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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.05 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 14:42:53 Probably the most pressing concern to low sec pvpers today is logofski.
PREEAMBLE:
Im sure you've all seen it before, but basically this technique involves jumping through a gate, seeing enemies, and then closing your client. If done whilst cloaked, your ship will disappear into thin air like a puff of smoke.
Further variations to this involve logging in and out quickly to move the position your ship warps back to to give you a safe route out. You don't even have to be inconvenienced by not being able to play after cheating, you can cheat again a few times and carry on your merry way.
Still further variations on Logofski are present in game but not widley known so i wont go into them.
THE CSM:
Any way, in an effort to deal with this, an issue was brought to the csm to be put before CCP asking for something to be done. After many threads, and many posts, and many ideas were discussed by many people - some sensible options were put forward to enable legitimate crashes to be protected and cheats to be punished.
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* A player who logs out but recieves agression before his ship disappears will recieve a full 15 minute agression timer and will not disappear in that time. Unless a player logs off at an obvious spot or in an area where probes are already present it is unlikely for him to be probed within 60 seconds.
* When a player logs out he will become 'anchored' to that point in space and will ALWAYS warp back to that point and his emergency warp point will remain constant.
Sensible options which would minimize CTRL+Q being used to avoid PVP in all its forms.
THE SMOKING GUN
Ive highlighted the pertinent bit in yellow
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CSM MEETING 3.005
Dierdra asked if he was correct in reading 4 different solutions in the proposal, and said he didn't like the 15 minutes lockout, but the other solutions sounded reasonable. Larkonis answered that there were inded 4, although not all mutually exclusive. Mazz asked what happens when someone logs of at a POS that is destroyed before the person logs back in. Larkonis suggested not logging off at a POS in danger of dying soon. Avalloc asked if the suggestion is to stop the ability to change the arrival point after a disconnect. Larkonis answered that it was. Avalloc said it would be a problem in Mazz' scenario and asked if this was an empire or 0.0 problem Larkonis answered it was both. Adding that if one were to jump into a bubble and log out, he wouldn't decloak immediately, but after the 60 seconds, which is incidentally the time the ship stays in space. Avalloc said if a POS was mistimed, it could be gone before the people logged off at it get a chance to get to safety. Larkonis agreed, but that this was still using game mechanics to avoid getting one's ship killed, that losing a ship due to a POS changing hands was more the responsibility of the person timing it badly. Voting followed. Motion passed 5 for, 4 against (Mazzilliu, Issler and Avalloc, Zastrow)
THE CONCLUSION
Mazzilliu - Who is currently courting the pirate vote in Crime and Punishment voted against one of (if not the) most pressing Pirate Prioritys! Yet she seeks our vote.
Why did she do this? Because she is a member of Pandemic Legion, a 0.0 alliance and puts the needs of some 0.0 idiot with his titan logged off on a pos above pirates. Indeed, the need of the 0.0 cap idiot above a basic sense of fair play where you shouldnt be able to gain advantage from logging off and on repetedly.
This, combined with other votes against pirate needs she has made in the past which other people have pointed out in other threads, leads me to decide against voting for her. And instead to present this damming evidence to right minded pirates, pvpers, and fair players the game over.
SKUNK (o)
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.05 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 14:57:44 hahaha i am honored that you will put so much effort into this
like i said in the other thread, about two times, i would not vote against a logoffski proposal that isn't terrible.
Also a titan, that cannot be scrambled, has nothing to fear from logging off at an enemy pos. I don't know where your knowledge of game mechanics comes from but it isn't EVE. this change will screw over pilots of things like smaller ships that can be scrambled instead.
Even if this had only the first point, it's still a terrible idea. what about players who are being camped in and probed constantly, but eventually need to log off because they cant play EVE forever? People who are in the situation of being probed for hours are probably pvpers being camped in by a bigger carebear alliance. there's no legitimate method of logging off and disappearing quickly under such a situation provided. if the proposal were passed we would see solo pvpers getting camped in by carebears, and then forced to play eve for 8 hours or lose their ship. i know how tenacious those guys can be, i've been camped in by them lots of times.
If there were something about logoff conditions because local population went from 1 to 2, I would think it's a fair proposal. But when there's already people in local and their chance to catch you unawares has been lost, you need to be able to log off.
MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010 CHECK OUT MY CAMPAIGN VIDEO http://www.eveonline |
FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:15:00 -
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Honestly the only true lowsec or pirate oriented candidate worth voting for is Mynxee.
All the rest are 0.0 stalwarts whose first priority is 0.0 and whatever their constituents (read alliance mates) request (read demand). Despite what they promise, low sec will be barely be an afterthought and will remain the equivalent of the ginger orphan compared to high sec and 0.0.
Mynxee on the other hand up until recently has been a pretty much exclusively a low sec pirate and has first hand experience of the situation and problems that we face.
Vote Mynxee PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
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RedSplat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:21:00 -
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This thread is pointless.
C&P is just going to vote for whoever has the cutest bottom anyway.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 14:57:44 hahaha i am honored that you will put so much effort into this
like i said in the other thread, about two times, i would not vote against a logoffski proposal that isn't terrible.
Also a titan, that cannot be scrambled, has nothing to fear from logging off at an enemy pos. I don't know where your knowledge of game mechanics comes from but it isn't EVE. this change will screw over pilots of things like smaller ships that can be scrambled instead.
Even if this had only the first point, it's still a terrible idea. what about players who are being camped in and probed constantly, but eventually need to log off because they cant play EVE forever? People who are in the situation of being probed for hours are probably pvpers being camped in by a bigger carebear alliance. there's no legitimate method of logging off and disappearing quickly under such a situation provided. if the proposal were passed we would see solo pvpers getting camped in by carebears, and then forced to play eve for 8 hours or lose their ship. i know how tenacious those guys can be, i've been camped in by them lots of times.
If there were something about logoff conditions because local population went from 1 to 2, I would think it's a fair proposal. But when there's already people in local and their chance to catch you unawares has been lost, you need to be able to log off.
I smelt something a bit fishy about your thread from stage one, and other people pointing out your shortcoming in regards to pirate priorities made me take a look through the assembly hall for evidence of this (which we can all agree is pretty damming)
Firstly, if you choose to log off at a pos, inherent in that is the risk that if you dont log in for a few days, that pos might not be there when you get back. NO where outside of dock is safe - and thats how CCP designed the game to be. Multiple logofskis circumvents this using an out of game mechanic.
Secondly, whilst the titan or mothership, cannot be scrambled by the pos, as you try to deflect the argument with - it can be tackled by players at the pos waiting for it (as you well know) in a variety of ways.
Smaller ships who have taken the advantages of logging of at a pos (protection from shields, acsessing of the modules, protection from guns) must also be prepared for the disadvantages (its a static spot for an enemy to attack)
You championed the player who, upon deciding to log in, finds his ship is in danger of being destroyed, and to prevent this does not call for backup from his alliies, does not outwait the enemy, does not fight his way out.
he logs on and off and on and off and on and off and on and off a few times
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PIRATES AND FAIR MINDED PVPERS THE GAME OVER HATE!
Yet you seek the pirate vote.
2) Your point about the player "being forced to play for eight hours" is also more misdirection. What you voted against (and thankfully Larkonis managed to get through) would not effect this. Present game mechanics mean only logging whilst cloaked will make you disapear into thin air. If tackled after logging in a safe spot NOW your ship will remain in place.
So if your being probed out you need to move fast, create safespots on the fly, and log at the correct moment. What you voted no against would not affect this. Perhaps you should vote to make probing harder... yes that would get you a lot of pirate votes wouldnt it.
So anyway - Even ignoring all the above points, your reason for voting NO and NEARLY HALTING the thing pirates pretty much most want, was with your 0.0 allince buddies in mind. NOT the lowsec pirate on the gate watching freighter number 108 log off in a row
Your priorities are clear.
SKUNK (o)
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:34:00 -
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so you think piracy is nothing but gate camps? have you ever tried pirating in any situation where you are -gasp- outnumbered? you don't represent piracy yourself, no matter how much yellow text you use.
MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010 CHECK OUT MY CAMPAIGN VIDEO http://www.eveonline |
Raetherana
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:43:00 -
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just fix lowsec and stfu k THX.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu so you think piracy is nothing but gate camps? have you ever tried pirating in any situation where you are -gasp- outnumbered? you don't represent piracy yourself, no matter how much yellow text you use.
this *is* le skunk you're talking to. I dont think he's ever left a gate to get a single kill as a "pirate". |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat This thread is pointless.
C&P is just going to vote for whoever has the cutest bottom anyway.
this (vote Elise)
- Malyutka (The Virus) - |
Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:25:00 -
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So the motion was passed, and nothing happened?
Hmmm... maybe that's the reason why we shouldn't really be voting for any of them.
I'd quite like a free holiday, but tbh I want to go to Norway. Hey, can I get a free holiday to Norway? I promise to post crap on youtube for you gawk over. |
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Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:26:00 -
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piracy is not fighting when outnumbered,
piracy is fighting when you know you will will over your opposer and to GTFO when you ARE outnumbered to live another day
funny enough, logoffskis in ANY situation should be reviewed as it is a huge PITA that people who do make mistakes can circumvent the consequences of their stupidity like this
Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin
Supreme Commander and Diplomat of the Black Rabbits and Gurlstas associates |
Mist3r Evil
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu so you think piracy is nothing but gate camps?
its part of piracy, whether you like it or not. besides, how else are you going to catch a freighter in low sec?, at a station?, at a POS?. also where did skunk mention gate camps?
Originally by: mazzilliu have you ever tried pirating in any situation where you are -gasp- outnumbered?
Have you, in low sec ?
Originally by: mazzilliu you don't represent piracy yourself
that's a matter of opinion, yours in this case. the question here is whether or not you represent piracy.
Originally by: mazzilliu no matter how much yellow text you use.
loltroll
I think the man makes a point. then again, what do you care what i think, i'm just a low sec gate camper that shoots a lot of shuttle and pods.
Oh frack, did i just feed the troll?
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:49:00 -
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Mynxee just won my 156 alt votes
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.05 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 16:52:55
Originally by: mazzilliu so you think piracy is nothing but gate camps? have you ever tried pirating in any situation where you are -gasp- outnumbered? you don't represent piracy yourself, no matter how much yellow text you use.
Indeed, Im not claiming to represent piracy myself. In fact if you spent any time on this forum you would know that every couple of months a "what is piracy" thread comes up and C+P poster cannot agree a definition our selves.
What I do claim to be able to do, is know how to spot someone who definatly does NOT represent piracy- and your track record in the csm is VOTING AGAINST THE MAIN ISSUES piracy, this forum, and the people who dwell in it have talked about for years.
* Your a 0.0 pilot, in one of the biggest alliances in the game. * Your not even an outlaw. * 99% of your (mediocre) kill record is in 0.0. * You talk of belt piracy but didnt even know BS spawn in lowsec belts and have done for a year * You criticise gate campers, which is the method used by 99% of the people who post on these forums * AND WORST You criticize people who "gang up" on people, when the Logofski tactic YOU VOTED TO PROTECT is one of the main reasons we need such big gangs - to get the DPS to nuke the logers.
CONCRETE PROOF IS AVAILABLE VIA YOUR PREVIOUS VOTING AGAINST PIRATE ISSUES IN YOUR LAST TENURE AS A CSM MEMBER (as discovered and linked by myself and others)
SKUNK
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.05 17:09:00 -
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I only wish I took a game this seriously. But I can't be bothered. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon I only wish I took a game this seriously. But I can't be bothered.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 18:26:10 my ideal logoff solution:
-make it so you can be targetted while emergency warping in all cases -make it so you cant warp out of bubbles while ewarping, and you stop e-warping if a bubble is dropped on you in all cases. -also cut your agility by half(or double it, whatever makes you warp off half as fast) -if you're aggressed while logged off you become aggressed and you disappear 15 minutes after the last shot.
let's kill the people trying to log off at gates, and people logging out from belts. but not people who have already safespotted and aren't going to get caught if they were to stay logged in. Even if you crash on a gate or something like that, the act of jumping is a risk in itself.
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 18:26:10 my ideal logoff solution:
-make it so you can be targetted while emergency warping in all cases -make it so you cant warp out of bubbles while ewarping, and you stop e-warping if a bubble is dropped on you in all cases. -also cut your agility by half(or double it, whatever makes you warp off half as fast) -if you're aggressed while logged off you become aggressed and you disappear 15 minutes after the last shot.
let's kill the people trying to log off at gates, and people logging out from belts. but not people who have already safespotted and aren't going to get caught if they were to stay logged in. Even if you crash on a gate or something like that, the act of jumping is a risk in itself.
how about when you undock you are no longer Safe, this pop politics dont work for you when you have no clue what the topic is
ill give you a hint : if you log off in space its at your own risk, and the anchoring of your log off spot is a briliant idea
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Commoner
Caldari The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Commoner on 05/05/2010 18:55:58 I disagree with the the headline in your post. Logoffski stinks, but there are probably far more stuff i would fix before that.
And no, i didn't vote for mazz. \o HI MYNX!
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.05 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Unknown on 05/05/2010 19:28:33 My major peeve is that when the person is actually found after they log off, not destroying the ship in 15 minutes causes it to vanish even when aggressed and being actively shot at. This has happened to me personally more than once. Changing this mechanic to (as someone else said) 15 minutes after the last act of aggression would be best.
Edit: Fail grammar. By the way, this is my signature.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.05 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 19:31:52
Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 18:26:10 my ideal logoff solution:
1-make it so you can be targetted while emergency warping in all cases 2-make it so you cant warp out of bubbles while ewarping, and you stop e-warping if a bubble is dropped on you in all cases. 3-also cut your agility by half(or double it, whatever makes you warp off half as fast) 4-if you're aggressed while logged off you become aggressed and you disappear 15 minutes after the last shot.
4) let's kill the people trying to log off at gates, and people logging out from belts. but not people who have already safespotted and aren't going to get caught if they were to stay logged in. Even if you crash on a gate or something like that, the act of jumping is a risk in itself.
1) Apart from the darkside logofski - which has been classified as a bug - this is already the case 2) Fine, but note bubbles cant be used in lowsec 3a) If logofski takes place after a gate, the target is tackled anyway so slowing its warp off time is irrelevant. 3b) If logofski happens in a belt, and the target is tackled it sits there for 15 mins anyway 3c) If your thinking about ratters who logoff when local goes up by one, the warp off time is also irrelevant as they can simply warp to a ss then log off from there
"Lets Kill The People Trying To Log Off At Gates" she says
Yes there are some great ways to do that either/or:
1)have aggression whilst logged off trigger the 15 min timer as would aggression whilst not logged.
YOU VOTED AGAINST THIS IN CSM 3
2)have the emergency warp back in spot upon relogging remain rooted. Where you logoff first is where you return every time. You can still logofski, but without being able to do a rapid relog to move your spot - your not playing eve anymore for the next hour/day/week depending on the tenacity of your opponent.
YOU VOTED AGAINST THIS IN CSM 3
As someone pointed out - your just trawling round looking for votes amongst the thickos of C+P despite your track record being proven to be one of the worst candidates Pirates could possibly vote for.
You don't pirate, you don't understand the issues of low sec piracy, you fly around in frigates and interdictors in 0.0 where 99% of your kills are(check battleclinic for stats). Your gonna get in anyway due to block voting, so why not drop the pirate charade.
You only qualification is (and I kid you not someone actually used this) is that you belong to a corp that used to pirate three years ago.
SKUNK
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.05 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
You only qualification is (and I kid you not someone actually used this) is that you belong to a corp that used to pirate three years ago.
SKUNK
You forgot the boobs. Those were the big selling point during her last campaign. Of course I don't think any of us have forgotten what a disaster CSM 3 was. --Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.05 21:28:00 -
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i was going to vote for mazz, but le skunk has opened my mind.
BRING ON GATECAMP ONLINE !
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2010.05.05 21:35:00 -
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I am incredibly angry at this news. BRB time out. -----------
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.05 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 22:06:34
Originally by: sakana i was going to vote for mazz, but le skunk has opened my mind.
BRING ON GATECAMP ONLINE !
Above 0.0 Pilot Checklist:
* Lost Sleipnir to one of our gatecamps three years ago: CHECK * Still mad: CHECK * Felt need to post snotty comment on forums (its ironic innit): CHECK
Nice to see the 0.0 crowd coming out to support Maz in a thread where i accuse her of... supporting the 0.0 crowd over pirates.
SKUNK
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Orar Ironfist
Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.05.06 00:55:00 -
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just fix the major issues of my low secs plox i dont want/need this stupid drama
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.06 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk ... Great Argument ...
Probably the best argument I've ever seen out there NOT to vote for someone ...
Good work in citing voting history ... don't ever expect your past NEVER to catch up with you in-game
Bravo ...
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
Signatures by: Kalen Vox |
Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.05.06 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
You forgot the boobs. Those were the big selling point during her last campaign. Of course I don't think any of us have forgotten what a disaster CSM 3 was.
Pictures of these alleged boobs would greatly enhance my ability to make a voting decision. |
Auroral Borealis
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Posted - 2010.05.06 04:49:00 -
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Solo pvper's camped in by large numbers of people don't have much choice but to wait out their aggression and then log. You say 60 seconds like it's a long time, but in a small-ish system where the probing frigate/recon/whatever allready knows the signature ID of the ship that it's looking for, that's not nearly enough time. This is especially true if the solo player is flying anything above say, a cruiser or frigate. Real life takes priority over flying around avoiding probes for a a few hours.
If the timer was changed to a more reasonable one (perhaps 30 seconds) then I would completely support the resetting of an aggro timer on a logged off ship to 15 minutes, even if it never had aggression in the first place.
Anchoring a log off point is great for freighters on gates, but not so great for stuff like logging into pos's. However, with probes around the pos it wouldn't particularly matter if the log-off point was anchored or not, as any competent prober with .5au radius probes out can find the ship in about 10 seconds, and with a new mechanic that gave that logged off ship an aggro timer it could then be tackled and killed in the resultant 15 minute window : )
tl;dr: Maz is right to wait for a more coherent and more careful solution to your concerns. Perhaps the solution above fits your needs?
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Cyan Cure
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Posted - 2010.05.06 05:00:00 -
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So a non-pirate is complaining about other non-pirate? You're pretty much pressing issues you have little idea about and even less idea on how it actually affects Piracy. All you want is a rule removed so you can have easy time gate camping. Just as other people here only want more carebear piniatas into lowsec for easy money and kills.
How about let's make a penalty for being in gangs to avoid blobbing, or if someone has a falcon in their gang it cuts EHP by 50%. Let's turn solo PvP into a game feature, cause right now you're trying to do the exactly same thing to Piracy and the whole idea is worth about as much.
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Mist3r Evil
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.06 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Cure *snip*
Butthurt carebear detected. Also, post with your main. and who died and made you the premiere expert on piracy, in fact who are you again ?
Do you have ANY idea about the issues of low sec ? ow wait, your are just a faceless alt.....
Originally by: Cyan Cure How about let's make a penalty for being in gangs to avoid blobbing, or if someone has a falcon in their gang it cuts EHP by 50%.
Ok, so lets reduce the rate of fire on ship-mounted guns/launchers by 10% for every 100 fleet members by the same token, that should go over well in 0.0, talk about blobbing. nice try.
Originally by: Cyan Cure Let's turn solo PvP into a game feature, cause right now you're trying to do the exactly same thing to Piracy
Solo PvP is already a feature in the game, it happens. you should try it perhaps. where did skunk mention that he wants solo-PvP ? this would be a boost to piracy, and we can't have that, now can we....
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D3rg3
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Posted - 2010.05.06 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: D3rg3 on 06/05/2010 07:09:35 that was really great. but my mind was already made up to not vote for her because of this
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Cyan Cure
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Posted - 2010.05.06 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cyan Cure on 06/05/2010 07:52:49
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
stuff
How about cry me a river, i've seen more PvP than you ever will. It doesn't matter whitch character i post with, what you want to check? My BattleClinic stats? Like it's important. Your opinion matters just as much as mine, 'cause i don't know who you are either.
Beside, learn to read, you'll understand what i ment in my post perhaps. As much as i am not going to vote for mazz s/he's completely right in not hastly voting this. We're judging the player on the base of 1 voting against a rule SKUNK doesn't like and i guess you don't either. Well there's more to piracy than gate camping and you didn't make a second thought on how it is going to affect the whole game, not just the tiny frame of it you care about.
As long as solo PvP isn't on the back of the box, it's not a game feature, it's an activity made by players and as long as CCP doesn't do moves towards favouring it, it remains so (exactly the same thing goes for piracy). But this is completely beside the point, because I WAS BEING SARCASTIC, don't act like you're so illiterate.
EDIT: nevermind, i went against what i have said and checked your BC stats. All you do is gate camp in Rancer, so i daubt there's any sence in arguing with you. Just don't talk to me about solo PvP, or PvP at all.
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Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.05.06 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Cure Edited by: Cyan Cure on 06/05/2010 07:52:49
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
stuff
How about cry me a river, i've seen more PvP than you ever will. It doesn't matter whitch character i post with, what you want to check? My BattleClinic stats? Like it's important. Your opinion matters just as much as mine, 'cause i don't know who you are either.
Beside, learn to read, you'll understand what i ment in my post perhaps. As much as i am not going to vote for mazz s/he's completely right in not hastly voting this. We're judging the player on the base of 1 voting against a rule SKUNK doesn't like and i guess you don't either. Well there's more to piracy than gate camping and you didn't make a second thought on how it is going to affect the whole game, not just the tiny frame of it you care about.
As long as solo PvP isn't on the back of the box, it's not a game feature, it's an activity made by players and as long as CCP doesn't do moves towards favouring it, it remains so (exactly the same thing goes for piracy). But this is completely beside the point, because I WAS BEING SARCASTIC, don't act like you're so illiterate.
EDIT: nevermind, i went against what i have said and checked your BC stats. All you do is gate camp in Rancer, so i daubt there's any sence in arguing with you. Just don't talk to me about solo PvP, or PvP at all.
lol you make me laugh,
yeah you might have seen more PvP than anyone else, but I bet it was either while in a cloaky ship or on the receiving end of the pounding, especailly proven by not willing to back your statement up with facts.
Solo PvP IS a valid gamestyle and even in my corp there are people who are masters of this (Stuart Price as one of many) the core is the find what you like and end up good at, United is renowned for their GCing in Rancer, why change somethign when it's not broken
hell going by your logic regarding the back of the box thing Eve must have not existed for 5 of the six years BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BOX!!!!!!
Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin
Supreme Commander and Diplomat of the Black Rabbits and Gurlstas associates |
NereSky
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.06 08:28:00 -
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Eve was boxed back in 2003
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Cyan Cure
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Posted - 2010.05.06 08:47:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Gilgamesh1980
lol you make me laugh,
yeah you might have seen more PvP than anyone else, but I bet it was either while in a cloaky ship or on the receiving end of the pounding, especailly proven by not willing to back your statement up with facts.
Solo PvP IS a valid gamestyle and even in my corp there are people who are masters of this (Stuart Price as one of many) the core is the find what you like and end up good at, United is renowned for their GCing in Rancer, why change somethign when it's not broken
hell going by your logic regarding the back of the box thing Eve must have not existed for 5 of the six years BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BOX!!!!!!
I don't think you're replying to the right person, 'cause what you have just said has no corelation with who you quoted. "Solo PvP IS valid gamestyle", how could i disagree, people practice it ever since i remember, "you might have seen more PvP than anyone else", i can't argue beside the "anyone" part in the last quote, i find the claim about seeing more PvP than some whiny gate camper pretty true. I also agree that EVE wasn't boxed. Nothing to argue about here, just if you want to make an unrelated to anything post, don't quote me in it, 'cause i feel obligated to reply.
Well beside this,
Originally by: Gilgamesh1980
hell going by your logic regarding the back of the box thing Eve must have not existed for 5 of the six years BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BOX!!!!!!
Cute, but even if the last part sounded awesome in your little brain, you have to write it in a way that makes sence, or it comes out as a pathetic attempt at being funny. Not that i am trying that myself. Then again i don't know why you want my opinion on it.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.06 08:53:00 -
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I'm confused.
While I quite like Le Skunk for obscure reasons....I am left baffled by a losec/piracy thread that is mainly highlighting log off (hehe "log") mechanics at POS or gates or wherever.
This has been FUBAR for ages across hi/lo/nullsec.
And frankly I would have thought the biggest issue for losec would be making it attractive to all pilots and boosting small gang/solo pirates in their endeavors...you know...the various schemes and whatnot that have been proposed and ignored since introduction of the CSM .
Supporting various versions of "gatecamp online" is not something I would want to see though.
This thread is a large smelly red herring. Tsk tsk tsk.
p.s. Best way to sort lowsec/nullsec would be to remove local ofc. Proven concept (no *****ing about it either); however, the lack of ability by most players incapable of understanding dscan precludes this from implementation.
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Chaeryl
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Posted - 2010.05.06 09:23:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
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Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.05.06 10:00:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Cyan Cure
Cute, but even if the last part sounded awesome in your little brain, you have to write it in a way that makes sence, or it comes out as a pathetic attempt at being funny. Not that i am trying that myself. Then again i don't know why you want my opinion on it.
damn, I knew I should have brought my big brain with me to work today.
oh and, NO YOU!!
Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin
Supreme Commander and Diplomat of the Black Rabbits and Gurlstas associates |
Cone Filler
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Posted - 2010.05.06 10:32:00 -
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its funny how so many people in this thread think that Logoffski is in discussion LOL
WTS reading comprehension 101
seriously the ideas of larkonis have already been passed now its up to CCP to implement it.
There is nothing you can do about it
THE REAL ISSUE here is Mazz deception in order to score votes
And Mazz most politicians promote their own ideas (well where i come from they do) not this BS you are smearing our forum with
Even your additions to your campaign are flawed as The Skunk rightfully pointed out several times
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Faekurias
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.05.06 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 14:57:44 hahaha i am honored that you will put so much effort into this
like i said in the other thread, about two times, i would not vote against a logoffski proposal that isn't terrible.
Also a titan, that cannot be scrambled, has nothing to fear from logging off at an enemy pos. I don't know where your knowledge of game mechanics comes from but it isn't EVE. this change will screw over pilots of things like smaller ships that can be scrambled instead.
Even if this had only the first point, it's still a terrible idea. what about players who are being camped in and probed constantly, but eventually need to log off because they cant play EVE forever? People who are in the situation of being probed for hours are probably pvpers being camped in by a bigger carebear alliance. there's no legitimate method of logging off and disappearing quickly under such a situation provided. if the proposal were passed we would see solo pvpers getting camped in by carebears, and then forced to play eve for 8 hours or lose their ship. i know how tenacious those guys can be, i've been camped in by them lots of times.
If there were something about logoff conditions because local population went from 1 to 2, I would think it's a fair proposal. But when there's already people in local and their chance to catch you unawares has been lost, you need to be able to log off.
You, dear sir, just won my vote. Representing the non 23/7' players is you. +1 People who think blobs have it easy as it is.
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:01:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Chaeryl Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
wow just wow Mazzilli seriously, are you sure your name is not Palin?
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Faekurias
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:04:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Cone Filler
Originally by: Chaeryl Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
wow just wow Mazzilli seriously, are you sure your name is not Palin?
This looks legit
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:11:00 -
[44]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
[b]And frankly I would have thought the biggest issue for losec would be making it attractive to all pilots and boosting small gang/solo pirates
...
p.s. Best way to sort lowsec would be to remove local ofc.
Does not compute.
Look, first in WHs you need a prober to find targets. It's something which is not really doable w/out a covops alt (which I nowdays have) or a recon, and provided the other guy is not in a anomaly or you haven't probed out the system already, newcomers do need to probe things out which shows probes on scanner. This gives them better odds at spotting stuff. Add to that the fact WHs have mass limits, that WH entrances are not static, etc, and that WHs are, in comparison to lowsec, insanely profitable, you have a working system. If you cannot spot the difference between lowsec and WHs then you're crazy or something.
Secondly, lowsec is already preety crowded with various blobmonkeys, russian blobs with 50% falcon composition (not joking) and crap like that. Having the ability to spot these boosts solo and small gang.
Thirdly, what is the incentive to do anything ISK-making activity (bar moon mining) in low-sec w/out local? It becomes less safe (unless you push all content to exploration) then more profitable WHs, for starters. What is the point?
I started pirating in Rifters and stuff roaming low-sec belts. Fun times. Turning lowsec into a WH-lite system makes it impossible to roll like that; just removing local and leaving things as they are makes lowsec preety pointless for our targets (while boosting blobbing).
If people like WHs so much, they can spend more time in WHs. What is the problem there?
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Cyan Cure
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:25:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Gilgamesh1980
damn, I knew I should have brought my big brain with me to work today.
oh and, NO YOU!!
^^
I enjoy a post without content, ev'ry now and again, too, don't hate.
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Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chaeryl Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
Obviously everyone who clicked "support" in that thread was completely serious in their support. The OP, William DeMeo, is obviously a carebear, despite being in Genos Occidere. This is obviously not an Assembly Hall troll.
Let's focus on Mazz's actual voting history in the CSM. - Paknac Queltel
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.06 11:46:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 22:06:34
Originally by: sakana i was going to vote for mazz, but le skunk has opened my mind.
BRING ON GATECAMP ONLINE !
Above 0.0 Pilot Checklist:
* Lost Sleipnir to one of our gatecamps three years ago: CHECK * Still mad: CHECK * Felt need to post snotty comment on forums (its ironic innit): CHECK
Nice to see the 0.0 crowd coming out to support Maz in a thread where i accuse her of... supporting the 0.0 crowd over pirates.
SKUNK
seriously? you ran my name thru your kb to try and 1-up me on the forums? thats a pretty even mix of hilarious and depressing. maybe i should have logged the sleipnir i apparently lost, as apparently thats what everyone does. but your right, i'm still p damn bitter about that loss.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.06 13:57:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 14:01:33 Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 13:59:58
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Chaeryl Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
Obviously everyone who clicked "support" in that thread was completely serious in their support. The OP, William DeMeo, is obviously a carebear, despite being in Genos Occidere. This is obviously not an Assembly Hall troll.
Let's focus on Mazz's actual voting history in the CSM.
Nice spot on that thread there.
But seems like spellbound pilots want more "actual voting history". Well as a fellow pilot Lubomir Penev pointed out. Heres "actual voting history" where she voted AGAINST the C+P representive Larkonis Trasllers complaint about that bug in highsec where outlaws traveling across space trigger a Global Criminal instead of a NPC pursuit when crossing highsec
More Mazz Voting Against Pirate Needs
Strange she claims to be the "baton carrier of larkonis" (who despite his faults did represent the needs of this forum) when she votes AGAINST his main issues. You will note the selection of carebears she joined up with to get that one quashed.
INCLUDING VOTING ALONGSIDE ERIK FINNEGAN the 2nd founding member of the take care movement ALONG WITH ANKHESENTAPEMKAH.
Ankhesentapemkah, if you dont already known (shame on you) has consistently voted against anything low sec, is a prime mover in the campagin against suicide ganks, and has a selection of choice quotes about pirates available elsewhere. This is a pilot that Mazz claims to be able to "wind up".How you can wind up someone by voting along with them I dont know.
Erik Finnegan + Ankhampetama Take Care
Originally by: Cone Filler its funny how so many people in this thread think that Logoffski is in discussion LOL ... seriously the ideas of larkonis have already been passed now its up to CCP to implement it... THE REAL ISSUE here is Mazz deception in order to score votes
THE REAL ISSUE here is Mazz deception in order to score votes
Indeed, mine and other pirates posts have simply been to point out - wtf Mazz is doing trolling around in C+P looking for low sec and pirate votes, when every day someone is uncovering another vote where she has put 0.0ers first and voted against the things that bother pirates.
When I saw her say "I would lobby to bring Battleship rats into lowsec belts" - despite the fact that there have been BS NPCS in lowsec belts for a year. The alarm bells started ringing.
SKUNK
PS: BTW Shes since edited out her "bring bs to lowsec belts" line and replaced it with "Add more battleship spawns to belts in lowsec". Classic. (o)
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Mynxee
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:09:00 -
[49]
While I disagree that logoffski is the most pressing issue for low sec pirates, I applaud Le Skunk for his OP and the discussion it has inspired. To understand the challenges faced by low sec pirates requires immersion into that lifestyle for a significant period of time. Mazz doesn't live in low sec; she doesn't pirate; her frame of reference is obviously null sec; she has demonstrated a lack of knowledge about relatively recent changes in low sec (e.g., BS spawns in belts). Her voting history and past CSM performance should give any pirate pause. If you want low sec and the piracy play style championed effectively in the CSM, invest your votes in someone who knows that environment and play style first-hand and who seriously cares about improving them.
Life In Low Sec |
Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:24:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 14:07:45
Originally by: Paknac Queltel Let's focus on Mazz's actual voting history in the CSM.
But seems like spellbound pilots "izza gurl n i like gurl" want more "actual voting history".[SNIP]
Not saying I disagree with you on Mazz. A troll post on a troll thread just isn't relevant to this discussion, which is about Mazz's CSM decisions and who she chooses to truly represent when election time is over. - Paknac Queltel
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:31:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Cyan Cure Edited by: Cyan Cure on 06/05/2010 07:52:49
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
stuff
i've seen more PvP than you ever will.
Now I know you're a nub with absolutely no idea.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:51:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Le Skunk
* Your a 0.0 pilot, in one of the biggest alliances in the game.
Now I know this thread is a troll --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:54:00 -
[53]
I call troll.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:02:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 15:04:17
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Le Skunk
* Your a 0.0 pilot, in one of the biggest alliances in the game.
Now I know this thread is a troll
LOL I wondered if someone would go for that point. But no troll, im happy to quantify it and any other point:
* 0.0 Pilot - Check her kills. A good 98% are in 0.0 (including all kills in the last three month). Ship of choice is an interdictor - useless (pretty much)in low sec
* Biggest Alliances in the Game. Pandemic legion have 1001 members which is one of the biggest alliances in the game (certainly the top 10% even if we knock out the 1 man alliance). At the time of voting against pirate issues, it was one of the most powerful alliances in the game.
SKUNK (o)
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 06/05/2010 15:29:52 mazzilliu is awesome because of this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1058486
a whole bunch of c&p posters are very dumb, as demonstrated by this thread.
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Cyan Cure
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:41:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Cyan Cure on 06/05/2010 15:41:58
Originally by: Mynxee While I disagree that logoffski is the most pressing issue for low sec pirates, I applaud Le Skunk for his OP and the discussion it has inspired. To understand the challenges faced by low sec pirates requires immersion into that lifestyle for a significant period of time. Mazz doesn't live in low sec; she doesn't pirate; her frame of reference is obviously null sec; she has demonstrated a lack of knowledge about relatively recent changes in low sec (e.g., BS spawns in belts). Her voting history and past CSM performance should give any pirate pause. If you want low sec and the piracy play style championed effectively in the CSM, invest your votes in someone who knows that environment and play style first-hand and who seriously cares about improving them.
LOL @ this, nice wh*re, i hope you're paying SKUNK well. 'least send the guy some naked pictures, looks like he got into this. Making a whole new topic on a matter that barely affects piracy and is the last thing to fix on the list of problems.
EDIT: sheesh, can't even say *****
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:45:00 -
[57]
In addition Lets NOT forget this BEAUTY
Politician FOR SALE: Im Selling my CSM Powers!!!
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:55:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mynxee While I disagree that logoffski is the most pressing issue for low sec pirates, I applaud Le Skunk for his OP and the discussion it has inspired. To understand the challenges faced by low sec pirates requires immersion into that lifestyle for a significant period of time. Mazz doesn't live in low sec; she doesn't pirate; her frame of reference is obviously null sec; she has demonstrated a lack of knowledge about relatively recent changes in low sec (e.g., BS spawns in belts). Her voting history and past CSM performance should give any pirate pause. If you want low sec and the piracy play style championed effectively in the CSM, invest your votes in someone who knows that environment and play style first-hand and who seriously cares about improving them.
I love you Mynxee, but you just joined a group of people whose primary focus is to take on mercenary contracts and stomp around in highsec. Your corp/ally have even captured 0.0 space to be rented out to others. Do you still care about lowsec? I was certainly shocked when you left. I didn't imagine raising your security would have that effect on you. :s
Take it as a constructive nudge.
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Asuri Kinnes
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.06 16:40:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Chaeryl Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
You need to train T2 irony detection... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.06 17:12:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Mynxee While I disagree that logoffski is the most pressing issue for low sec pirates, I applaud Le Skunk for his OP and the discussion it has inspired. To understand the challenges faced by low sec pirates requires immersion into that lifestyle for a significant period of time. Mazz doesn't live in low sec; she doesn't pirate; her frame of reference is obviously null sec; she has demonstrated a lack of knowledge about relatively recent changes in low sec (e.g., BS spawns in belts). Her voting history and past CSM performance should give any pirate pause. If you want low sec and the piracy play style championed effectively in the CSM, invest your votes in someone who knows that environment and play style first-hand and who seriously cares about improving them.
Lark isn't running though?
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Mynxee
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.06 18:02:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Mynxee on 06/05/2010 18:09:43
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I love you Mynxee, but you just joined a group of people whose primary focus is to take on mercenary contracts and stomp around in highsec. Your corp/ally have even captured 0.0 space to be rented out to others. Do you still care about lowsec? I was certainly shocked when you left. I didn't imagine raising your security would have that effect on you. :s
Take it as a constructive nudge.
I am not at all sure your post was intended as a "constructive nudge", but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt along with a straightforward answer.
Having been a full-time, low sec pirate for over two years--and with every intention of returning to it and -10 sec status at some point in the not too distant future--I believe (and so do a lot of others) that I'm one of very few CSM5 candidates who can credibly represent the interests of low sec pirates.
I miss living in low sec every single day. I miss pirating every single day. I left that life temporarily to explore other PvP-related play styles. What I am learning about merc-style PvP and sov in Noir. on this hiatus from being an outlaw is invaluable. That's important, because CSM delegates are expected to respond in an informed way to a variety of proposals--not just the ones on their platform. Should I have the good fortune to be elected, I feel better prepared to do that as a result of my experiences in Noir.
Do I still care about low sec? You betcha. Low sec and piracy are the two things I love more than anything else in the game. I want a vibrant, compelling, scary, exciting, dynamic, unique environment for low sec that reflects its outlaw nature in every aspect. However, looking at low sec issues from a few steps in another direction--combined with the actual experience of having lived as a low sec outlaw for a long time--provides a broader perspective that can be a valuable thing.
Life In Low Sec |
Sara Sivala
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Posted - 2010.05.06 18:11:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Sara Sivala on 06/05/2010 18:11:40
Originally by: Mynxee
I am not at all sure your post was intended as a "constructive nudge", but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt along with a straightforward answer.
Having been a full-time, low sec pirate for over two years--and with every intention of returning to it and -10 sec status at some point in the not too distant future--I believe (and so do a lot of others) that I'm one of very few CSM5 candidates who can credibly represent the interests of low sec pirates.
I miss living in low sec every single day. I miss pirating every single day. I left that life temporarily to explore other PvP-related play styles. What I am learning about merc-style PvP and sov in Noir. on this hiatus from being an outlaw is invaluable. That's important, because CSM delegates are expected to respond in an informed way to a variety of proposals--not just the ones on their platform. Should I have the good fortune to be elected, I feel better prepared to do that as a result of my experiences in Noir.
Do I still care about low sec? You betcha. Low sec and piracy are the two things I love more than anything else in the game. I want a vibrant, compelling, scary, exciting, dynamic, unique environment for low sec that reflects its outlaw nature in every aspect. However, looking at low sec issues from a few steps in another direction provides a broader perspective that can be a valuable thing.
Having a low sec status does not make you a pirate or even a expert on low sec.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.05.06 19:18:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Mynxee While I disagree that logoffski is the most pressing issue for low sec pirates, I applaud Le Skunk for his OP and the discussion it has inspired. To understand the challenges faced by low sec pirates requires immersion into that lifestyle for a significant period of time. Mazz doesn't live in low sec; she doesn't pirate; her frame of reference is obviously null sec; she has demonstrated a lack of knowledge about relatively recent changes in low sec (e.g., BS spawns in belts). Her voting history and past CSM performance should give any pirate pause. If you want low sec and the piracy play style championed effectively in the CSM, invest your votes in someone who knows that environment and play style first-hand and who seriously cares about improving them.
I love you Mynxee, but you just joined a group of people whose primary focus is to take on mercenary contracts and stomp around in highsec. Your corp/ally have even captured 0.0 space to be rented out to others. Do you still care about lowsec? I was certainly shocked when you left. I didn't imagine raising your security would have that effect on you. :s
Take it as a constructive nudge.
:siigari:
If you had bothered to read ANYTHING Mynxee had said around the time she moved over to Noir you would know she is still very passionate about low sec (and her old corp mates and activities). Asking her to repeat statements that are easy to look up with a tiny degree of effort is counter productive. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.06 19:28:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Sara Sivala Edited by: Sara Sivala on 06/05/2010 18:11:40
Originally by: Mynxee
I am not at all sure your post was intended as a "constructive nudge", but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt along with a straightforward answer.
Having been a full-time, low sec pirate for over two years--and with every intention of returning to it and -10 sec status at some point in the not too distant future--I believe (and so do a lot of others) that I'm one of very few CSM5 candidates who can credibly represent the interests of low sec pirates.
I miss living in low sec every single day. I miss pirating every single day. I left that life temporarily to explore other PvP-related play styles. What I am learning about merc-style PvP and sov in Noir. on this hiatus from being an outlaw is invaluable. That's important, because CSM delegates are expected to respond in an informed way to a variety of proposals--not just the ones on their platform. Should I have the good fortune to be elected, I feel better prepared to do that as a result of my experiences in Noir.
Do I still care about low sec? You betcha. Low sec and piracy are the two things I love more than anything else in the game. I want a vibrant, compelling, scary, exciting, dynamic, unique environment for low sec that reflects its outlaw nature in every aspect. However, looking at low sec issues from a few steps in another direction provides a broader perspective that can be a valuable thing.
Having a low sec status does not make you a pirate or even a expert on low sec.
true enough, but living and being active in lowsec for a long period of time does as far as im concerned and oh look, guess what mynxee has been doing. Stop being a pillock and actually read up on people before making a fool of yourself.
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D9VOL
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Posted - 2010.05.06 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee Edited by: Mynxee on 06/05/2010 18:09:43
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I love you Mynxee, but you just joined a group of people whose primary focus is to take on mercenary contracts and stomp around in highsec. Your corp/ally have even captured 0.0 space to be rented out to others. Do you still care about lowsec? I was certainly shocked when you left. I didn't imagine raising your security would have that effect on you. :s
Take it as a constructive nudge.
I am not at all sure your post was intended as a "constructive nudge", but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt along with a straightforward answer.
Having been a full-time, low sec pirate for over two years--and with every intention of returning to it and -10 sec status at some point in the not too distant future--I believe (and so do a lot of others) that I'm one of very few CSM5 candidates who can credibly represent the interests of low sec pirates.
I miss living in low sec every single day. I miss pirating every single day. I left that life temporarily to explore other PvP-related play styles. What I am learning about merc-style PvP and sov in Noir. on this hiatus from being an outlaw is invaluable. That's important, because CSM delegates are expected to respond in an informed way to a variety of proposals--not just the ones on their platform. Should I have the good fortune to be elected, I feel better prepared to do that as a result of my experiences in Noir.
Do I still care about low sec? You betcha. Low sec and piracy are the two things I love more than anything else in the game. I want a vibrant, compelling, scary, exciting, dynamic, unique environment for low sec that reflects its outlaw nature in every aspect. However, looking at low sec issues from a few steps in another direction--combined with the actual experience of having lived as a low sec outlaw for a long time--provides a broader perspective that can be a valuable thing.
You are trying too hard. Little less BS about your "love" for low sec plz.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.06 19:50:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Cone Filler
Originally by: Chaeryl Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:28:30 Edited by: Chaeryl on 06/05/2010 09:25:27 A slightly more incriminating offense would be that Mazz supported this (ctrl+f her):
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1310652
If you're a pirate and you vote for Mazz, then you are ****ing stupid. This reaches Ankheheptehupptaufftaefftaqweppa levels of bigotry and asshattery. Mazz thinks that the concept of everyone in this forum getting higher subscription costs "reeks of good idea".
Discuss.
Edit: Clicky link. Edit2: Add to op Skunk?
wow just wow Mazzilli seriously, are you sure your name is not Palin?
hahahahahhahahaha
and hahahhaa @ le skunk too. are u mad? i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you. you e-hate me i guess. maybe i trolled you, or killed you or scammed you, but somehow your ego was crushed and now you must use bold yellow letters to get revenge. keep digging through my history if you like, you probably wasted hours trying to dig up dirt on me, and the worst that you can come up with is something taken out of context, and some forum trolls. good job. your tears sustain me.
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Elyseum
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Posted - 2010.05.06 19:51:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Elyseum on 06/05/2010 19:53:25
Originally by: D9VOL
You are trying too hard. Little less BS about your "love" for low sec plz.
the PL alt bandwagon is gearing up I see
Originally by: mazzilliu
and hahahhaa @ le skunk too. are u mad? i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you. you e-hate me i guess. maybe i trolled you, or killed you or scammed you, but somehow your ego was crushed and now you must use bold yellow letters to get revenge. keep digging through my history if you like, you probably wasted hours trying to dig up dirt on me, and the worst that you can come up with is something taken out of context, and some forum trolls. good job. your tears sustain me.
and the damage control is now under way. this is the first stage of ad hominen attacks and is mild compared to what PL alts are about to unveil
PL are cheaters and have no place on CSM for that reason alone
literally ANYONE is better
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.06 20:04:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 20:04:15
Originally by: mazzilliu
and hahahhaa @ le skunk too. are u mad? i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you. you e-hate me i guess. maybe i trolled you, or killed you or scammed you, but somehow your ego was crushed and now you must use bold yellow letters to get revenge. keep digging through my history if you like, you probably wasted hours trying to dig up dirt on me, and the worst that you can come up with is something taken out of context, and some forum trolls. good job. your tears sustain me.
Calm down dear, its only a forum thread
SKUNK
(o)
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.06 20:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 20:04:15
Originally by: mazzilliu
and hahahhaa @ le skunk too. are u mad? i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you. you e-hate me i guess. maybe i trolled you, or killed you or scammed you, but somehow your ego was crushed and now you must use bold yellow letters to get revenge. keep digging through my history if you like, you probably wasted hours trying to dig up dirt on me, and the worst that you can come up with is something taken out of context, and some forum trolls. good job. your tears sustain me.
Calm down dear, its only a forum thread
SKUNK
Calm down dear, its only a forum thread
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.06 20:29:00 -
[70]
o/ hi5 Le Skunk.
I'm a bit confused, is mazz trolling the csm, trolling us or taking the csm seriously now? Whatever mazz is doing this time, it certainly is boring. The only funny part is calling out mazz on her ignorance of basic game mechanics, trolling mazz is getting a bit too easy though.
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2010.05.06 20:32:00 -
[71]
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/05/2010 20:04:15
Originally by: mazzilliu
and hahahhaa @ le skunk too. are u mad? i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you. you e-hate me i guess. maybe i trolled you, or killed you or scammed you, but somehow your ego was crushed and now you must use bold yellow letters to get revenge. keep digging through my history if you like, you probably wasted hours trying to dig up dirt on me, and the worst that you can come up with is something taken out of context, and some forum trolls. good job. your tears sustain me.
Calm down dear, its only a forum thread
SKUNK
Calm down dear, its only a forum thread
u got outed, and now u mad?
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 01:51:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Cone Filler
u got outed, and now u mad?
Ya Mazz is mad
Good post Cone Filler, I'm going to steal the template.
I was a bit confused as to who to vote for, but your clever insight has made me see the light.
Thank you sir
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TitansRus
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Posted - 2010.05.07 02:11:00 -
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If where really honest 75% of the eve player base don't even vote and have no interest in it.
The whole CSM crap is a joke.
It's like running for CEO of the internet !!!
As for mazzilliu, I know nothing about him nor care. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it sounds like he has a hidden agenda to suit his own personal game play.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 02:22:00 -
[74]
Originally by: TitansRus
As for mazzilliu, I know nothing about him nor care. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it sounds like he has a hidden agenda to suit his own personal game play.
Quality research. Knowing nothing or not caring is usually the back bone of any type of theory. With such clarity I can see how you came to the conclusion that he has a hidden agenda.
Great work.
I'm going to throw out a theory here without caring or knowing anything about you, and I think its just as accurate.
You buy isk to fund your macro fleet
wow that was easy, this whole no idea thing is fun --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Taedrin
Gallente Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2010.05.07 05:46:00 -
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I would just like to mention a few things:
First of all, as Mynx mentioned: logoffski is NOT the most pressing issue for pirates right now. The most pressing issue for pirates right now is the lack of real rewards in low sec. Let me ask you one question right now - is there ANY reason why a carebear like myself should ever live in low sec over high sec? Right now, I have to say no - there is not a single reason for me to live in low sec over high sec.
Low sec has battleship sized rats, but level 4 missions still pay out better.
Low sec has gravimetric sites with ABC ores, but these are too few and too far between to be depended to offset the cost of mining in low sec where the market for ore is poor.
Low sec has POS's. I will grant to you that reaction/moon mining is something that can't be done in high sec, and can only really be done in 0.0 if you are in a 0.0 alliance. But this alone is not enough incentive.
Pirates should be focusing less on logoffski and more on getting carebears into low sec. The best way to do this is to increase the rewards in low sec and/or decrease rewards in high sec. Or you could increase the safety of low sec, but that's hardly something a pirate would want (and hardly in the spirit of EVE).
Second: Dear god, why is anybody actually ENCOURAGING logoffski? EVE is supposed to be a harsh game. Sometimes you die. The ONLY reason why logoffski is still in the game is because CCP can't differentiate between logoffski and legitimate uncontrollable disconnects. Logoffski should NEVER be appropriate to avoid gate camps, POS camps, dead POS's, busted safespots, etc etc... EVE is a game where you have to be CAREFUL. You don't use logoffski to avoid gate camps. You use the map that tells you how many people are in a system, how many jumps at a gate, how many ship deaths, how many pod deaths, and a crapload of other info. You avoid logging into a dead POS by either not logging off there, or being sure to log in often enough to give you a chance to know when it has been reinforced. There are counters to just about everything in EVE.
But what if someone sets up a gate camp before the map updates with new information? What if someone manages to probe me within 60 seconds of me logging off? What if the POS was mistimed and there wasn't enough stront to last until the next time I log on?
To these questions I say: so what? There's an element of chance in EVE. You were just unlucky. There comes a point in time when you just have to HTFU and accept the loss. After all, you DID click through that pop up window that warned you that low sec was dangerous. There's going to be times when you lose your ship and there's nothing you can do about. Adapt or die. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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D9VOL
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Posted - 2010.05.07 06:15:00 -
[76]
Originally by: TitansRus If where really honest 75% of the eve player base don't even vote and have no interest in it.
The whole CSM crap is a joke.
It's like running for CEO of the internet !!!
As for mazzilliu, I know nothing about him nor care. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it sounds like he has a hidden agenda to suit his own personal game play.
10/10
This can be said about all of the CSM candidates. All of them post walls of text just to get a free trip. Nothing is going to change and the only winner here is CCP that with this "serious CSM business" creating an illusion of change to draw attention away from serious issues. P.S. Will never vote for woman anyways (in RL and in game)
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 06:31:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Taedrin I would just like to mention a few things:
First of all, as Mynx mentioned: logoffski is NOT the most pressing issue for pirates right now. The most pressing issue for pirates right now is the lack of real rewards in low sec. Let me ask you one question right now - is there ANY reason why a carebear like myself should ever live in low sec over high sec? Right now, I have to say no - there is not a single reason for me to live in low sec over high sec.
Low sec has battleship sized rats, but level 4 missions still pay out better.
Low sec has gravimetric sites with ABC ores, but these are too few and too far between to be depended to offset the cost of mining in low sec where the market for ore is poor.
Low sec has POS's. I will grant to you that reaction/moon mining is something that can't be done in high sec, and can only really be done in 0.0 if you are in a 0.0 alliance. But this alone is not enough incentive.
Pirates should be focusing less on logoffski and more on getting carebears into low sec. The best way to do this is to increase the rewards in low sec and/or decrease rewards in high sec. Or you could increase the safety of low sec, but that's hardly something a pirate would want (and hardly in the spirit of EVE).
Second: Dear god, why is anybody actually ENCOURAGING logoffski? EVE is supposed to be a harsh game. Sometimes you die. The ONLY reason why logoffski is still in the game is because CCP can't differentiate between logoffski and legitimate uncontrollable disconnects. Logoffski should NEVER be appropriate to avoid gate camps, POS camps, dead POS's, busted safespots, etc etc... EVE is a game where you have to be CAREFUL. You don't use logoffski to avoid gate camps. You use the map that tells you how many people are in a system, how many jumps at a gate, how many ship deaths, how many pod deaths, and a crapload of other info. You avoid logging into a dead POS by either not logging off there, or being sure to log in often enough to give you a chance to know when it has been reinforced. There are counters to just about everything in EVE.
But what if someone sets up a gate camp before the map updates with new information? What if someone manages to probe me within 60 seconds of me logging off? What if the POS was mistimed and there wasn't enough stront to last until the next time I log on?
To these questions I say: so what? There's an element of chance in EVE. You were just unlucky. There comes a point in time when you just have to HTFU and accept the loss. After all, you DID click through that pop up window that warned you that low sec was dangerous. There's going to be times when you lose your ship and there's nothing you can do about. Adapt or die.
very well put. logging off should only be used when you want to stop playing eve. but if nobody is in lowsec it doesn't even matter when the few that are log off.
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Mist3r Evil
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Taedrin *snip* (some valid points being made)
very well put. logging off should only be used when you want to stop playing eve. but if nobody is in lowsec it doesn't even matter when the few that are log off.
that is you assuming nobody is in low sec. the point of the initial OP was you asking the C&P community at large (AKA pirates) what they wanted to see change in low sec as part of your campaign. Le Skunk graciously enlightend us about your voting history with regards to several piracy related issues brought before the CSM. several "pirate lords" (the black rabbits, low sec liberators, the united, to name but a few) have given you the same answer, yet you still persist its not important or sumthing along those lines. But to you we are just lowly gate camping, non-PvP'ers. cose we all know the real PvP is out in 0.0, amiright? and when things don't go your way, u stoop to personal attacks, replying with a bunch alts, critize the use of color in said posts, basic petty childish behavior. in stead rebutting the facts laid out in front of you.
Low sec matters, to some of us that play the game. pirates might not be the biggest demographic (10% is what i've been told un-offically) it apperently doesn't matter to you. if it doesn't, please don't come in here asking for votes for your free trip to iceland.
with that said, GL on the campaign trail.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 07:32:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
Originally by: mazzilliu stuff
that is you assuming nobody is in low sec. the point of the initial OP was you asking the C&P community at large (AKA pirates) what they wanted to see change in low sec as part of your campaign. Le Skunk graciously enlightend us about your voting history with regards to several piracy related issues brought before the CSM. several "pirate lords" (the black rabbits, low sec liberators, the united, to name but a few) have given you the same answer, yet you still persist its not important or sumthing along those lines. But to you we are just lowly gate camping, non-PvP'ers. cose we all know the real PvP is out in 0.0, amiright? and when things don't go your way, u stoop to personal attacks, replying with a bunch alts, critize the use of color in said posts, basic petty childish behavior. in stead rebutting the facts laid out in front of you.
Low sec matters, to some of us that play the game. pirates might not be the biggest demographic (10% is what i've been told un-offically) it apperently doesn't matter to you. if it doesn't, please don't come in here asking for votes for your free trip to iceland.
with that said, GL on the campaign trail.
i never said i diidnt care about people logging off. from this same thread
Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 05/05/2010 18:26:10 my ideal logoff solution:
-make it so you can be targetted while emergency warping in all cases -make it so you cant warp out of bubbles while ewarping, and you stop e-warping if a bubble is dropped on you in all cases. -also cut your agility by half(or double it, whatever makes you warp off half as fast) -if you're aggressed while logged off you become aggressed and you disappear 15 minutes after the last shot.
let's kill the people trying to log off at gates, and people logging out from belts. but not people who have already safespotted and aren't going to get caught if they were to stay logged in. Even if you crash on a gate or something like that, the act of jumping is a risk in itself.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.05.07 08:27:00 -
[80]
Originally by: mazzilliu i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you.
I'm actually very interested with your explanation about your vote about this issue.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CSM_Meeting_Minutes_3.006#Travelling_through_Concord_Space_no_longer_randomly_gives_GCC_.28Larkonis.29 -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
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Mist3r Evil
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 08:27:00 -
[81]
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
Originally by: mazzilliu stuff
stuff
And i never said u cared or not. i said low sec matters, to us that actually live there and want to live there.
What good will it do when we are able to be target the logoffski while in E-warp?, you''re gonna get away anyways. we've had instances where the dictor even had a point on the logoffski and still disappeared after they drop out of e-warp. the bubble stuff is un-important to us low sec denizens, no bubbles in low sec (nor do i want them), cutting agility in half, what's that gonna do? they'll still get away, as it was intended by CCP. the point is that repeatedly logging off/on will give the attacker no chance whatsoever to catch him, even a slow turning and warping freighter ( i tried). so, make them warp back to the spot where they logged off, no matter how many times they log-off and log-in again, automatically creating 1 million KM safespots while doing so. if you are so afraid of loggin of at POS that might not be there anymore, have somebody else in a cov ops scout it for you, to see if its safe to log in. logging off at safespots? as long as they don't have agression, they will disappear, and need to be probed out. anyways, don't see the relavance to low sec tbh.
Again, the point was wether or not u deserve the C&P vote (IMO). Skunk has provided several instances of you voting against what low sec denizens would consider important. and tbh, your quoted ideal log-off situation is a half-harted attempt at damage control, most of your proposal is already the case as is. And no, i'm not paying skunk, nor is he paying me to give lip service.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.07 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 14:42:53 Probably the most pressing concern to low sec pvpers today is logofski.
Probably the most pressing concern to low sec pvpers today is the lack of targets because low sec sucks...
Low sec has far more pressing concerns then logofski.
As to your smoking gun, the question can cover any time frame. Did they log off before it was destroyed as in 5 minutes or 5 days? None the less it proves nothing.
Lastly, I do believe that the fix for making Deep Safes will kill the multi log to reposition issue. This is not confirmed in any way but should be part of the why/how it works.
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Elyseum Edited by: Elyseum on 06/05/2010 19:53:25
Originally by: D9VOL
You are trying too hard. Little less BS about your "love" for low sec plz.
the PL alt bandwagon is gearing up I see
Originally by: mazzilliu
and hahahhaa @ le skunk too. are u mad? i could keep giving my justifications for why i voted no and why something else is better, but its pretty clear that nothing i say on heaven or earth will satisfy you. you e-hate me i guess. maybe i trolled you, or killed you or scammed you, but somehow your ego was crushed and now you must use bold yellow letters to get revenge. keep digging through my history if you like, you probably wasted hours trying to dig up dirt on me, and the worst that you can come up with is something taken out of context, and some forum trolls. good job. your tears sustain me.
and the damage control is now under way. this is the first stage of ad hominen attacks and is mild compared to what PL alts are about to unveil
PL are cheaters and have no place on CSM for that reason alone
literally ANYONE is better
You forgot to mention how we had Tyrrax throw the last tourney for us.
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Sergeant Justice
The Darkest Red
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Posted - 2010.05.07 09:11:00 -
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Voting for mazz mostly because of this thread reporting Recruitment Poast!
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Beachura
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 10:37:00 -
[85]
Pandemic legion do nothing but irritate everyone else in eve, Does anyone else remember the thread with monkeysphere?
They don't abuse mechanics, they attempt to manipulate the UI to the extent they smash game mechanics out of the window
as a pandemic legion member quoted *go and find the thread if your bored* "local is an mirc window, we just found a way to close it, get over it"
No, you figured out how to get yourself IP, MAC and account banned.
Low security is less than a joke,
Let me remind you a little, that Piracy, is not PVP, because let me explain something, because this is quite interesting
Player VERSUS Player
Let me enlighten you on the definition of 'versus'
against, in opposition to. It is the Colts versus the Bears in the Super Bowl.
This gives the impression, that there is some sort of rivalry, some sort of.. challenge
Piracy is Player Versus Player, as much as a professional wrestler hitting a fluffy cuddly bunny rabbit over the head with a sledge hammer, is a good fight
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 11:40:00 -
[86]
Edited by: mazzilliu on 07/05/2010 11:43:28
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Mist3r Evil
Originally by: mazzilliu stuff
stuff
What good will it do when we are able to be target the logoffski while in E-warp?, you''re gonna get away anyways. we've had instances where the dictor even had a point on the logoffski and still disappeared after they drop out of e-warp. the bubble stuff is un-important to us low sec denizens, no bubbles in low sec (nor do i want them), cutting agility in half, what's that gonna do? they'll still get away, as it was intended by CCP. the point is that repeatedly logging off/on will give the attacker no chance whatsoever to catch him, even a slow turning and warping freighter ( i tried). so, make them warp back to the spot where they logged off, no matter how many times they log-off and log-in again, automatically creating 1 million KM safespots while doing so. if you are so afraid of loggin of at POS that might not be there anymore, have somebody else in a cov ops scout it for you, to see if its safe to log in. logging off at safespots? as long as they don't have agression, they will disappear, and need to be probed out. anyways, don't see the relavance to low sec tbh.
If they log off in order to escape people entering local, the change i proposed makes it no better than warping off first(and less so, since you would warp sooner). Since the 1 million KM safespot, deep safe creating sort of logging is getting nerfed anyways, that point is moot now.
If someone logs off when they could have just warped off, then logging off isn't the problem because they wouldn't have gotten caught anyways. The actual logging off mechanics are the big problem when: 1. The logged off status prevents you from locking/bubbling them in certain cases and they e-warp away. I think it happens when they log before you lock/bubble them. - fixed by my proposal 2. The logging off of a really big ship ensures that it disappears before you can kill it (fixed by the aggression lengthening bit there) 3. debatably, the logging off allows you to create million km safespots to get away from the pos or the gatecamp. I dont personally believe this is a problem but if a lot of other people think it is then i will be inclined to change my mind. But this is sort of moot, it is getting fixed anyways. 5. maybe others i cant think of them right now
EDIT: another thought for my lowsec change idea posted above. Write "NAME logged out" notices in local when people log out, so you can get their names and addressbook them. Sometimes the bots log out too fast for me to see them.
Originally by: Beachura QQ
Considering this is Crime & Punishment.... YARR and thank you for the support!
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Hinkledolph
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.07 11:52:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Beachura Pandemic legion do nothing but irritate everyone else in eve, Does anyone else remember the thread with monkeysphere?
They don't abuse mechanics, they attempt to manipulate the UI to the extent they smash game mechanics out of the window
as a pandemic legion member quoted *go and find the thread if your bored* "local is an mirc window, we just found a way to close it, get over it"
No, you figured out how to get yourself IP, MAC and account banned.
Low security is less than a joke,
Let me remind you a little, that Piracy, is not PVP, because let me explain something, because this is quite interesting
Player VERSUS Player
Let me enlighten you on the definition of 'versus'
against, in opposition to. It is the Colts versus the Bears in the Super Bowl.
This gives the impression, that there is some sort of rivalry, some sort of.. challenge
Piracy is Player Versus Player, as much as a professional wrestler hitting a fluffy cuddly bunny rabbit over the head with a sledge hammer, is a good fight
If we are irritating ppl (definitely not all of eve) means we are doing something right. Also WI teaching about PVP of any kind is not cool. P.S. U mad?
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 13:01:00 -
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Giant coloured text signifies importance c/d?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.05.07 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/05/2010 14:38:41
Originally by: mazzilliu Since the 1 million KM safespot, deep safe creating sort of logging is getting nerfed anyways, that point is moot now.
All of your (incredibly confused) points about logofski are moot. And why?
DESPITE YOU VOTING AGAINST IT THE "FIX LOGOFSKI" ISSUE WAS PASSED (by 1 vote) AND SENT TO CCP
Its already passed. And already agreed in principal by CCP.
So your confused warblings about logofski are irrelevant.
WHAT IS NOT IRRELEVANT IS YOUR PROVEN TRACK RECORD VOTING AGAINST THE THINGS PIRATES WANT IN CSM THREE
Hence this thread. A clarion call to bring to the attention of the pirates you are courting your true diabolical intentions.
You really have no way to argue against this. You would do better simply:
1) Throwing yourself to the ground and groveling asking for peoples forgiveness for your past actions against pirates. 2) Dropping the facade your a "pirate person -my corp pirated three years ago yall, once i killed a dude in rancer" and just relying on your PL block vote to get you in. Im sure it will and you can continue your track record of sickening collusion with carebears (when not doing the whole IM IRONIC routine)
SKUNK
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 15:04:00 -
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There's a third option, involving boobs.
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Napolie
Gallente The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.05.07 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Beachura
Let me remind you a little, that Piracy, is not PVP, because let me explain something, because this is quite interesting
Player VERSUS Player
Let me enlighten you on the definition of 'versus'
against, in opposition to. It is the Colts versus the Bears in the Super Bowl.
This gives the impression, that there is some sort of rivalry, some sort of.. challenge
Piracy is Player Versus Player, as much as a professional wrestler hitting a fluffy cuddly bunny rabbit over the head with a sledge hammer, is a good fight
Not all carebears are mentally deficient you know? I know using yourself as a modelframe is quite common but it does not work when there are other people concerned.
As for smashing pi±atas there is lots of that too when being a pirate but hardly all targets are docile. Conclusion if you dont know jack about piracy except being on the reciving end of a pirate blob just cry instead of trying to sound like you actually know something.
also mandatory, u mad?
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.09 23:05:00 -
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bumping this thread mostly because i am pretty sure someone being butthurt about me in crime and punishment is just going to get me more votes.
Originally by: Napolie
Originally by: Beachura
Let me remind you a little, that Piracy, is not PVP, because let me explain something, because this is quite interesting
Player VERSUS Player
Let me enlighten you on the definition of 'versus'
against, in opposition to. It is the Colts versus the Bears in the Super Bowl.
This gives the impression, that there is some sort of rivalry, some sort of.. challenge
Piracy is Player Versus Player, as much as a professional wrestler hitting a fluffy cuddly bunny rabbit over the head with a sledge hammer, is a good fight
Not all carebears are mentally deficient you know? I know using yourself as a modelframe is quite common but it does not work when there are other people concerned.
As for smashing pi±atas there is lots of that too when being a pirate but hardly all targets are docile. Conclusion if you dont know jack about piracy except being on the reciving end of a pirate blob just cry instead of trying to sound like you actually know something.
also mandatory, u mad?
i am the one who is mad!
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.05.09 23:33:00 -
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Sorry maz, he's kind of got you on this one.
Le Skunk is a notable pirate. He knows what he's talking about.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.09 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Frug Sorry maz, he's kind of got you on this one.
Le Skunk is a notable pirate. He knows what he's talking about.
Not really, he's pretty much raging about nothing for pages on end. I enjoy that.
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2010.05.10 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Frug Sorry maz, he's kind of got you on this one.
Le Skunk is a notable pirate. He knows what he's talking about.
Not really, he's pretty much raging about nothing for pages on end. I enjoy that.
Right, he's raging about nothing. Never mind the fact that he presented evidence to support his argument. Never mind that said evidence shows proof that you have not been able to rebuke with any logical argument. Your entire argument against what he has shown of you is analogous to, "Look at the bunny!"
He gives us your voting record and shows your lack of knowledge of both what is pertinent to the Eve pirate (logoffski) and what the land of the pirate is currently like (battleships in lowsec). You give us a personal attack on his credibility, which is laughable at best. And now you're denying that there is an argument with yet another personal attack.
I must thank Le Skunk for bringing this to the attention of C&P. I just hope that enough of your caod buddies see this thread, realize just how ridiculous you sound, and adjust their voting accordingly.
TL;DR mazzilliu = logical fallacy Vote for Mynxee. support the parrot
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.10 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Frug Sorry maz, he's kind of got you on this one.
Le Skunk is a notable pirate. He knows what he's talking about.
Not really, he's pretty much raging about nothing for pages on end. I enjoy that.
Right, he's raging about nothing. Never mind the fact that he presented evidence to support his argument. Never mind that said evidence shows proof that you have not been able to rebuke with any logical argument. Your entire argument against what he has shown of you is analogous to, "Look at the bunny!"
He gives us your voting record and shows your lack of knowledge of both what is pertinent to the Eve pirate (logoffski) and what the land of the pirate is currently like (battleships in lowsec). You give us a personal attack on his credibility, which is laughable at best. And now you're denying that there is an argument with yet another personal attack.
I must thank Le Skunk for bringing this to the attention of C&P. I just hope that enough of your caod buddies see this thread, realize just how ridiculous you sound, and adjust their voting accordingly.
TL;DR mazzilliu = logical fallacy Vote for Mynxee.
and his argument is that there is no such thing as 0.0 legitimate reasons worth considering. i don't support people logging out to avoid combat and i've presented proof of that as well. my logoff idea would have solved the issue in both 0.0 and lowsec, and made logging off no better than warping off in any case. so this guy is pretty much raging about nothing.
vote for me C&P, i make people so e-mad they'll rage on the forums about it.
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iluvThecranberries
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Posted - 2010.05.10 07:23:00 -
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low sec pirates are terrible pvpers anyway
your vote for CSM doesn't count as you do not matter
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.05.10 08:10:00 -
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Quote: , i make people so e-mad they'll rage on the forums about it.
I'll vote for you because you promise to troll ankehaefhwefh but defending logoffs for people at posses or whatever, no.
Quote: Larkonis suggested not logging off at a POS in danger of dying soon.
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Sergeant Justice
The Darkest Red
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Posted - 2010.05.10 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Justice on 10/05/2010 08:18:10 I vote for you (Maz) because you seem to have a grasp of the interest for those who do not only wish to do lowsec, and do not only wish to do 0.0. Rather a well-versed spectrum of intent, which is attractive IMO. (haf mai babies) Recruitment Poast!
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: iluvThecranberries low sec pirates are terrible pvpers anyway
your vote for CSM doesn't count as you do not matter
Yea they all suck and none of them matter. They don't do any real PvP.
Edit: Oops wrong char.
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2010.05.10 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
and his argument is that there is no such thing as 0.0 legitimate reasons worth considering. i don't support people logging out to avoid combat and i've presented proof of that as well. my logoff idea would have solved the issue in both 0.0 and lowsec, and made logging off no better than warping off in any case. so this guy is pretty much raging about nothing.
vote for me C&P, i make people so e-mad they'll rage on the forums about it.
Nice attempt at changing the argument, but this is not what he was saying and you know it. His entire argument against you boils down to you being out of touch with low-sec and actually voting against low-sec needs.
No where does Le Skunk claim that 0.0 has no legitimate issues that need to be dealt with. No where does Le Skunk say that 0.0 doesn't matter. What Le Skunk does say is that you are only truly concerned with 0.0, as per your record, and that your pandering here is full of empty promises at best. The more likely situation being you attempting to get the votes of the c&p community so you can then vote against our wants and needs.
So you can boil Le Skunk's argument down to this.
mazziliu is a candidate for csm. mazziliu has a record of voting against low-sec issues. mazziliu is out of touch with what's happening in low-sec (to the point she doesn't know there are battleship rats there). Therefore mazziliu is not a good low-sec candidate.
mazziliu is courting the low-sec vote. mazziliu's record indicates she is not a good low-sec candidate. Low-sec should not vote for mazziliu.
You'll notice that nowhere does 0.0 even come up in this. That is because 0.0 is not relevant to the argument. *disclaimer* in no way does this mean 0.0 isn't relevant. It is relevant, but it is not at issue in this discussion aside from pointing out where mazziliu's allegiances truly lie. support the parrot
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.10 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 10/05/2010 14:01:48
Originally by: mazzilliu so you think piracy is nothing but gate camps? have you ever tried pirating in any situation where you are -gasp- outnumbered? you don't represent piracy yourself, no matter how much yellow text you use.
I know that you base a bit on the PL + alts vote so you feel more comfortable now than mynxee, but you really should think about what you write. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
hedfunk
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.10 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: hedfunk on 10/05/2010 15:13:02 Dear Le Skunk, you have taught me much, you have tutored me, nurtured me and helped me througout my time in eve. I appreciate this and would follow you to rancer in a faction fitted Nightmare if you so wished.
However, the fact of the matter is that Mazz is a female eve player. As such she has breasts and is mildly attractive. The chances are I would probably put my peenis in her and feel that a courtesy vote would be neccesary.
All due respect.
Please refrain from political commentary in your signature. Navigator
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Arvano
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Posted - 2010.05.10 15:45:00 -
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In an institution such as this where people vote based on who is better looking, who they are friendlier with and other ridiculous reasons, and where every candidate is in it for the free trip to Iceland and the ridiculous self-important feeling they will gain from being in such a position...
What in the hell does it matter who you vote for, no matter how many inconsistencies (lots) there are in what they say they want to deliver in return for your vote?
Taking all the above ridiculousness into account, there are clearly only two options regarding who two vote for. Put all the names into a hat and draw one at random, or simply don't vote at all.
I'll be doing the latter.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.10 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib I know that you base a bit on the PL + alts vote so you feel more comfortable now than mynxee, but you really should think about what you write.
oops.
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2010.05.10 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: hedfunk Edited by: hedfunk on 10/05/2010 15:13:02 Dear Le Skunk, you have taught me much, you have tutored me, nurtured me and helped me througout my time in eve. I appreciate this and would follow you to rancer in a faction fitted Nightmare if you so wished.
However, the fact of the matter is that Mazz is a female eve player. As such she has breasts and is mildly attractive. The chances are I would probably put my peenis in her and feel that a courtesy vote would be neccesary.
All due respect.
Mynxee is a female player, too. Unlike Mazz, Mynxee has been pirating for years and only recently has switched over to the merc side. As she's stated, it's not a permanent switch. Mynxee is a far better choice for pirates. So even if you're going to vote based on the candidate being female you should still vote Mynxee.
support the parrot
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2010.05.10 19:23:00 -
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First, most of the people posting have nothing on piracy unless all hiding under rather new alts. I can count a handful of actual pirates in here.
Second:
Originally by: hedfunk Edited by: hedfunk on 10/05/2010 15:13:02 Dear Le Skunk, you have taught me much, you have tutored me, nurtured me and helped me througout my time in eve. I appreciate this and would follow you to rancer in a faction fitted Nightmare if you so wished.
However, the fact of the matter is that Mazz is a female eve player. As such she has breasts and is mildly attractive. The chances are I would probably put my peenis in her and feel that a courtesy vote would be neccesary.
All due respect.
LMAO. I'll have to create a new drunken song for this.
Last:
Mazz has absolutely no interest in low sec. No research has been done, good ideas voted against, and I've yet to see something that even promotes piracy. Sorry Mazz, but if you want pirate votes, you should do your research, become knowledgeable, don't don't be a total tool on C&P where you provide no coherent response in an debate. Anything you've said reminds me of a drunk swimming in their own vomit.
If you want votes: Stop acting like a tool Provide reasons for your mishaps or at least valid points for your arguments Do your research Actually be a pirate. Write coherently Learn to debate. Stop crying.
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Highwaymen
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:40:00 -
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WHEY!!!!
( I have added nothing to this thread, but wanted to poast anyways!)
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.05.10 22:30:00 -
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+2 for Mynxee. ♥ _____
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.05.11 01:21:00 -
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Forgive me for butting in this mud slinging contest but I would like to share my experience in pirating.
As a pirate (a short time compared to most) what I initially lacked was targets. That was my problem. I thought pirating was just gate camping some gate that went to high sec was what it was all about. Only later did I realize what me and my fellow pirates needed to do.
We stopped camping the gate, and even slowed down our activity in yarring to let other players get into low sec and start breeding. After a while, we would simply farm the population from time to time. We got a lot more action, better loot and more lulz at fail fits than just sitting on a gate and sending the message that, "Going into low sec is just a waste of time because you will never make it to the next gate if you come in here."
So maybe lay off those gate camps if you are complaining about lack of targets. There is also a lot of other things that low sec needs help with, but as a pirate in low sec, let them in and move around a bit... before you blow them up.
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Theophilas
Amarr Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.05.11 02:30:00 -
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Skunk your thread is informative, well thought out, well presented, and measured. And I thank you for it.
I almost made the mistake of voted for this mazzilliu character, and your thread swayed me.
Hopefully we can get someone in who cares about us dirty no good pirates. DOWN WITH LOGOFSKI AND ALL WHO SUPPORT SAID LOGOFSKI!!!
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TRIPPLE SIX
Minmatar Drunken Ratbags Inc Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 08:15:00 -
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i agree skunk is there any one you know of that is worth giving the piewit vote? as i cant be assed reading through the walls apon walls of threads on the issue, and you have ;) and your word is good enough for me, your track record as a low sec piewit should be enough proof to all that you speek the truth about the needs of us that like to yar!! thanks your old freind/enemy tripple
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Muad' Dib I know that you base a bit on the PL + alts vote so you feel more comfortable now than mynxee, but you really should think about what you write.
oops.
I regret nothing! every word of that is true, and it's why there's fewer and fewer pirates nowadays and why i'm not in lowsec right now.
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F90OEX
F9X Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2010.05.11 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Muad' Dib I know that you base a bit on the PL + alts vote so you feel more comfortable now than mynxee, but you really should think about what you write.
oops.
I regret nothing! every word of that is true, and it's why there's fewer and fewer pirates nowadays and why i'm not in lowsec right now.
Before FW, you could get as many fights as you want after FW lowsec has emptied out ..... The few that where in my group have either moved on from Eve or can't be bothered roaming for 5-6hrs 40+ lowsec jumps and not get one fight.
Lot's of people I know have left because of this, and personally for me it don't appeal to me anymore.
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.11 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: hedfunk Edited by: hedfunk on 10/05/2010 15:13:02 Dear Le Skunk, you have taught me much, you have tutored me, nurtured me and helped me througout my time in eve. I appreciate this and would follow you to rancer in a faction fitted Nightmare if you so wished.
However, the fact of the matter is that Mazz is a female eve player. As such she has breasts and is mildly attractive. The chances are I would probably put my peenis in her and feel that a courtesy vote would be neccesary.
All due respect.
Mynxee is a female player, too. Unlike Mazz, Mynxee has been pirating for years and only recently has switched over to the merc side. As she's stated, it's not a permanent switch. Mynxee is a far better choice for pirates. So even if you're going to vote based on the candidate being female you should still vote Mynxee.
In this regard. Just wait until you hear her speak.... Oh god it's like sex over soundwaves. Vote Mynxee.
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Theophilas
Amarr Ministry of Destruction Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.12 02:01:00 -
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mazzilliu is trash
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.05.12 02:26:00 -
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A vote for Mazz err Pandemic Legion is akin to a vote for the **** Party.
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.12 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 14:42:53 Probably the most pressing concern to low sec pvpers today is logofski.
Probably the most pressing concern to low sec pvpers today is the lack of targets because low sec sucks...
Low sec has far more pressing concerns then logofski.
As to your smoking gun, the question can cover any time frame. Did they log off before it was destroyed as in 5 minutes or 5 days? None the less it proves nothing.
Lastly, I do believe that the fix for making Deep Safes will kill the multi log to reposition issue. This is not confirmed in any way but should be part of the why/how it works.
While I do agree that logofski are one of the last things I really worry about in piracy it is annoying. I would imagine it's a bigger concern to gate campers than anyone else.
With that sad, it really doesn't matter when or where they log off. The ability to log in and out to avoid returning to where ever you originally logged out should be stopped.
It is an abuse of broken game mechanics end of story. If you choose to log off in a pos for a week or 6 month or even 2 days that's your risk and it's your problem to deal with if the location changes hands.
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MeSo ANGRY
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Posted - 2010.05.12 03:58:00 -
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why would anyone vote for a prostitute??
and thats who mazz is - a prostitute.
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Sonny Akishima
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Posted - 2010.05.12 05:56:00 -
[120]
Sweet never heard of that before, safer travels await!
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.12 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal A vote for Mazz err Pandemic Legion is akin to a vote for the **** Party.
i think this is pretty funny
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.12 07:48:00 -
[122]
I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.12 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..
i prefer the "we hate mazzilliu and are pretty butthurt about it" thread
the rage only encourages me
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.12 07:57:00 -
[124]
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Lana Torrin I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..
i prefer the "we hate mazzilliu and are pretty butthurt about it" thread
the rage only encourages me
They possibly hate you.. I quite like you.. I just don't agree with you. I'm sure there are other people that do in fact like you but don't agree with your ideas. You can disagree without being butthurt.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.12 08:11:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Lana Torrin I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..
i prefer the "we hate mazzilliu and are pretty butthurt about it" thread
the rage only encourages me
They possibly hate you.. I quite like you.. I just don't agree with you. I'm sure there are other people that do in fact like you but don't agree with your ideas. You can disagree without being butthurt.
i'm sure there are plenty of people who disagree with me just fine and i can carry on friendly debate with those people, but i wouldn't say there is very much liking going on at all in this thread specifically
i can only assume they are butthurt about something i did and have to unleash a torrent of untrue speculation to make a point, and there's nothing i can really do to ever change their mind so i'm just sitting back and enjoying the rage. in a game like EVE where you may choose to harm people ingame, it's somewhat a mark of accomplishment to get such internet rage heaped upon your ingame character, even among people who themselves try to pride themselves in the art of greif.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.12 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
edit: i even skimmed your history to see if you had made some sort of serious post disagreement with me in this thread so i could respond to it, but you didn't. but i wouldn't mind responding to whatever disagreement it was
Nope, I have already cast my vote and I don't feel like putting you down much as there are far more fail candidates than you running (ie, I don't think you are fail). In fact I have made several posts about one of them as they are the only person I actually wish physical harm to..
While I do think its a little hypocritical of anyone to be saying they know what pirates want when they no longer live in lowsec full time, you are at least in PL... I still have a soft spot for PL for some reason..
So good luck to you I say. May you and Mynxee do good things for the PvPers of this game.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.12 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 12/05/2010 09:20:03
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: mazzilliu
edit: i even skimmed your history to see if you had made some sort of serious post disagreement with me in this thread so i could respond to it, but you didn't. but i wouldn't mind responding to whatever disagreement it was
Nope, I have already cast my vote and I don't feel like putting you down much as there are far more fail candidates than you running (ie, I don't think you are fail). In fact I have made several posts about one of them as they are the only person I actually wish physical harm to..
While I do think its a little hypocritical of anyone to be saying they know what pirates want when they no longer live in lowsec full time, you are at least in PL... I still have a soft spot for PL for some reason..
So good luck to you I say. May you and Mynxee do good things for the PvPers of this game.
that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.
i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.
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PleasureBabe
PorNstars Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.12 09:46:00 -
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BLAH BLAH BLAHB ALBH WHO THE **** CARES!!! waste of interwebs bandwidth.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.05.12 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.
i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.
You should really do yourself a favor and stop talking. I was reading this thread which was content with lulz but in these two paragraphs you really punched every lowsec resident in the face.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.05.12 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 12/05/2010 10:54:42 So many people talking about piracy and just describing PvP.
Piracy is the secure way to make ISK whilst PvP:ing, ignoring all rules of engagement and caring only for profit.
This includes outnumbering your opponent and using any means necessary to secure the income.
Having ~goodfights~ is sometimes a part of this, but it is not a required component.
As it is, to this day low-sec gatecamping is one of the easiest methods to accomplish this, simply because there is nowhere in low-sec that is as well traveled as the gates (for obvious reasons, low-sec is the ignored ugly step-child that CCP wants to die).
Logoffski is in many cases the only currently allowed game-mechanic for careless individuals (that do not scout) to evade low-sec gatecamps, so it's done at an alarming rate which, (in addition to many other low-sec pirate nerfs) has made a lot of pirates/outlaws just switch their play style to something that is less frustrating (including killing outlaws in low-sec, because frankly; there are few more opportune targets there).
I think the suggested two game mechanics are a good thing, and the counter arguments mostly hollow.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.05.12 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.
i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.
Bleh, this is more or less the only thing that you've said so far that gets me a bit riled up. I'm a (terrible) pirate, I live in lowsec and, for all its warts and niggles, I like living in lowsec. So when you come along and say 'herp-de-derp, my playstyle is superior to yours in every way,' it doesn't really inspire my confidence. I don't mean to be having a go at you here, I like some of the things you've proposed, and I can understand you getting a bit exasperated at this thread, but I don't think much of that statement.
More constructively (perhaps), you've said elsewhere that you and SNIGG moved to 0.0 because you got too big for lowsec; you also say you're a proponent of small gang warfare. How do you reconcile the two? As a member of a medium sized, reasonably active corp that mostly does lowsec roaming piracy, I'd say "small gang pvp" means gangs of 1-10 at most, with 2 - 5 people in fleet being the norm for most pick-up roams. I've seen 0.0 residents describe a fleet of 50 as a "small gang" (50 in fleet? I get antsy if there's 50 in local). What would you consider to be a 'small' roaming gang in this context?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.05.12 11:43:00 -
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I haven't read this thread.
But if your idea of lowsec PVP is "gatecamping", then yes, I can see why you'd think that logoffski is a problem. And you deserve it.
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AcMav
Metanoia. Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.05.12 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: AcMav on 12/05/2010 12:54:25 I don't understand why anyone would say either of these candidates are good votes for the Low Sec crowd. Neither one of these Candidates currently lives in low-sec or has any real reason to go back to it. Noir has recently taken a nice chunk of 0.0 land that will be more profitable than Low Sec. PL hasn't been in low sec in ages. These candidates are both votes for the 0.0 people and not for the Low Sec People.
However logoffski is a problem in nullsec as much as it is in low sec. Whenever we corner someone roaming through our space and they get trapped they'll log, its equally as hard to scan in nullsec as it is in lowsec (Our systems arnt any smaller). The only advantage we have is bubbles which keep the problem from occurring on gate (The only place Le Skunk Lives or Cares about). But on a belt or in open space this problem occurs again.
Neither of these Candidates is going to vote for low sec issues, However some of the 0.0 issues overlap with low sec issues so vote accordingly. Le Skunk is attacking Mazzuilli on one very specific issue that he has a problem with, regarding gate camping. You aren't going to find the perfect candidate unless you run yourself, pick your fights here Skunk.
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Mynxee
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.12 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: AcMav Neither of these Candidates is going to vote for low sec issues
You are dead wrong about that. Noir.'s sov is incidental to me personally, whereas low sec is a cornerstone of my campaign and in fact the key driver for my CSM run.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.12 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: mazzilliu that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.
i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.
You should really do yourself a favor and stop talking. I was reading this thread which was content with lulz but in these two paragraphs you really punched every lowsec resident in the face.
is lowsec a person now? it's an area of the game that needs a bit of boosting. it needs more people in it that live there seriously and haven't just accidentally used the wrong autopilot settings. i only said that because the hostility of this thread is somewhat unwarranted, and isn't something that's particularly useful to me for practical purposes if i win. i dont plan to seriously ignore lowsec because of some random internet people though(because if i do that the turr'ists win). i enjoyed that part of the game too much and i want to see it more playable now.
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: mazzilliu
that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.
i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.
Bleh, this is more or less the only thing that you've said so far that gets me a bit riled up. I'm a (terrible) pirate, I live in lowsec and, for all its warts and niggles, I like living in lowsec. So when you come along and say 'herp-de-derp, my playstyle is superior to yours in every way,' it doesn't really inspire my confidence. I don't mean to be having a go at you here, I like some of the things you've proposed, and I can understand you getting a bit exasperated at this thread, but I don't think much of that statement.
More constructively (perhaps), you've said elsewhere that you and SNIGG moved to 0.0 because you got too big for lowsec; you also say you're a proponent of small gang warfare. How do you reconcile the two? As a member of a medium sized, reasonably active corp that mostly does lowsec roaming piracy, I'd say "small gang pvp" means gangs of 1-10 at most, with 2 - 5 people in fleet being the norm for most pick-up roams. I've seen 0.0 residents describe a fleet of 50 as a "small gang" (50 in fleet? I get antsy if there's 50 in local). What would you consider to be a 'small' roaming gang in this context?
i'm not trying to belittle people who play differently than i do(i think if you dig through my post history as thoroughly as these people have you might see a history of considering other people's playstyles in CSM issues even if I don't do them), i'm just trying to explain why i don't do the lowsec thing anymore. it's the quantity of kills that are out there, and the quality that is the issue. many people who have lived in lowsec at some point no longer do because of this.
small gang roaming in the context of lowsec is between 2 and 10 I would say, with a bias toward to the lower end. When i was using the number 50 i was thinking in the context of alliances and their sort of warfare, which i would also like to find a way to turn into smaller gang combat as well(sizes of ~50x50 being the end goal).
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Francais Tempest
Gallente White Knights Imperius
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III I haven't read this thread.
But if your idea of lowsec PVP is "gatecamping", then yes, I can see why you'd think that logoffski is a problem. And you deserve it.
Logoffski is an abuse of an illogical game mechanic, and is a problem everywhere its used. Its as cloase to cheating as you can get without CCP taking action.
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