Alot of hard work and plexing has been done over many years to get us to the level we are at now, Personally I've been plexing since I joined our corp nearly 2 years ago and now someone who has been in FW for a month is telling me we should give our systems up!!

LOL.
If CCP doesn-¦t do anything within the next 6 months it will be probably bankrupt. Did someone count how many additional players are buying plex now instead of paying with real cash?
I knew some guys who are happy that they have made 10 plexes (30day Pilot License) in only two weeks. In my alts Corp (I am an alt too) there are almost 30 players farming all the time. Probably there are HUNDREDS of players farming and buying Plex for the next two years. Let us assume there are 500 players (I suppose there are a lot more) farming like hell. Well 500 players each probably 5 plex -> 37500 Euros. In only two weeks! And 5 Pilots licenses is really understated. I know people who made over 20 in 2 weeks.
Let this happen half a year and there won-¦t be eve anymore.
Especially because there are coming more and more farmers. I personally am tired of farming but if I can make about some hundred euros with it... why not.
If CCP doesnt do anything it will loose millions of dollars simply because players do not need to pay for the next some years.
Eve-> Free to play.
Let me farm two further months and I will have possibly gametime till 2020.
THE WHOLE THING IS A MESS!
What we need is a HUGE Minmatar ship nerf and a completely FW restart.
IMEDIALTELY!

Simply wow, you are possibly the stupidest person I've ever come across.

Where exactly do you think those plex are coming from? ... You think CCP seeds them onto the Market. Infact ccp make more money from the buying and selling of plex than they do from subscriptions, since subscriptions are discounted slightly when you subscribe for more than one month at a time.

Protip: think before you write a wall of drivel.

If CCP doesn-¦t do anything within the next 6 months it will be probably bankrupt.

From the Jade conspiracy Blog post...............

Making wars fair is not a design consideration. Why should war be fair? In the history of human existence, when has war been fair? Oh, we have 2 to 1 advantage over you? Oh, you don't have any cavalry? Well, we'll just sit out all our horsemen and half our army, wouldn't be fair otherwise. Sorry about that. Okay, let's start the fighting. EVE is a simulator of human conflict, artificial rules to even playing fields is not EVE, that's some other game, like World of Warcraft, with their battlegrounds and arenas. Go play that if you want a semblance of fairness.

LOL.
If CCP doesn-¦t do anything within the next 6 months it will be probably bankrupt. Did someone count how many additional players are buying plex now instead of paying with real cash?
I knew some guys who are happy that they have made 10 plexes (30day Pilot License) in only two weeks. In my alts Corp (I am an alt too) there are almost 30 players farming all the time. Probably there are HUNDREDS of players farming and buying Plex for the next two years. Let us assume there are 500 players (I suppose there are a lot more) farming like hell. Well 500 players each probably 5 plex -> 37500 Euros. In only two weeks! And 5 Pilots licenses is really understated. I know people who made over 20 in 2 weeks.
Let this happen half a year and there won-¦t be eve anymore.
Especially because there are coming more and more farmers. I personally am tired of farming but if I can make about some hundred euros with it... why not.
If CCP doesnt do anything it will loose millions of dollars simply because players do not need to pay for the next some years.
Eve-> Free to play.
Let me farm two further months and I will have possibly gametime till 2020.
THE WHOLE THING IS A MESS!
What we need is a HUGE Minmatar ship nerf and a completely FW restart.
IMEDIALTELY!

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/07/faction-warfare-resuscitating-amarr.html

It was malaise. I was under the impression that the Amarr were giving up systems (as of yesterday, they had six systems under their control, out of over 65 systems) so that their alts could cash in on the T5 warzone control Minmatar achieved on Sunday.

(tl;dr I propose that Minmatar give up all systems east of Dal, excepting Amamake. Reset faction warfare of our own accord, get back to good fights.)

(snipped bits of the argument to make space for the reply -Jade)

Take a look at the following faction warfare map, I'm going to use east/west based on how it's drawn:

(image) http://i.imgur.com/Kj57r.png

I propose pulling all Minmatar assets back to Dal. Give the Amarr one (maybe two) weeks to retake all systems east of Dal (except Amamake). There can still be good fights throughout the week, simply no plexing in the systems we're giving up. We don't snark and snipe at them either "Oh, it took us being charitable to get you back on your feet blah blah blah." **** that. This is as much for our good as it is there's. CCP is to blame for the situation we're in, for not resetting faction warfare when they implemented the new system. The Goons are as much to blame for causing much of the Amarrian malaise. We're to blame for rubbing all of this, which was out of Amarr control, in their face for the last couple months. Which all leads to where we are now: a dude wants to do better by himself, get out of the rut he's in, but can't quite get the leg up he needs, not without a little help from friends.

All it would take to make this happen would be the cooperation of a few of the larger Minmatar FW alliances: Iron Oxide, Late Night Alliance, Defiant Legacy, and a few others. Get the word out, and get people in line, on pain of getting blowed up real good.

You seem to have changed your mind about war since you said this Poetic

And now you want to make FW fair?? Make your mind up will you.

I'm not asking CCP to make the war fair ... I'm suggesting we perform a reset of our own accord, for long-term health of FW, especially in the south. Big difference between asking CCP to design fairness, or just doing something ourselves, as players, to keep CCP from butting in with their design changes down the road, if things get too out of whack.

And that's a five minute example of how this kind of thing can be addressed without a nonsense consenual surrender of territory on the black of a bleating blog full of half baked misunderstandings and nonsense.

This coming from the person who was championing the notion of a CCP->Goon conspiracy at every level of game design and development.

Other than your rudeness, you make some good points.

The money at L5 is ridiculous. Basically, doing 10 L4 FW missions can net you 1.5B ISK. (Taking my own experience and profit, in to account, when spending 250K LP at T5 warzone control.) That's an amount of money that is out of line with even Incursions at their worst. Maybe all that needs to be fixed are LP store payouts at the various control levels. So that T1 isn't so hopeless and expensive, and T5 isn't so ricidulously lucrative.

one thing that no one has mentioned yet either is that fact that FWEDDIT while has 600 members. The average skill points of those members is less than 5m. 90% of the corp was created within a week of when the new system was released.

No reason for FWEDDIT to plex a system and take it to have it retaken by overwhelming force the next day. Thus giving the minnies roughly 20b for taking it.

I am sure that Amarr will end up taking their systems back at some point but it wont be this week.

Wait till FWEDDIT has some skill points and are actually able to fight a more even ship fight. As it stands we run in with cruisers and below win a fight then they reship to BC. so we find something else to do.

no system reset is needed. Just going to take some time to get things working on Amarr side again.

Also someone said how little impact the goons made for FW. That is totally misunderstood on how that effected it. The entire Minnie side sat there for weeks with super cheap ships. For the same cost of a thrasher we are fighting against some form of faction frig. So we have been for weeks out shipped by people spending hte same amount as us but getting alot better ships.

that isnt a complaint its just explaining better how the goons effected the war. I personally enjoy it. i undock fly 2 jumps and am able to find a fight. thats alot better than flying 10 jumps and not seeing another soul like on the minnie side.

Its not hard to find war targets as a Matari fighter.

Plex Kamela and somebody will usually come.

For how long I wonder



That should change as systems aren't important and that goes double for the plex in them.

I'll believe it when I see it to be honest. Its just so easy for Amarr to fall back and base in Tuom, Choonka, Ohide around Kamela and skirmish in Kam and surrounding systems. That's precisely what they did back in the day when SF occupied Kamela in earnest back in the Space and Freedom campaign. Station lockout won't be that relevant when they will always have hisec. As for the plex in them - well, they jump ship to Caldari and suddenly they have tier 5 level rewards for plexing the system over. Its not rocket science really.

Maybe and maybe not.

IMHO jumping to Caldari should probably mean going the whole hog and going to Black Rise.

No, we should not give the Amarr an inch. We should, and shall continue to eat them up until I get a nice shiny medal.

Well there is a fair point of discussion actually - whether its actually reasonable for different allied militias to get LPs for the plexing the other bunches sites

3. We don't Amarr to escape to a 100 system (50 Caldari, 50 Gallente) battlefield that was designed for FW, that wasn't broken on day one, which still offers success through casual play (no "we can win this if only we work so hard and have so little fun that 0.0 sov wars really look much better in comparison" secret master plans), which still offers PvP funding even to brand-new players without alts. We've got a good LP fountain going here, why would these jerks want to enjoy Faction Warfare when they could just collaborate with us?

The 100 system battlefield is such a hoot up here though. So many different pipes and enclaves to be discovered. CCP really should give Amarr/Minnies the same type of battlefield design.

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Not really the case. The Amarr side is simply disinterested, and many are packing up, moving north, where the battle lines are more evenly drawn; where there's something for both sides to fight over.

So, to those crowing that we can do it without Goon help, perhaps we're still lingering under the effects of what they did. If the Amarr are so disinterested that they aren't fighting back, then what sort of victory are we crowing over?....

I find it hypocritical though that Caldari publicly voice their displeasure about Amarr coming up here, and yet they collaborate with and encourage them to move up here privately.

I think its cheesy from both fronts because the Amar have no interest in bettering their space. They are only interested in it for the isk instead of the mechanics.

The gals are NOT even close to the same boat as the Amar you simply want to use someone elses work to achieve free ships.

The mechanics allow it but its still cheesy .

You cant use the amar's excuse

And I disagree witth Amar coming over.