two weeks til mega-patch. Not really anything new going on imo.. market gets screwy around this time with rumors, manipulation, speculation.
Bad for business if CCP does something that sinks them T2 BPOs signficantly. Really simple reasoning. The same that kills any MMO.
If they don't care about such pillars of achievement and success stories, which is ultimately what a T2 BPO means now a days more than anything.. then they could do it again, and again, and again to anyone til everything is oh so balanced. Not a fun feeling to be paying money for. Sorry if this is bit of a shocker, but really holds true in video games..
Balance = Vanilla
Take a dramiel.. chances are its goin' to kill you, or bolt easily from you. But how does that sensation feel when you actually kill one in a gf? More intense because of what the dramiel currently stands for.
Spend however long it may take someone to build wealth.. then you see it for sale, right when you have jus' enough to get it. A shiny T2 BPO, a good one.. one of ship or module your fond of. You know that feeling, heart stoooops.. then THUMP, gulp.. adrenline kicks in.
Take that kind of 'overpowered' pillars from a game.. and it gets boring, fast. Game dies.
The End.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.05 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 05/05/2010 20:01:29
There was nothing in the CSM logs about T2 BPO, they confirm ghost RP nerfing. It is obvious why they are censored; market stability.
Fewer datacores post patch. The price will rise. Speculators will buy out the market pre-patch, to exploit the post-patch market situation and further exasperate the shortage. Datacore prices will go crazy. Players with ghost RP would activate inactive accounts to profit from the rising prices, defeating a primary objective.
It's why the original Assembly Hall proposal was always stupid and I voted against it, but the stupid baying mob will always shout down reasoned argument.
Once I say which way the wind was blowing, is why I've been buying datacores for weeks. Don't forget CCP have a history censoring things that cause market instability.
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Triana Abendroth
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Posted - 2010.05.06 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Triana Abendroth on 06/05/2010 04:49:16 any links/details to the ghost datacore nerf?
I've got 2.5 years worth of RP that i haven't even thought about since i left for 0.0....
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.06 05:20:00 -
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I have 17mil, can I have one?
I think I did that right. By the way, this is my signature.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.06 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
I think I could sell you a Quake L BPO for that sum.
I need only to remove those 20 cm of dust it as gathered.
umm, I'll pass - though if you want me to take it off your hands and see if I can sell anything from it I'll go 50/50 on profits -- | Capital |
clixoras
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 05/05/2010 20:01:29
Once I say which way the wind was blowing, is why I've been buying datacores for weeks.
As far i can see DC prices are still dropping.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.06 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Triana Abendroth Edited by: Triana Abendroth on 06/05/2010 04:49:16 any links/details to the ghost datacore nerf?
I've got 2.5 years worth of RP that i haven't even thought about since i left for 0.0....
There is a long proposal thread in the Assembly Hall and confirmation in the CSM logs. Characters on unsubscribed accounts will a) lose the ability to accumulate more RP, and/or b) lose any RP accumulated while not subscribed.
Assuming more than one agent in your shoes I would get a PLEX on the account and cash them in before the patch otherwise you will likely lose them. Their value will easily cover the cost of a PLEX.
Originally by: clixoras
As far i can see DC prices are still dropping.
Your sentence is true, so still plenty of opportunity to buy and I will continue to do so.
Not sure what your point is with , my grammar error in the sentence you quoted? Which I have BTW corrected, but I think you understood what it should have been anyway.
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.05.06 13:11:00 -
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Lets be generous and say that 600 people own T2 BPOs. From 300k accounts I dont think you will be missed when you ragequit tbh.
Ghost farming should have gone the journey that same time as everything else 'ghost.'
Id like to see everything related to an account switch off when the account goes inactive: market orders, contracts, RP, skills, - the lot.
As far as CCP actually doing something about the T2 BPO situation after all these years, ill believe it when i see it. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
tehsuxOr
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:09:00 -
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600 people? LMAO, you need to learn to use a calculator.
Try thousands.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n Lets be generous and say that 600 people own T2 BPOs. From 300k accounts I dont think you will be missed when you ragequit tbh.
Ghost farming should have gone the journey that same time as everything else 'ghost.'
Id like to see everything related to an account switch off when the account goes inactive: market orders, contracts, RP, skills, - the lot.
As far as CCP actually doing something about the T2 BPO situation after all these years, ill believe it when i see it.
Dude, you are mixing so many terms that people could think you are clueless... First: ghost farming will only affect invention and has absolutly nothing to do with (nerfing) T2 BPOs. Remember: datacores are used during the invention process. Building from BPOs you only need the components. Second: if you quit eve (due to money issues, RL changes, boredom) and want to return after a year or so, it would NOT be nice to have nothing - no money, no skills, no clue ..... If that would happen ccp can say goodbuy to anybody who quits.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n [pink]Lets be generous and say that 600 people own T2 BPOs. From 300k accounts I dont think you will be missed when you ragequit tbh.
Let's be conservative and say the number is closer to 8,000 (There are 10-20,000 T2 BPOs). Then lets not stretch things too much, and say they are corp assets of players numbering in tens of thousands. Then let us imagine that they are owned by players that typically have multiple accounts, in many cases well over half a dozen each. You could conceivably lose 1/5th the player base, and further, players who've never owned such a BPO, may begin to rethink investing time in a game where all their work for years can be wiped with the press of a button, for no net benefit to any other player, for no reason other than no other player wanted to do the SAME or LESS work to get the exact same benefit.
It wouldn't be a surprise to see ghost RP switched off, that being something which actually effects other players, unlike ghost training which does not. And that was switched off without a second thought because CCP figured it would make them some money.
Killing market orders and contracts makes no sense. The brokerage fee for those is paid up front when they are placed. There is actually a massive disadvantage to having an inactive character with active orders, because they can't be adjusted that character stands to lose considerable isk given they can't adapt to the market. On the other hand people who let their account lapse because the client doesn't give them an indication before their account expires, would be quite upset at having to replace hundreds of orders, and potentially quit over it.
There quite simply ISN'T a T2 BPO situation. There was a lottery situation, which was fixed. No issue at all exists currently for there to be something done about. T2 BPOs are owned by people who gave up isk to own them, just the same as any one of the 300,000 subscribers may do today. The reason they CHOOSE not to, is because they are underpowered.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major .. Second: if you quit eve (due to money issues, RL changes, boredom) and want to return after a year or so, it would NOT be nice to have nothing - no money, no skills, no clue ..... If that would happen ccp can say goodbuy to anybody who quits.
maybe you should check ghost training whine threadnaught. your argument didn't help back then, so why should it help ghost datacore farming? ccp should be consistent with their policy. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel |
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes maybe you should check ghost training whine threadnaught. your argument didn't help back then, so why should it help ghost datacore farming? ccp should be consistent with their policy.
Oh, I am completely against ghost farming! Only active chars should train skills and farm datacores. Inactive accounts should be suspended and their research or buy/sell orders cancelled. BUT I am extremly against what the guy said about removing assets and skills!
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes ccp should be consistent with their policy.
Like they are with deep safes and T2 BPOs. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: tehsuxOr 600 people? LMAO, you need to learn to use a calculator.
Can you explain how the calculator will help me please?
Originally by: Lutz Major BUT I am extremly against what the guy said about removing assets and skills!
thats a misunderstanding. Its the pink I think. Ghost related items stop. You may keep skills and ISK!
Originally by: Lord Fitz (There are 10-20,000 T2 BPOs)
source please.
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Ravelin Eb
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:11:00 -
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WTS: 6x 10MN MWD BPO's _________________________________
Boo hoo. Cry some more. |
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tehsuxOr
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:19:00 -
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Rellik B00n I think you are confused about how many T2 BPO's are roughly in existence. I say roughly because there's no way to tell exactly how many got destroyed or how a many are on banned accounts.
So why don't you go use eve-search, as there has been many threads regarding how many are existence. So you can keep your made up numbers in your head
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.05.06 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 06/05/2010 21:48:17 Ill go one further than confused: I have absolutely no idea how many T2 BPOs are in existence.
some data
either way, even with those numbers its still only about 3% of active accounts, Im fine with that it leaves more room for me + LDSkill+hireLDS |
RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.05.06 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: Steve Thomas they may replace the current invention with a system that allows people to bascialy create new T2 bpos but thats probably going to be the extent of it.
lol, why would they replace a working system with more of the old, bad relics?
it works because it is all that most players have. you can take a square peg and sand it down and jam it into a round hole.
I mean look how far the minmatar got with scrap metal and duct tape.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.05.06 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 06/05/2010 22:40:48
Originally by: Rellik B00n Edited by: Rellik B00n on 06/05/2010 21:48:17 Ill go one further than confused: I have absolutely no idea how many T2 BPOs are in existence.
some data
either way, even with those numbers its still only about 3% of active accounts, Im fine with that it leaves more room for me
rellik, lord fitz and tehsuxzor are trying to educate your ignorant ass. Listen to them muppet.
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.05.07 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
rellik, lord fitz and tehsuxzor are trying to educate your ignorant ass. Listen to them muppet.
Noted, and in fairness I have already conceded that there are in fact somewhere over 10,000 BPOs rather than 600. That is fine.
It does not change the fact that after reading many "nerf T2 BPO" threads in my time the balanced decsion i have reached is that we're better off without them. That is my opinion and no amount of name calling will change that. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.05.07 14:55:00 -
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Heh if they nerf em or take em out i will be one happy bunny watch the price of modules jump 3times their original *drools* knowledge is power |
Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.07 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen Heh if they nerf em or take em out i will be one happy bunny watch the price of modules jump 3times their original *drools*
Sorry to disappoint you, but if T2 BPOs were taken out and invention stayed the same, module prices would probably fall due to all the new inventors entering the market thinking there is free isk to be had (and not bothering to do the calculations first).
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.05.07 15:27:00 -
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I think the situation you described happens on a daily basis.You can't just enter like that there are skills that have to be trained for you to be able to make profit.If someone wants to enter the industry he won't wait for opening he will just do it.Also there many ways to drive newcomers out of the market.Don't forget there are many producers like me who are also skilled traders knowledge is power |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n Noted, and in fairness I have already conceded that there are in fact somewhere over 10,000 BPOs rather than 600. That is fine.
I take it you don't need me to go trawling through the dev blogs to find the source then? It was by Oveur if you're looking (and probably 3-4 years old now). Before the lottery was even removed.
Quote: the balanced decsion i have reached is that we're better off without them.
My question is that, aside from the psychological benefit of destroying someone else's sandcastle, what benefit to you does removing them have? Because this is the question that no one has been able to answer.
Quote: I think the situation you described happens on a daily basis.You can't just enter like that there are skills that have to be trained for you to be able to make profit.If someone wants to enter the industry he won't wait for opening he will just do it.
Observationally, this is not the case, simply watch what happens following every patch where new T2 items are introduced. Tens of thousands of inventors ramp up, and within about 3 production cycles stellar profits turn into mediocre ones, and then into losses, and then those inventors depart the market again, awaiting the next patch. They are sitting there, trained, but unwilling to compete with people that only need to make enough isk to pay for their GTC by running all their slots 24x7. There is plenty of spare invention capacity already, it's just those willing to accept less isk force those who want more out.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.08 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen I think the situation you described happens on a daily basis...
Yes, every day new inventors enter the scene without doing any calculations before they start their jobs. After a while they figure out that they are not making any money. They typically blame it on T2 BPOs, and then they go do something else. What do you think all those failed inventors will do the day they find out that T2 BPOs have been removed?
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