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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Galdrin Shiltok
Quote: IDEALLY, I would also like to see warp to 0km removed from the game, and enforcing this by preventing ANY ships from warping any closer than 15km to the gate. CCP already has the means to do this. All they need to do is put an invisible 15km radius bubble around every gate which drags you out of warp, but does not prevent you from warping out. But EVE has become addicted to warp-to-0km, so this is probably too much to ask.
EH no the game used warp not have it and every one complained people where making warp to 0 bookmarks like 6 or 7 of them per gate now imagin 20k + players with 6-7 bookmarks per gate at which they might have 100s of = that much more memory the game has to store, lets just say it doesn't help the lag issue any.
Please read that entire paragraph again. Pay close attention to these phrases:
"and enforcing this by preventing any ships from warping any closer than 15km to the gate"
"All they need to do is put an invisible 15km radius bubble around every gate which drags you out of warp, but does not prevent you from warping out."
I am somewhat tired of people who stop reading at the first sentence when I voice displeasure at warp to 0km. I started playing in late 2004/early 2005. I am well aware of the impacts on lag that insta bookmarks had. I am also aware of the rapid growth in number of bookmarks needed for a system as the number of celestial objects increased. IIRC, the formula was n*(n-1) bookmarks, so for a system with 5 gates and no other celestials, you needed 20 bookmarks.
Oh yes, and back then, players didn't have "hundreds" of isntas. They had THOUSANDS of instas, thanks to the "cartography" profession that came to be where people would collect and copy insta bookmarks. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.05.14 00:31:00 -
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I see the zombies surrounding the shopping mall are getting a little perturbed.
Can't get in to get at the living flesh. The flesh won't come out. My my.
Only these zombies are little more sophisticated and are asking the producer to change the script a little.
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genette devo
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.14 00:55:00 -
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all these changes would definitely bring back the oldschool sub numbers
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L4zor R0B0T
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.14 02:47:00 -
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AHEM.
I live in lowsec.
I have not been in highsec (except to occasionally suicide gank hulks and what not) for over a year.
I can assure you, there are plenty of people in low-sec.
However, this is with the stipulation that not just ANYBODY can go to low sec. Because it is not a place for noobs, whiners, carebears, etc.
I can tell you, the risk vs. reward is fairly good. There are several systems around my home that are empty and frequently spawn cosmic signatures that I run for mad faction loots. I have made as much as 500 million off a single one.
You would think the carebears would come out of the woodwork for the chance at 500 million for less than an hour of work. But the reason they don't, is because they CAN'T BE BOTHERED HOW TO LEARN TO USE THE SCANNER, FIT THEIR SHIPS PROPERLY, USE SCOUTS, USE VOICE CHAT, ETC.
And so for you people who think that "low sec is empty", I say, stay in ****ing high sec then. You don't like all the violence? Then contact the pirates that live in the system where you're going and PAY THEM MONEY for them not to shoot you. YOU DON'T OWN LOWSEC, AND NEITHER DOES CONCORD. L4zor R0b0t
- Winner of the Hulkageddon "Ebay Warrior" Prize - Terror of miners in Sinq Laison and Everyshore - Prolific Scammer and Podkiller - Terrible Poker Player |
Kiorden Untarusk
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Posted - 2010.05.14 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: L4zor R0B0T You would think the carebears would come out of the woodwork for the chance at 500 million for less than an hour of work. But the reason they don't, is because they [b]CAN'T BE BOTHERED HOW TO LEARN TO USE THE SCANNER, FIT THEIR SHIPS PROPERLY, USE SCOUTS, USE VOICE CHAT, ETC.
Nope. Violence isn't the reason carebears like me don't go to Lowsec, it's mindless violence. Danger is fun, violence is a part of the game, but all people in low sec want to do is kill anything that moves, even the most pointlessly inexpensive and worthless ships around fitted with nothing but T1 modules.
If there was some rhyme and reason to the killing, it would be fine, but the population of low security space has made it clear that they are going to kill and pod everything that tries to go through.
YOU, yourselves, have caused all the "problems" that you think exist with lowsec, and you're the ones that whine.
Stop ****ing whining about problems you caused.
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Billy Hunt
Caldari testicular Fortitude Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2010.05.14 06:59:00 -
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NOTHING WRONG WITH LOW SEC FFS
LEAVE IT ALONE!!!
I'm no silly c**t so u can call me 'SIR'.
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L4zor R0B0T
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.14 07:18:00 -
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Quote: If there was some rhyme and reason to the killing, it would be fine, but the population of low security space has made it clear that they are going to kill and pod everything that tries to go through
Because you didn't pay the toll. Haven't you ever been on a playground as a kid?
Miners belong in high sec. Suck my ballz L4zor R0b0t
- Winner of the Hulkageddon "Ebay Warrior" Prize - Terror of miners in Sinq Laison and Everyshore - Prolific Scammer and Podkiller - Terrible Poker Player |
Dracoknight
Gallente U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.05.14 07:22:00 -
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oh god! how did this thread reach 2 pages?! ____________________
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L4zor R0B0T
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.14 07:29:00 -
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I dunno but I vow to take it further just to make a point of how whiny some people are. L4zor R0b0t
- Winner of the Hulkageddon "Ebay Warrior" Prize - Terror of miners in Sinq Laison and Everyshore - Prolific Scammer and Podkiller - Terrible Poker Player |
Kiorden Untarusk
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Posted - 2010.05.14 09:06:00 -
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Only people I see whining are people who've spent years killing anything that moves in lowsec and now have run out of targets because everybody has become aware of what goes on in lowsec and have chosen to avoid it as much as is humanly possible.
You reap what you sow. Yarr.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.14 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/05/2010 09:32:24 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/05/2010 09:31:57
Originally by: Kiorden Untarusk have run out of targets
Cool story bro.
The only people whining are incompetent or want a easy killmail delivery system. Or carebears, but nobody gives a toss about what carebears think.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.14 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
The only people whining are incompetent or want a easy killmail delivery system. Or carebears, but nobody gives a toss about what carebears think.
Are you seriously telling me if you had to choose between 2 easy kills and one almost certain death but if you pull it off it will be epic kill but you probably wont.. You would pick the suicide option?
Lowsec needs some lovin and anyone that says otherwise is trying to act big to compensate for something.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.05.14 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kiorden Untarusk all people in low sec want to do is kill anything that moves, even the most pointlessly inexpensive and worthless ships around fitted with nothing but T1 modules
As opposed to 0.0 where dictor will chase a frig or shuttle for 15 jumps?
Originally by: L4zor R0B0T I live in lowsec.
So what, you think that makes you smart or something, huh??? OP lives in forum! He knows better than you or me or anyone!
Originally by: Lana Torrin Lowsec needs some lovin and anyone that says otherwise is trying to act big to compensate for something.
Believe it or no, low sec is largely fine as it is. It could of course use a tweak or two, not to mention that REAL and WELL CONCEIVED improvements in content are always welcome, but it certainly does not require a total (and idiotic) overhaul.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.14 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Lana Torrin Lowsec needs some lovin and anyone that says otherwise is trying to act big to compensate for something.
Believe it or no, low sec is largely fine as it is. It could of course use a tweak or two, not to mention that REAL and WELL CONCEIVED improvements in content are always welcome, but it certainly does not require a total (and idiotic) overhaul.
I have yet to see one come from anyone that lives in lowsec. Most of the people that are so cut off from the rest of the game that they cant even comprehend WHY people would not want to go there. I admitted in my 2nd post that this wasn't a great idea, im not that stupid, however its 100 times better than 'move all level 4s in to lowsec lololololol'.
People don't go there because the first time they do they get ganked in seconds. Most people don't like loosing their ship to a blob (if you are solo, a blob is 3 ships and up, at least in the mids of carebears) so they just don't go back and avoid it at all costs.
Adding content that is lowsec only will just mean that pirates have something else to do. Mission runners and miners that arent already in lowsec arent going to go to lowsec for ANY amount of isk, period.
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Novantco
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.14 12:04:00 -
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Low sec is great, plenty of targets about and lots of opportunity to make some isk. Some days can be a bit quiet, but others will be swarming with things to shoot at. ThatĘs the way it will always be.
Oh yes anyone who is having trouble finding something to shoot, try probing out some wormholes.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.14 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco Low sec is great, plenty of targets about and lots of opportunity to make some isk. Some days can be a bit quiet, but others will be swarming with things to shoot at. ThatĘs the way it will always be.
Oh yes anyone who is having trouble finding something to shoot, try probing out some wormholes.
See. This is the problem im talking about with pirates and the pirate mentality. Lowsec is dead and devoid of life. That you are only thinking of it in terms of 'who can i kill next' just shows you have no imagination at all and are ill equipped to handle a grown up constructive discussion.
Lowsec is not just for pirates, or it least it should not be. I'm not looking to boost lowsec for you, im looking to boot it for the 90% of players that hate it so we can thin out highsec a bit. Boosting lowsec so you can get more kills is totally the wrong way to think about it. Boosting lowsec for the carebears is the only way to make something of it.
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Novantco
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.14 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Novantco Low sec is great, plenty of targets about and lots of opportunity to make some isk. Some days can be a bit quiet, but others will be swarming with things to shoot at. ThatĘs the way it will always be.
Oh yes anyone who is having trouble finding something to shoot, try probing out some wormholes.
See. This is the problem im talking about with pirates and the pirate mentality. Lowsec is dead and devoid of life. That you are only thinking of it in terms of 'who can i kill next' just shows you have no imagination at all and are ill equipped to handle a grown up constructive discussion.
Lowsec is not just for pirates, or it least it should not be. I'm not looking to boost lowsec for you, im looking to boot it for the 90% of players that hate it so we can thin out highsec a bit. Boosting lowsec so you can get more kills is totally the wrong way to think about it. Boosting lowsec for the carebears is the only way to make something of it.
**** them they can stay in high sec. Your terrible troll plan is terrible.
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.14 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Space Pinata on 14/05/2010 12:50:55
Quote: Lowsec being dangerous isn't the reason it's so empty. Danger is fun, but the fact that everybody wants to kill you when you go there, no matter what ship you have, what you're doing, makes it pointless. If there was some rhyme and reason for the violence, people would be there. I'd be there, but I'm not, because no matter what ship I go in, from the most defenseless ship there is, a shuttle, or a tormentor with nothing but miner I's, everybody and anybody is going to kill me, for no reason whatsoever.
You've all ruined lowsec, and you're the reason that there are so many people in highsec all damn day, so stop complaining.
As much as people disagree with this, it's 100%, completely, true.
Pirates are indiscriminate with kills. It could be a noobship with civilian gear or a faction battleship, either way, it's going to get shot. On sight. Every time.
It's not a matter of "Things might get ugly..", but a matter of "You will be shot coming in the door."
Now, I'm not clueless. Not every lowsec gate is camped, you can live safely out there, and I have done it. It's not hard, but, it's never going to thrive.
Imagine a mission system where the pirates attacked.. occasionally. That is to say, they mostly let people through, mostly accepted bribes for non-aggression (and honored them), and mostly kept out any individuals who didn't honor them. You'd get a lot of activity, and a lot of targets. Eventually, one comes in worth breaking your word. Kill them, make a fortune. The rest won't all scatter immediately because hey, it didn't happen to them yet, the risk must be low enough.
You could lie and say they broke a rule, failed to pay, etc. How can anyone know for sure?
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I'll draw a comparison to a real crime organization. Would you feel 100% safe dealing with them? Of course not; it could be dangerous. You could get on their bad side, or just be an easy mark. But maybe you can get something out of it. (Say, people who buy illegal drugs).
I hear about drug deals gone bad all the time, where someone ends up killed. But people still go for it. It's not a 100% risk. Now, if those drug dealers just shot and murdered EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO CAME TO THEM, they'd have no business and would be avoided like the plague. But they don't. The 'things went wrong, shots fired' result is the exception, not the rule.
...Just like lowsec.
Most pirate organizations in EVE are less like organized criminals and more like serial killers. They don't just use shady tactics to maximize the money they can make, killing when it benefits them.. they just kill anything and everything they see.
I can't really blame an individual pirate for this. Sure, your corp could say "OK, we'll let some pass safely, and start cultivating a 'lower risk, but still risky', lucrative environment..." ....
But all the others aren't going to. They'll keep right on shooting anything and everything and touching themselves to killmails, because it's less about piracy and more about kills. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, even, but it certainly explains why lowsec is empty.
Most people didn't decide they wanted to be a pirate to make a lot of isk, they did it to be scary evil criminals. Unfortunately, they're not very good at it. But, blowing stuff up is fun. It could be so much better with a little forethought...
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.14 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/05/2010 23:38:02
Originally by: Lana Torrin Lowsec is dead and devoid of life.
No, you're just clueless.
Nobody cares if you want another place you can play hello kitty online in; lowsec isn't going to be it and it really IS fine.
Originally by: Lana Torrin I have yet to see one come from anyone that lives in lowsec.
Well, I live in lowsec. I actually fixed my sec recently, went to highsec and, well, there is nothing to do in highsec except wardec people (and most of the time it results in a epic nothing) and buy stuff in trade hub without using a alt. I mean, except farming for ISK, and low-sec has been kind to me.
I've tried NPC 0.0 for a week and it wasn't bad, just not particularly impressive; low-sec is more fun tbh. All this talk about low-sec being ruined is silly, lowsec is fun and interesting.
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Trellish
The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.05.15 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Muckle McJita
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia The problem is, this would just encourage more Suicide Ganking, which people don't like.
Plus Jita is not a 1.0 system. Do you really think CCP would setup a system where Concord may not show up in Jita? I doubt that.
Well done, you fell for one of his spate of terrible trolls. For this he gets 1/10, as one guy fell for it.
If 10 more people fall for it, would the thread get 11/10?
Yes... OP's threads go to 11!
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.05.15 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trellish
Yes... OP's threads go to 11!
Damn right they do! I got to troll in this one AND start a serious discussion..
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Rho Legate
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Posted - 2010.05.15 07:54:00 -
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Interesting idea but it just wouldn't work, the current system has its flaws but works aswell as any would, any new system will be exploited and complained about just like the one we have now which isn't broken I see alot of low sec with 20+ people in.
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Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.05.15 08:35:00 -
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I support this idea. It will mean I can buy many t1 cheap frigs, and attack hulks in highsec. Probability indicates at some point I will not be Concorded and get to violence his boat unhindered. Probability also indicates that this point will be far less of a loss to me than to him. Repeat ad infinitum for anything I feel like killing.
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SJ Prezz
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Posted - 2010.05.15 09:04:00 -
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Making low sec chance based like you have sugested is a terrible idea, it just wouldnt work, it would kill low sec pvp as you would never know if your ship is just gona get instapopped by concord or not, what happens if you had a 10v10 fight and concord just turned up a destroyed 7 of the people, fight ruined.
The reason low sec is dead is simple, clone jumps, carriers and jump frieghters, this is never going to be changed but before these were around or so commonly used people from 0.0 would actualy come to the low sec around there space to protect it and make sure they could transport stuff through safely, nowadays to get any ships or assets to 0.0 involves find a high sec jump point near your space loading a jump frieghter up, jumping the stuff up.
Also there isnt any attraction for high sec corps and alliances to move to low sec plus most of the people that join eve what to play on easy mode so instead of working there way up and achieving or building anything on there own they just join one of the blobs in 0.0 space and stare at a blackscreen or just rat for hours.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.05.15 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin I have yet to see one come from anyone that lives in lowsec. Most of the people that are so cut off from the rest of the game that they cant even comprehend WHY people would not want to go there. I admitted in my 2nd post that this wasn't a great idea, im not that stupid, however its 100 times better than 'move all level 4s in to lowsec lololololol'.
No, it's not.
And I'm not exactly sure what first part of the paragraph means, but I've been living in low sec since late 2006 with several short breaks in high sec and npc 0.0. I don't like either as much, except for 0.0 being best for carebearing, ironically. High sec is just terrible in every regard except obviously for shopping.
Originally by: Lana Torrin People don't go there because the first time they do they get ganked in seconds.
lol
Originally by: Lana Torrin Adding content that is lowsec only will just mean that pirates have something else to do. Mission runners and miners that arent already in lowsec arent going to go to lowsec for ANY amount of isk, period.
This is arguable, however even if it's true it means nothing. Low sec population is fine, it is not devoid of life despite you thinking it is, and not everyone in low sec is a pirate. Distribution might be bad - for which FW is partially to blame - but having many more people all over would be bad for business, both for pirating and for carebearing.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.15 15:22:00 -
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In high sec, I make many deals, and profit. Profit > Risk.
In worm hole space, I make deals for services and profit. Profit >= Risk.
In 0.0, I profit and deal with organized people who majority times honor deals. Profit > Risk.
In low sec, not many deals and much time spent on navigation through hostiles. Is too expensive when factor in high risk + time in planning devious obsessive compulsive revenge + cost to kill pirate + possible cost of professional help killing pirate 3 times on principle + cost to kill pirate friends + loss of goods + loss of expensive ship + rise in blood pressure. 1 trip to low sec can cost billions and make you feel dirty for giving in to negative side of character. Low sec is unhealthy.
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Chunky Milk
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Muckle McJita
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia The problem is, this would just encourage more Suicide Ganking, which people don't like.
Plus Jita is not a 1.0 system. Do you really think CCP would setup a system where Concord may not show up in Jita? I doubt that.
Well done, you fell for one of his spate of terrible trolls. For this he gets 1/10, as one guy fell for it.
i like how you think this is a troll.... i like how you think that lana would put this much text into a troll... not the worst idea lana, obviously its got its problems as you could see in regard to the rage quits. I think .4 and under should be normal low sec, just .5 -1.0 should have that chance base stuff.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Can you please please stop with the "boost/change/nerf lowsec" idiocy? I rather like lowsec, I've lived there both solo and in corps for the last three years and am enjoying it. I understand that some PVP-ers and PVE-ers alike fail to suceed in low-sec. However, that is not a problem with low-sec; you're just incompetent.
Changing it to accomodate stupid better I do not support.
This^
NOW! STEP YOUR GAME UP!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.05.15 18:08:00 -
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The idea just changes very little. It has no real pros or cons compared to the current system - it does not add or remove any security - and would be a waste of time for CCP to implement it.
My wish for EVE is that high-sec one day becomes a "super high-sec", giving a superb safety to the players within. So secure that when they try to enter low-sec are being hit so hard by the difference that they cannot believe it, and try again and again and again ...
A gradually decreasing safety however will only leave players bruised in high-sec, and scattering around in 0.9 and 1.0 systems. They will never get out into low-sec all by themselves when there is no more border to cross or when there is just the smallest chance for low-sec to come at them. They will, as they do now, fear low-sec more than there is to fear. Only when they are fearless will they come.
The critics will shout my wish down, because they are in fear of a "super high-sec" being a haven, which they cannot mess with. If only they could understand that it is the carebear who feels save is also the one who will try to reach out and venture to them, rather than the carebear who got "touched". --
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.05.15 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound I'm a troll.
You are a troll.
Originally by: CCP Gandalf
One does not simply warp into Mordor.
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