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Syekuda
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Posted - 2010.05.09 05:43:00 -
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We owned the bloody black rise region. We came, we saw, we conquered. But now its : we got pwned.
I'm gonna probably be hated for this but here are things that I hate about Caldari FW right now.
1. FC's insults pilots (that is getting on my nerves) 2. FC's takes really bad decisions and dont care about it 3. Fc's dont care about their pilots.(Even if its a t1 ship, some of them like to stay alive) 4. Fleets are disorganised. Not enough ewar and mostly no one cares about it. We get insta pop because of that. 5. fleet members dont listen to FC's orders (if fc call primary, dont go shoot another one...unless instructed to do so) 6. Most members dont listen well to FC or orders. 7. Members dont bring good pvp fits and die way to easily 8. Members still have the guts to whine about their loss when its pvp on militia chat 9. when fc is bad, some members shoots back (i've seen it with my own eyes ) 10. Yes, its number 10 and I aint done. Caldari fw wont adapt fast enough to our enemies so today they still own us 11. I see 200 guys in Caldari and I see probably 20% fighting wartargets ??? wtf is that all about ? (dont tell me, I don't give a flying F***) 12. Enemies uses a simple baby war tactic. Outnumber your enemies to death and Caldari wont adapt to it so we lose a lot. Look at FW numbers, its all there 12. I'M beginning to see a stupid reaction sometimes from FC's which bothers me a lot: when they get outnumbered, they suicide ????? wtf 13. Neutrals: god I hate those. best thing to do IMO is to shoot him.. KILL HIM... DONT LET HIM STAY WITH US FFS. we alpha is arse and go to a safe, a belt or something for 15 minutes and we wait for fun to come to us instead
As you guessed it, Im ****ed big time. Flame on if you wish. I don't care. Sometimes when you get the truth in front of your face, people finally wake up. I hope this is the wake up call cause in short, Caldari fw sucks.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not putting everyone in the same basket, I know some pretty good fc's and some pretty damn good pilots but grunts outnumber the good ones.
Why do I stay in it ? well let my give my answer by asking you a question : Why do you stay in null sec or high sec ? I got my own reasons.
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Unctom
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Posted - 2010.05.09 06:36:00 -
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Dude this is like a million times better than it was a few months back when Caldari lost 300+ of its more skilled pilots. Earlier today there was a great fight in nisuwa and the caldari held the field, sorry you missed it : /
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Vincent Death
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.09 07:28:00 -
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Any FC that makes consistently stupid decisions and who suicides fleets on a regular basis is one you should probably not be flying with. We've got some good FC's and we've got some bad ones, unfortunately some people are still happy to fleet with the bad ones so we still get the ****ty lemming fights.
Also 1 may be realated to 6, 7, 8 & 9. Just saying.
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Rayce Farelle
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Posted - 2010.05.09 11:21:00 -
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hmm, this is very interesting. On the gallente standpoint there has been a massive hike in Caldari activity that has caught a number of us- me included with our pants down. However, i believe its still not perfect- a large number of caldari still just jump into tama, burn back to the Nourvakiken gate and just jump through, and when you do stay around, another 60 caldari jump through as well. Its just blob warfare, BUT it is getting much much better, and you guys need to be applauded for that. On your main OP we do also have aLOT of pillocks in the gallente militia, but thankfully they have all banded together into a tight "defense agreement" so we know where they are :) ( And just for the record, they should never ever touch a carrier again, with the amount of STUPID hotdrops theve commited to, but meh thats another arguement). What im really saying is there might be morons like MDP that hotdrop and blob, but there are also good fights in small gangs and some very good FCs and you can always find a fair fight around tama :)
Regards Rayce
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.09 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda We owned the bloody black rise region. We came, we saw, we conquered. But now its : we got pwned.
I'm gonna probably be hated for this but here are things that I hate about Caldari FW right now.
1. FC's insults pilots (that is getting on my nerves) 2. FC's takes really bad decisions and dont care about it 3. Fc's dont care about their pilots.(Even if its a t1 ship, some of them like to stay alive) 4. Fleets are disorganised. Not enough ewar and mostly no one cares about it. We get insta pop because of that. 5. fleet members dont listen to FC's orders (if fc call primary, dont go shoot another one...unless instructed to do so) 6. Most members dont listen well to FC or orders. 7. Members dont bring good pvp fits and die way to easily 8. Members still have the guts to whine about their loss when its pvp on militia chat 9. when fc is bad, some members shoots back (i've seen it with my own eyes ) 10. Yes, its number 10 and I aint done. Caldari fw wont adapt fast enough to our enemies so today they still own us 11. I see 200 guys in Caldari and I see probably 20% fighting wartargets ??? wtf is that all about ? (dont tell me, I don't give a flying F***) 12. Enemies uses a simple baby war tactic. Outnumber your enemies to death and Caldari wont adapt to it so we lose a lot. Look at FW numbers, its all there 12. I'M beginning to see a stupid reaction sometimes from FC's which bothers me a lot: when they get outnumbered, they suicide ????? wtf 13. Neutrals: god I hate those. best thing to do IMO is to shoot him.. KILL HIM... DONT LET HIM STAY WITH US FFS. we alpha is arse and go to a safe, a belt or something for 15 minutes and we wait for fun to come to us instead
As you guessed it, Im ****ed big time. Flame on if you wish. I don't care. Sometimes when you get the truth in front of your face, people finally wake up. I hope this is the wake up call cause in short, Caldari fw sucks.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not putting everyone in the same basket, I know some pretty good fc's and some pretty damn good pilots but grunts outnumber the good ones.
Why do I stay in it ? well let my give my answer by asking you a question : Why do you stay in null sec or high sec ? I got my own reasons.
stop whinning ... and adapt ... IBS did and we are fine, we are also helping rest of the militia to rise a bit and what i heard from the enemy side, we are doing ok way (not right yet). Some of the points are in militia from day 1 (like lot of passive people). As I said it is getting better and acutally IBS never had problems to find good fights even 5 months ago when it was bottomwise after Gavins act.
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Mortant Neros
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Posted - 2010.05.09 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mortant Neros on 09/05/2010 12:14:31 This post may have made sense a few months ago but not now, quite happy to admit we (gall) have been caught with our pants down recently and yes rayce the MDP lost a carrier, oh noes! Funny how you were in fleet with us yesterday if you feel this way rayce? I'll make sure you don't get anoyed anymore by telling people not to invite you. Oh and to the OP http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6546746
Remove the AAA captital fleet and you will see that you guys had a large organised fleet with multiple cap support which we couldnt counter at the time, I'd like to take this opurtunity to thank Hidden Snake for all his hard work and welcome back a powerful enemy o/
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Super Chair
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.09 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda We owned the bloody black rise region. We came, we saw, we conquered. But now its : we got pwned.
I'm gonna probably be hated for this but here are things that I hate about Caldari FW right now.
1. FC's insults pilots (that is getting on my nerves) 2. FC's takes really bad decisions and dont care about it 3. Fc's dont care about their pilots.(Even if its a t1 ship, some of them like to stay alive) 4. Fleets are disorganised. Not enough ewar and mostly no one cares about it. We get insta pop because of that. 5. fleet members dont listen to FC's orders (if fc call primary, dont go shoot another one...unless instructed to do so) 6. Most members dont listen well to FC or orders. 7. Members dont bring good pvp fits and die way to easily 8. Members still have the guts to whine about their loss when its pvp on militia chat 9. when fc is bad, some members shoots back (i've seen it with my own eyes ) 10. Yes, its number 10 and I aint done. Caldari fw wont adapt fast enough to our enemies so today they still own us 11. I see 200 guys in Caldari and I see probably 20% fighting wartargets ??? wtf is that all about ? (dont tell me, I don't give a flying F***) 12. Enemies uses a simple baby war tactic. Outnumber your enemies to death and Caldari wont adapt to it so we lose a lot. Look at FW numbers, its all there 12. I'M beginning to see a stupid reaction sometimes from FC's which bothers me a lot: when they get outnumbered, they suicide ????? wtf 13. Neutrals: god I hate those. best thing to do IMO is to shoot him.. KILL HIM... DONT LET HIM STAY WITH US FFS. we alpha is arse and go to a safe, a belt or something for 15 minutes and we wait for fun to come to us instead
As you guessed it, Im ****ed big time. Flame on if you wish. I don't care. Sometimes when you get the truth in front of your face, people finally wake up. I hope this is the wake up call cause in short, Caldari fw sucks.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not putting everyone in the same basket, I know some pretty good fc's and some pretty damn good pilots but grunts outnumber the good ones.
Why do I stay in it ? well let my give my answer by asking you a question : Why do you stay in null sec or high sec ? I got my own reasons.
Which FC are you talking about by chance? Would it happen to be masternerdguy or ramjet?
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.09 12:36:00 -
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well if MNG fcs as well as he forum posts then i can see why this thread exists.
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Syekuda
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Posted - 2010.05.09 13:07:00 -
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Sorry about the thread, I was too ****ed yesterday. There should be a mathematical question before posting. I think I would of shut down my computer instead if I saw one
Out of respect I'm not gonna name Fc's here for sure. I aint that stupid. The point is not to know who's bad and who's not. I hope you guys see that. Its probably because of my timezone but I do see some FC's making some good and other times, really stupid decisions...I think its because they want a kill so bad there willing to do anything.
The numbers also is very influencial to someone who's not accustomed to large fleets. There probably saying :"we dont need ewar or logi's with our mega large super duper fleet". Unfortunately, over time, these issues will fix itself because theres no button to press to fix it
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Aiden Vorlan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.09 13:57:00 -
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I know how you feel, Syekuda. You've seen me the past two days ***** out MNG because of his horrible tactical decisions. His response is always the same: I don't care.
Two days ago: 0.0 "frigate gang".
We manage to take down one Drake. One. And then we're all dead because the enemy fleet dropped in on us. You know what he says?
"Obviously none of you know how to warp off then warp back in."
I told him twice I'd been primaried and scrammed before I could do a damn thing. One other person who I admire greatly in the fleet for taking the time to teach me what I know (and I have a lot more to learn, I know) ended up dropping fleet because he didn't want to "listen to the lecture". I ended up dropping fleet and got podded halfway back to Tama. Well, saved me a trip, and it wasn't like I had any implants or anything.
Then yesterday, we know where the enemy fleet is. We watch them drop Madame Harpy, their Ibis spy, on us. And we wait by the gate for them to take the fleet they'd just split up to pincer us and engage. And instead of taking the time to scout out where the fleet is located, we wait. And wait. We allow the enemy to dictate the terms of the engagement. I was half a mind to bugger off and hit the damn stargate, jump away and leave the rest of the fleet to die.
Violence of action. MNG doesn't get that, and neither do most of the people in the militia. You don't sit there, you are constantly moving, constantly adapting to the changing battlefield. If you are unable to cope, adapt, and overcome to a dynamic environment, you have lost. The concept remains true in today's modern military as it does in game, and as it did during the time of Sun Tzu.
Instead, MNG has decided that it is clearly everyone else's fault, as is demonstrated by his actions. He is quick to point out when other people **** up. And when he's called on something that he makes a mistake on, he decides to quickly try to shift blame onto others, or to deflect it and change the subject.
I lost a lot of standing with State Protectorate a few days ago in the 0.0 "frig gang" when he told us to pop one of our own for attacking an ally's drones. I was kicked from the militia this morning. I have no intent to rejoin, really. There were three good FCs in that militia: Wooopha, Hidden Snake, and Gunny. There's probaby more, but MNG and his little butt buddies and how they treat anyone who tries to correct deficiencies with MNG's leadership turned me off to the concept of of being in that militia.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.09 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Vorlan Hidden Snake
not good yet ... just working on it
sad to hear u left as u were on my potential recruit list :)
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Ramingo
Caldari Payable on Death
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Posted - 2010.05.09 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Aiden Vorlan Hidden Snake
not good yet ... just working on it
sad to hear u left as u were on my potential recruit list :)
Yo Master Hidden Snake Guy, stop ninja'ing all potential recruits, leave some for the rest of us :p
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Rayce Farelle
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Posted - 2010.05.09 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mortant Neros Edited by: Mortant Neros on 09/05/2010 12:14:31 This post may have made sense a few months ago but not now, quite happy to admit we (gall) have been caught with our pants down recently and yes rayce the MDP lost a carrier, oh noes! Funny how you were in fleet with us yesterday if you feel this way rayce? I'll make sure you don't get anoyed anymore by telling people not to invite you. Oh and to the OP http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6546746
Remove the AAA captital fleet and you will see that you guys had a large organised fleet with multiple cap support which we couldnt counter at the time, I'd like to take this opurtunity to thank Hidden Snake for all his hard work and welcome back a powerful enemy o/
Just to let you know, i did NOT fly with the likes of MDP last night, if you actually checked the loss mail then you would have realised that i was flying salvage ships in response to a possible cap fight. Just because i was in the same system as MDP doesn't mean i associate with them or even fly with them. Tbh i really don't care if im not invited to your fleets especially after your failiures, against rooks and king,the OMS carrier fight, where you lost your Guardians because of fail orders, and fail repping, and lastly the failiures against teh caldari lately, when Tekitha ordered teh general miltia fleet to hop into cruisers to pin down a carrier and bs fleet. Why should anyone come to the aid of such fail? We have the monopoly on tama atm, not MDP so i dont needed to be invited to such things as an MDP Fleet. I can't wait to break out the champagne when MDP failcascade, (oh and it will do), so we can get some real quality pilots spring up from militia instead of teh "MDP only" "OMGOMG dont let spys into this channel" bull****
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.05.09 16:29:00 -
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MNG devastating the Caldari militia one fleet at a time, and devastating the forum quality one post at a time.
Seriously the guy's a turd, don't fly with FC's you don't like, just wait for an FC you do like, or FC or go solo. You're in the games to have fun and you're not in militia to fill out fleets for megalomaniacs. You can go to 0.0 for that. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Aiden Vorlan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.09 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Aiden Vorlan on 09/05/2010 16:52:39
Originally by: Jin Nib MNG devastating the Caldari militia one fleet at a time, and devastating the forum quality one post at a time.
Seriously the guy's a turd, don't fly with FC's you don't like, just wait for an FC you do like, or FC or go solo. You're in the games to have fun and you're not in militia to fill out fleets for megalomaniacs. You can go to 0.0 for that.
My problem is I don't like to base my opinion on a single incident. I like to give it a bit of time before I Form my own viewpoint. MNG is one of a handful of people who I have had three or less dealings with and decided that it just wasn't worth the hassle. And I can count on both hands, out of all my contacts, the number of people that fall into that category.
@Hidden Snake: I have no intent to work to get the standing I need to rejoin, is what I meant. If I join a corp that's part of the militia, I won't mind. Just don't expect me to play nice with known ******s.
Keep in mind, I've been playing for all of a month (I know this because I finally don't have that Rookie Help channel popping up when I log on, yay!) and I'm not claiming to fully understand this game. But there's just some things I understand: tactics being one of them. The second is that when I lose more ships under one FC that any other two FCs combined, there's an issue.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.05.09 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mortant Neros Edited by: Mortant Neros on 09/05/2010 12:14:31 This post may have made sense a few months ago but not now, quite happy to admit we (gall) have been caught with our pants down recently and yes rayce the MDP lost a carrier, oh noes! Funny how you were in fleet with us yesterday if you feel this way rayce? I'll make sure you don't get anoyed anymore by telling people not to invite you. Oh and to the OP http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6546746
Don't you DARE even go there. You know why people are upset at the MDP? It's because people want to get kills. And when the MDP rolls around, it's difficult for other pilots to get kills. Even when it's not against the friggin' Caldari militia, you guys won't sort out your ventrilo details so others can join. The MDP told me 2 weeks ago back when that R&K capital fight went down that you guys were going to sort out ventrilo for the general militia. So far you haven't done jack **** about it. And that was the most disorganized mess I have ever flown in. Handing down orders through text chat when everybody could be using at least Eve voice or something to communicate better with others.
There are people I like in the MDP, and I pick them out and fly with them from time to time. There are others in the MDP who I loathe for not being able to see two meters in front of them. When it comes time to fight, and you make a desperate call to the general militia you walk on us like dirt and treat us like your precious meat shields.
Don't expect to win people over with arguments like the ones you're posting. You just make the situation worse by continuing to keep an elitist attitude regarding something that should be an otherwise enjoyable experience for everyone involved.
Militia was not formed so you can stroke your ego by keeping people away. Militia was formed so people can log in, join a fleet, kill/be killed and log out. If you want to go be awesome, form an alliance and respectfully GTFO.
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Annie Anomie
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.09 17:35:00 -
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~drama~
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Bhramin
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:02:00 -
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Gona try and be diplomatic here, Sig STFU, Rayce, youre admitting you were there to steal from us?
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Aerilis
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:30:00 -
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This thread delivers.
fake edit: why the hate between mdp and genmil? why cant we be friends :(
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Aiden Vorlan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aerilis This thread delivers.
fake edit: why the hate between mdp and genmil? why cant we be friends :(
y u guys always primaree me 1st? :*(
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Osiris04
Gallente Colonial Marines EVE Division
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Super Chair Which FC are you talking about by chance? Would it happen to be masternerdguy or ramjet?
How was Iron Man II?
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Oathborne
Caldari Genstar Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:52:00 -
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If MNG is so fail, and you guys hate his tactics and decisions so much, why do people still fleet with him??? I know if I was getting pwned on a regular basis following the orders from the same FC i'd quit joining his fleets and encourage my corpmates to do the same.
And I'm not really sure why the Caldari Militia is down on themselves right now, I mean I thought we all understood that FW is a thing that kind of swings back and forth as far as the "upper hand" goes?
@Rayce: Duuuuuuudee...why the butt hurt? Did the MDP steal your cookies or something?
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.05.09 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Oathborne If MNG is so fail, and you guys hate his tactics and decisions so much, why do people still fleet with him??? I know if I was getting pwned on a regular basis following the orders from the same FC i'd quit joining his fleets and encourage my corpmates to do the same.
And I'm not really sure why the Caldari Militia is down on themselves right now, I mean I thought we all understood that FW is a thing that kind of swings back and forth as far as the "upper hand" goes?
I think the problem is perhaps that he gets newbies, and they don't know/think like that. Especially because of the worry of spies and the difficulty newbies have of getting into better fleets. So they aren't necessarily in Corps and don't really have the resources to refuse FC's who will take them.
I hear rumours of a Caldari training corp though so maybe things will change for the better :).
Other then that I don't know, I enjoy it as much as ever, but I also take breaks from the game. v0v
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Rayce Farelle
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Posted - 2010.05.09 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bhramin Gona try and be diplomatic here, Sig STFU, Rayce, youre admitting you were there to steal from us?
I was there to make isk for myself and to see what the hell was going on. Also, i do not answer to you and therefore don't have to explain what i was doing there.
Regards, Rayce
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.09 22:10:00 -
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For those corps that stuck with Gallente miltia when times were truely tough, there was a desperate need to form a close relationship to defend ourselves from war decs and form a spy free (well u know, as much as reasonably poss) environment to work with, out of which came the MDP (and of which one of the first members was 8th).
We fly with plenty 8th pilots and have many non-MDP corps in our fleets. Many individual MDP pilots have good relationships with non-MDP corp members. I myself have been friends with your CEO and some other 8th members almost as long as FW has been around. Sure we use our own coms - Eve voice is flippin pants so why wouldnt we? Pilots get an account when they join a fleet with us (and we reserve the right not to invite people we don't want, just as anyone else does).
I'd accept that little work of value is done with General Militia these days but can you honestly not understand why? When every fleet you form has constant feedback going to the enemy it becomes pretty disheartening - but we don't exclude all militia. And btw before our former SOTF comrade Starglider decided to try 0.0 life (recently) he was running general militia fleets.
And how can you accuse us of killing everything in sight when you LIVE in Tama? Do you not understand WHY Wolfy moved to Nis when they returned? And why the rest of us actively chose NOT to move into Tama?
And sorry for the thread derailment. Yes there was indeed a rather gigantic Caldari fleet out last night. Hopefully a sign of more things to come. The battle report on the Caldari Eve kill site is clearer (without that second fight on the stats)
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Super Chair
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.09 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Osiris04
Originally by: Super Chair Which FC are you talking about by chance? Would it happen to be masternerdguy or ramjet?
How was Iron Man II?
Was good I ****ed around blackrise though for a bit before the show started.
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Ti'jitsu
Nemesis Nation
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Posted - 2010.05.10 00:06:00 -
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Yes, i will have some drama with a side of tears.. OH! can i haz extra failsauce?
PS. MNG is my alt how can you guys not have figured that out by now?
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.10 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hidden Snake on 10/05/2010 08:30:59 well MNG is unfortunate accident to caldari militia... we in IBS put him on black list few weeks ago + he is lucky he is not on KOS list because killing him would harm our even that low reputation.
ad Caldari rise - guys it is not just my credit - many other FCs and CEOs are working hard on it (Ramingo, Necroman, Tommyboy, Damar) - IBS just kept things going during these really dark few months and yeah we kill stuff.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.10 09:27:00 -
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To say the Caldari held the field is something of a misnomer. The Gallente fielded around 33 ships, battleship heavy. the Caldari fielded around 74 ships, battleship heavy.
The Caldari also dropped six carriers.
The Gallente roughly lost 7 battleships and 3-4 sub battleship hulls.
The Caldari roughly lost 8 battleships and maybe 1-2 sub battleship hulls.
Considering most of the Gallente got away and we're on a par with kills really is a massive failure on the Caldari part.
Originally by: Rayce Farelle
OMG I am so butthurt!
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I R also butthurt
Off topic now, and ROFL one of the reasons the MDP exists is because of douchT bags like Sigarri who decced a militia corp during one of his "moments".
How ironic!
Rayce, the MDP is not exclusive. However running a tight ship means that some restrictions and order have to exist. On top of that, we know that members of a MDP fleet won't steal from their militia comrades' wrecks, which you do.
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Bhramin
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Posted - 2010.05.10 10:05:00 -
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Rash you're a troll sir :p
The caldari have really upped their game and its fair to say allot of us were surprised, impressed and excited by recent developments :)
Am ignoring Sig and Rayce as irrelevent from now on.
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