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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.05.12 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zarnak Wulf on 12/05/2010 13:43:54 I went through many of the common Minmatar T2 ships on Sissi to see what the new insurance paid out at. The following is platinum level:
Vagabond and Muninn - 10.4 mill gets you 34.7 million isk. Crow and Stiletto - 1.3 million gets you 4.5 million isk. Jaguar and Wolf - 1.9 million gets you 6.25 million isk. Scimitar - 9.7 for 32.4 million Cheetah and Hound - 650k for 2.2 million Broadsword - 14.7 for 48.8 million Sabre - 2.8 for 9.2 million
What are people's thoughts on some of these amounts? Too much? Not enough? 30% seems to be the max on the tacklers.
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Ankerr Feranniss
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.05.13 23:08:00 -
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My thought is, that kind of insurance is completely useless.
If i buy and fit a half decent Vaga, I'll spend at least 160 millions, plus insurance 170... how would it make a difference to get 24 millions back if I lose it at all? It's 15% of the investment, looks like it's a joke ...... Insuring it wouldn't make anyone appreciably more or less confortable about putting it into the line of fire as he'll lose 135 millions if it get killed, and will likely end up as just throwing away 10 millions if he's not using that ship often.
Given the current time limit on insurance, it made sense to insure a T1 ship when you where going to put it into the line of fire as you would have gotten back a good percentage of your ISk in that 3 month timeframe. For example, an Abaddon would be bought for 125 m, basicly fit and rigged for about 55 millions, plus 50 m for insurance, would give you back 180 millions, so your wallet would be just lighter by 50 millions over a 230 m loss, it could be worth it. Now insurance lasts 4 or 5 weeks time, gives lower percentage on payout... and a ridiculous percentage for T2. It becomes a useless feature. Just remove it and be done with it.
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Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2010.05.14 00:13:00 -
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All you can estimate from this is relative value between ships. A covops will pay out less than a tackler, as stated in the dev blog. I don't want to try guessing TQ payouts.
From the preliminary patch notes: <brain siezure warning> "Ship insurance will now revalue itself periodically based on a trimmed mean of the ship's manufacturing materials global market weighted average prices." </brain siezure warning> Dev Blog on Insurance changes
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.14 08:20:00 -
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They put bombers and covops into the same insurance group? Well now that's just silly.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.14 08:55:00 -
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Hmmm, all of those platinum insurance numbers looks like 30% of the average market price. I thought we were getting 20-60%. Can someone check the insurance payouts on commandships (sleip) and T3 (loki)?
In my humble opinion, the short range inties, claw/crusader/taranis/crow need to be given a large insurance rate of 50% with the interdictors getting the max 60%. Those ships diaf way more than anything else. I'd give recons/hics/AFs 40% insurance as they are tackle that tends to die a lot but can defend themselves to a certain degree.
Also, 30% is not worth the trouble of making a contract. T2 ships are often moved around in friends carriers and can last longer which makes the insurance contract unattractive. Just automatically enroll all T2 ships into insurance and give us (platinum minus cost) automatically. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
J'J'J'Jita
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Posted - 2010.05.24 03:08:00 -
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Can anyone post the latest platinum insurance costs/payouts for T2 ships and T1 BCs/BS ? Stuff on SiSi seems to change pretty often and I'm wondering what will be live on patch day. Thanks.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.24 14:49:00 -
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Excuse me but... If the prices are weighted against the market value of minerals... How do you suppose that SiSi values can compare to TQ values? At best, like somebody said, you can see the relative price difference among ships, but I doubt even that is valuable info given that market price for minerals on SiSi isn't decided by free market rules but by whatever price they were seeded at (if they are seeded at all)...
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.24 15:05:00 -
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they seem reasonable Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Usul Atreides
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Posted - 2010.05.24 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Excuse me but... If the prices are weighted against the market value of minerals... How do you suppose that SiSi values can compare to TQ values? At best, like somebody said, you can see the relative price difference among ships, but I doubt even that is valuable info given that market price for minerals on SiSi isn't decided by free market rules but by whatever price they were seeded at (if they are seeded at all)...
This was what I was going to say.
We don't know what the current sisi prices are based upon. (However if it is the same as TQ, yeah, it's quite lame.)
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Indigosia
Caldari Ninja Traders
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Posted - 2010.05.24 23:57:00 -
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if its calculating from the average price, the 100isk items would should pretty much **** the insurance reward up.
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2010.05.25 01:00:00 -
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There has never been any suggestion the reajustment would be entirely automatic. "Regularly adjusted" I expect their current prices are based of TQ data. However, it is true, it is SIsi, nothing is law.
I for one agree with the poster suggesting automatic Platinum. The "should i insure it" paradigm is getting tiresome. Defiantly agree SB's and covops should NOT be the same percentage weighting. Completely different roles and risks.
Also whats this someone said about lasting 6 weeks now? is insurance period changing?
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.25 03:54:00 -
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Curent Sisi prices are based on current CCP prices for mats
meaning all of thoes 100ISK mats are realy screwing with the numbers right now
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.25 06:12:00 -
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From what I have got from past Dev blogs and posts insurance payout is based on averages from the Tranquility server. The data collecting for the prices is done probably every 3 months and almost certainly the insurance payout we will see on the tranquility server will be based on mineral/T2 prices gathered before the announcement about the insurance change (that last part it is an opinion, not something that a Dev wrote but I think it is a fairly reasonable one).
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.05.25 06:39:00 -
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Any kind of insurance on t2 ships is a ******ed idea since how moon minerals works.
But CCP can't comprehend that no t2 insurance will help t2 ships users it will only make big alliances richer.
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Assaj Ventress
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Posted - 2010.05.25 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Can someone check the insurance payouts on commandships (sleip) and T3 (loki)?
Sleipnir - 18mil gets you 61mil dunno for loki, but for legion 4mil gets you 14mil
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.25 14:32:00 -
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An insurance company that pays out on war-risk and fraud (ganking/self destruct), ...priceless.
Just get rid of everything except the basic uninsured loss payout ccp.
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