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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2010.05.05 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Soon Shin on 05/05/2010 12:16:03 With a growing prominence of smaller scale ships, there is a growing lack of a true anti-frigate platform(frigates vs frigates don't count). Destroyers have been left in the dark after the hp boost, greatly weakening their anti-frigate role(thrasher seems to be the only one that works to an extent). Their lack of survivability has also played a role in this.
We have stealth bombers which specializes in destroying large ships as a smaller ship.
So I came up with the idea of a ship class that would bring doom to smaller ships, encourage more usage of ships of larger scales.
I introduce the idea of the T2 destroyer class - Corvettes.
These specialized ships roles are to destroy frigates and destroyers hulls.
All Hulls will be given T2 assault Resists.
Perseus
Hull: Gallente Catalyst
Special Ability: 100% bonus in Small Hybrid Turret Damage
Destroyer Skill Bonus: 10% small hybrid turret falloff and tracking per level
Corvette Skill Bonus: 10% velocity factor and range of stasis webifiers per level.
Drone Bay/Bandwidth: 50m3 / 25mb
4 H/ 5 M/ 4L
4 Turrets/0 Launchers
Slayer
Hull: Amarr Coercer
Special Ability: 100% bonus in Small Energy Turret Damage
Destroyer Skill Bonus: 10% small energy turret optimal range and tracking per level.
Corvette Skill Bonus: 40% Energy Neutralizer and Vampire range and 20% transfer amount per level.
6 H/ 3 M/ 6 L
4 Turret/ 0 Launchers
Drone bay/bandwidth: 30m3 / 15mb
Oni
Hull: Caldari Cormorant
Special Ability: 100% missile damage
Destroyer Skills Bonus: 10% standard and rocket missile velocity and explosion velocity per level.
Corvette Skill Bonus: 20% target painter bonus and 7.5% missile rate of fire per level.
4 H/ 6 M/ 4L
0 Turrets/ 4 Launchers
Drone bay/ bandwidth 20m3/10mb
Jotunn
Hull: Minmatar Thrasher
Special Ability: 100% Projectile damage
Destoyer Skill Bonus: 10% small projectile turret tracking and 5% damage per level.
Corvette Skill Bonus: 10% ship velocity and small projectile turret falloff per level.
4 H/ 5M/ 5 L
4 Turrets/ 0 Launchers
Drone Bay/ Bandwidth: 30m3 / 15mb
This is the idea that I have thought about so far. I am aware that some of these might be overpowered, but I want some input from other players.
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Daenosa
Pineal Squeegee
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:00:00 -
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or sort existing T1 destroyers out? as you said the thrasher is fine, the others need bringing in line with it
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:01:00 -
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arty thrasher already kill frigates in 1-2 volleys already.
do you have rough numbers on volley damage of your new thrasher hull based ship?
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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Soon Shin on 05/05/2010 12:09:47 Edited by: Soon Shin on 05/05/2010 12:07:37
Originally by: darius mclever arty thrasher already kill frigates in 1-2 volleys already.
do you have rough numbers on volley damage of your new thrasher hull based ship?
It does 14% more damage than the regular thrasher, assuming the thrashers doesn't put a launcher on its 8th slot.
In volley damage numbers:
T1 Thrasher with 280mm II without gyros will do 1467 volley with RF EMP at max skills.
Jotunn will do 1672 volley.
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Boss Lemming
Gallente BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:26:00 -
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Quote: Perseus
Hull: Gallente Catalyst
Special Ability: 100% bonus in Small Hybrid Turret Damage
Destroyer Skill Bonus: 10% small hybrid turret falloff and tracking per level
Corvette Skill Bonus: 10% velocity factor and range of stasis webifiers per level.
hell yes
Originally by: Alchemist's Alt I stopped mining because you mean pirates kept blowing me up.[...] now I am doing all the blowing up. Shadow
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:43:00 -
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The name 'Corvette' isn't really fitting as corvettes were traditionally the same size or smaller than Frigates, not larger.
Small to Large
Corvette Frigate Destroyer One image per signature please. Zymurgist |
Soon Shin
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Posted - 2010.05.05 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Erich Herrmann The name 'Corvette' isn't really fitting as corvettes were traditionally the same size or smaller than Frigates, not larger.
Small to Large
Corvette Frigate Destroyer
Would Gunships work better? If not do you have any ideas?
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.05.05 13:09:00 -
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Between Frigates and Cruisers, you'd have Destroyers and Light Cruisers. I wouldn't call it a 'Light Cruiser' though. To be honest, I don't see the problem with Destroyers as they are and the Sabre, in particular, can really destroy a Frigate. Maybe if the other Interdictors were brought up to a level, similar to that of the Sabre? I don't know :S
Also, with bomb launchers in 0.0, Stealth Bombers can be deadly against Frigates. It's just a shame that you don't get many Frigates flying around in 0.0 (or ... I don't see many). One image per signature please. Zymurgist |
Soon Shin
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Posted - 2010.05.05 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Erich Herrmann Between Frigates and Cruisers, you'd have Destroyers and Light Cruisers. I wouldn't call it a 'Light Cruiser' though. To be honest, I don't see the problem with Destroyers as they are and the Sabre, in particular, can really destroy a Frigate. Maybe if the other Interdictors were brought up to a level, similar to that of the Sabre? I don't know :S
Also, with bomb launchers in 0.0, Stealth Bombers can be deadly against Frigates. It's just a shame that you don't get many Frigates flying around in 0.0 (or ... I don't see many).
The current destroyers are fairly limited in their role. Most destroyers will get trashed by a frigate with little effort due to how fragile they are. Thrasher is a decent destroyer, but the other destroyers are plagued with problems. The Sabre is good, because its not given a ******ed gun/missile split weapon system.
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Trhamp Sthamp
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:09:00 -
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Honestly, Destroyers DO have a limited role and seeing either the T1 hulls buffed or given a new T2 variant specifically targeting anti-frig warfare would be a great idea. Perhaps give the turrets the tracking and missiles the velocity to hit a dramiel and any inty. I'm thinking trans affect on avoidance is cut in half and missiles can go 15k-20k.
However, your current proposal makes them more of a marauder. They have 8 high slots and they SHOULD be used for weapons. The new T2 destroyer you are trying to describe should be an EXTENSION of the current Destroyer, not a drastic change.
It might even be possible give a T1 destroyer the ability to fit an extra module that instantly boosts the resists and gives the bonuses putting it into the anti-frig class without having to introduce a new ship and invention lines to make it. Essentially, it could operate similar to a "siege module." Require a single, new skill, have a small fuel requirement for the "mode" and go from there.
-TS
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:22:00 -
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remove the rof penality of actual T1 destroyers
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.05.05 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT remove the rof penality of actual T1 destroyers
This cannot be done as doing it would bring their DPS beyond cruisers. Read CSM minutes.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.05.05 20:00:00 -
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I would be happy with making them just a bit more resilient. They really are too weak. But it would be hard to put them between frigs and cruisers.
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Daenosa
Pineal Squeegee
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Posted - 2010.05.05 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Party Scout I would be happy with making them just a bit more resilient. They really are too weak. But it would be hard to put them between frigs and cruisers.
Take the trasher as a guide line to what destroyer should be like.
Make sure they all remain racially different however.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.05.06 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
Originally by: 1600 RT remove the rof penality of actual T1 destroyers
This cannot be done as doing it would bring their DPS beyond cruisers. Read CSM minutes.
so? they will still have paper thin tank any cruiser properly used will just BBQ them
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Tom Hanks
The Warped Corpe
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Posted - 2010.05.07 12:17:00 -
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I support this idea. AND IM FAMOUS
Caldari Racial Purity
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.05.07 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Daenosa Take the trasher as a guide line to what destroyers should be like. Make sure they all remain racially different however.
Quite. Thrasher is easy to fit and can pack a decent punch and/or a well above average tank .. Coercer does the punching part but not much else (tanking it removes loads of speed/range/damage). Caldari/Gallente suffer from Hybrid issues more than ship deficiencies so hard to evaluate before a hybrid change is brought forth
Originally by: 1600 RT so? they will still have paper thin tank any cruiser properly used will just BBQ them
Sure, cruisers would still tear them apart but it would leave very little if any room for T1/T2 frigates, that is a pretty hefty price to pay if you ask me.
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Hodgekiss
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Posted - 2010.05.07 14:33:00 -
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It's true... there is a class missing here which would be good fun to explore.
With most other classes you have a choice of specialisation when you go from T1 to T2, for example: Frigates you can go to E-war, tacklers or, if you like guns, Assault ships. T2 cruisers can be Heavy Interdictors or, if you like guns, Heavy Assault ships. Battlecruisers can be either fleet command or, if you like guns, field command ships.
T2 destroyers are Interdictors, which are great for their specialist role, but it WOULD be fun to have a hardcore destroyer with more tank and more DPS than a regular destroyer. They would fill a very specific role of taking out assault ships (very difficult with a current destroyer, despite the fact that they are supposedly "anti frigate platforms")
As to the name... a difficult one as there is no ship class between destroyer and cruiser. Having said that there is no real ship class in between Frigate and Destroyer so CCP invented the Assault ship.
I personally like "Auxiliary Cruiser" but "Gunship" works too....
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