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Jish Ness
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Posted - 2010.05.05 10:00:00 -
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I've been concerned with lowsec as being more useful to people other than pirates, factional warfare, and pvp. I logged on to SISI to see how the changes would effect the Hemorphite, Hedbergite, and Jaspet ores. They all do get a nice amount of minerals added to their refine yield, but it doesn't help them compete with the highsec ores. It is still more profitable to mine highsec ores over the lowsec ones.
The new Hemorphite yield is only worth about 6-7% more than the old one in liquid isk, without going into detail. Logon to SISI if you want to know more.
Why would anyone ever venture out into dangerous space when there's not even a good reward for it? I'm not pushing for lowsec ores to be worth more than 0.0, but certainly more than highsec.
There's still time before the expansion hits, lets show CCP we care about our pirate infested asteroid belts! Make lowsec ores worth more than highsec!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.05 10:16:00 -
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Mining in losec is inherently more dangerous than mining in 0.0, because you can't secure losec space.
The only way to reanimate lo-sec mining is to introduce something that can't be found anywhere else.
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Jish Ness
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Posted - 2010.05.05 10:23:00 -
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Nullsec also sports bombs and bubbles. I've lost barges due to this. Just because you can't secure it as you say does not mean its any less dangerous than nullsec. It is sad to lose 6 barges to bombers.
Also, these ores can be found in nullsec as well. Why aren't they getting a bigger boost if just for that reason?
Supporting my own topic.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:04:00 -
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YOu are forgetting that at the same time of the buffing of low sec ores there will be a nerfing of mission loot and drone alloys, with a probable increase in value for the zydrine and loss in value for some of the minerals found in high sec.
So the proportional buff of low sec minerals probably will be larger than the 6-7% you cite.
That if the market follow CCP previsions, something that is not granted.
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Slimy Worm
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Posted - 2010.05.05 19:20:00 -
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Supported.
What if, instead of their current changes, CCP did something like this (note: the numbers are for illustrating a concept; do not take them literally):
Veldspar: 333 units refines 500 Veldspar Scordite: 333 units refines 525 Veldspar, 200 Pyerite Pyroxeres: 333 units refines 550 Veldspar, 225 Pyerite, 100 Mexallon, 10 Nocxium ... Bistot: 333 units refines 800 Veldspar, 350 Pyerite, 210 Mexallon, 20 Nocxium... 350 Zydrine, 170 Megacyte
Basically, it would never be more profitable to mine in highsec if lowsec and nullsec ores produced as much highsec minerals as highsec ores in addition to also producing lowsec and nullsec minerals.
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Jish Ness
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Posted - 2010.05.05 19:49:00 -
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Drone compounds have less high end and more low end minerals now, close to 78% less I would say. (I don't have perfect refine, could be wrong about that). Drone compounds did not make up a significant portion of the tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, or isogen. Mission loot did. And with less of that being brought in due to changes in loot drops, these minerals will rise in value as well.
Even assuming the lowend minerals dont't rise in price, and assuming a 78% increase in price for zydrine... Scordite is still worth about 40% more than Hemorphite.
The changes aren't enough. Something else must be done with the lowsec ores to make them worth more.
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Alpha KennyWun
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Posted - 2010.05.05 20:19:00 -
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I will agree with the Op on this one.
More needs to be done to balance out mining. Maybe even going so far as to make it so that only X types of ore can be found in Lowsec.
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killer johnson
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Posted - 2010.05.05 23:44:00 -
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They really do need to increase the value. As a miner, there really is no motivation to go and even think about lowsec mining when the risk/reward ratio is completely skewed. |
HairySack Hangin
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Posted - 2010.05.06 00:00:00 -
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Want to make lowsec worthwhile and increase the value of ores?
Move Crok/Bistot to lowsec , leave the gneiss/dark ochre in nullsec. Let 'em enjoy their high security patrolled turf while giving lowsec a reason to exist.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.05.06 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jish Ness
The changes aren't enough. Something else must be done with the lowsec ores to make them worth more.
Lower refine batch amount? That way less ore makes more?
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