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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Slave 775 on 13/05/2010 07:47:22
I hope we dont have to use the same usernames and passwords as the eve client to log in to eve gate.
I dont think its smart to use these at work, internet cafe or hotel wireless.
Its already bad we have to use them to access the forums.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.13 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 775 I hope we dont have to use the same usernames and passwords as the eve client to log in to eve gate.
I dont think its smart to use these at work, internet cafe or hotel wireless.
Its already bad we have to use them to access the forums.
It's not like you sending passwords in plain text, you know?
Also, devs, what about corporations, whose logos was destroyed in Tyrannis? Any signs of reimbursement? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.13 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Edited by: CCP Karuck on 12/05/2010 22:36:22
FB is for real people,
This made me lol :)
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Slave 775 I hope we dont have to use the same usernames and passwords as the eve client to log in to eve gate.
I dont think its smart to use these at work, internet cafe or hotel wireless.
Its already bad we have to use them to access the forums.
It's not like you sending passwords in plain text, you know?
It's not like you type them in in plain text and that key logger you find on many public computers easily grabs it?
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:04:00 -
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CCP, is there any hit per second limit you would like us to respect when crawling the site?
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Shaul Amaninatis
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:49:00 -
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CCP, for all that is digital, don't implement POP3 or IMAP access into EVE Gate!
I don't want to receive spam from hacked EVE accounts.
My Thorax is stiff. It doesn't need any additional hardeners
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Worst. Dev. Response. Ever. By any company ever. That's bad even for a government bureau. Seriously, WTF are you people thinking? Or not?
you have to wonder when the last time any of them played any mmo let alone eve.
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Latex Underwear
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jurai Talar
Originally by: Latex Underwear How do I opt-out? I don't want anything to do with this.
Easy, don't use it.
That's not currently an option I can see. My accounts will be listed automatically - unless you know the answer to my question but just felt like trolling instead of answering. |
Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
So, to ensure that my private information isn't shared across the eve-verse, *I* have to go and delete all of my personal blues? When you releaste this bloody thing every personal blue that I have will be changed to either +5 or +10 (yay for only 5 settings). So if I have personal blues that I don't want to see my information I have to set them all neutral?
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
So that means that anyone who suspended there accounts for the next couple of months and who dont know about this little feature can log in and reset there settings then?
No?
so are you going to have a spash page on the reactivate subsciption page warning them that there EvEgate page is and has already been giving out all kinds of interesting information that they probably did not want made known?
theres a reason why you set you make it Opt in and not assume that they want it and make up there minds for them.
Shesh
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
you dont understand,
you are already a part of it, anyone who looks at it Via sisi can get that informaton now.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves So, to ensure that my private information isn't shared across the eve-verse, *I* have to go and delete all of my personal blues? When you releaste this bloody thing every personal blue that I have will be changed to either +5 or +10 (yay for only 5 settings). So if I have personal blues that I don't want to see my information I have to set them all neutral?
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
CCP know about the concerns, yet they deliberatly use the opt-out instead of the opt-in approach for "social" reasons, IIRC.
Can't really blame them. Most people are lazy and will leave the settings as they are, which will lead to more social interaction (good or bad). The only ones having REAL problems will be spies and traitors. Can't see a problem with them having to adjust their standings a bit.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 13/05/2010 14:47:20
Originally by: Steve Thomas you dont understand,
you are already a part of it, anyone who looks at it Via sisi can get that informaton now.
That was possible. AFAIK CCP disabled that function on Sisi for that reason. It was handy to see a the contacts of a corp thieve we had, though.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: iP0D on 13/05/2010 15:25:09 Where's the opt-out option? In advance, so you don't get sucked up by the spacebook until you disable it in your client, that is.
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
I presume that was a display of humour, right Come on.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 13/05/2010 15:58:47
Originally by: Latex Sandals EvE-Gate needs to be Opt-IN. Not Opt-out.
You are forcing people to log onto this thing so that they can protect their privacy and that is illegal in many places and certainly illogical in any place.
This.
Originally by: Irongut NO. I have standings set to a number of people who I used to fly with in corporations long gone, alts of friends in my current corp, etc. I have no interest in EVE Gate. I do not want the people I have blue to be able to see who each other are. I do not want people in my corp to see who my personal blues are. Some of them may not be friends with each other, some of them may even be enemies. I should not have to adjust my standings, they do what I want them to do atm. YOU are the ones introducing features which threaten the privacy and security of myself and my contacts so YOU should make this opt in.
Learn a lesson from Google's screw up with Buzz and make EVE Gate opt in from the start. Do not repeat such an obvious, high profile and costly mistake.
And this.
CCP, correct it.
Reducing buddy standings is not a solution since it is YOU who made this move. _______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.13 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Edited by: CCP Karuck on 12/05/2010 22:36:22
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
1) You deleted contact folders, which are virtually necessary to have anything approaching sensible organization for anyone with more than maybe two dozen contacts, since the contact lists in game forcibly show portraits and there's zero sorting functionality.
Yes, like we started in another thread we did realize this and it will be added soon in the form of contact labels (very similar to the labels in the mail system).
Yeah, but the transition is going to be annoying. I've got a whole bunch of contacts, all happily folderized. If you'd had the label system up and running for launch, you could just copy folders into labels and save us all a ton of work. With this gap, I expect that will be impossible, and I(and everyone else) will have to re-sort everything once the tag system comes online. I know, you're working on it, but this seems like it'll be profoundly annoying.
Originally by: CCP Karuck
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto 2) There's no block functionality with launch? That's been standard in any sort of social interaction medium since the mid-90s. How exactly did you overlook it?
Block is in client, we had to delay it for a week or two on EVE Gate.
Ah, I misunderstood. So client blocks will also apply to Spacebook? That's not so bad.
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
So my contacts only get shared with contacts that I have set blue? Annoying, but not as bad as people are making it out to be.
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.05.13 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fearless M0F0 on 13/05/2010 18:24:03
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Although I have no concern with my buddy list becoming available to everyone I see how this may be an issue to many. CCP should pay more attention than just discard it as whines.
I don't think it is a good idea to force your customers to go and change standings ONE BY ONE in order to keep protecting information that is - before the expansion - already protected. The default should be for this information to stay protected unless you do something to share it.
I think eveGate standings should be independent from in-game standings and provide an interface to copy current contacts to it. Since this is not going to happen before next Tuesday, evegate deployment should be put on hold.
-- Fearless M0F0> RELEASE TEH KRAKEN! Teh Kraken> RAWR
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DmitryEKT
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 19:58:00 -
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Seriously, why is it opt-out instead of opt-in? No explanation either... typical CCP
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.05.13 21:32:00 -
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Wow, I got a boner...
Its... a browser and stuff. Great expansion guys, great.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:16:00 -
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This is just getting more and more laughable.
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Vissinii
Minmatar Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
you dont understand,
you are already a part of it, anyone who looks at it Via sisi can get that informaton now.
Holy ******** ********** batman!
I haven't tested eve-gate, the concept didn't interest me personally so I hadn't even read up on it until it was brought to my attention as an impending hugely useful method of determining who our enemies' enemies and friends are.
"Eve-Gate - The Essential Tool In Every Information Warfare Arsenal"
Get in early for maximum advantage! (And stay in, naturally, on as many accounts as it takes - denial of service being a tried and proven method of maintaining advantage, after all.. One way to ensure the success of the new tool I guess - I predict it'll be hugely popular, statistically.)
Seriously CCP, what are you thinking, that Eve is a friendly playground where everybody helps each other mine Veldspar?
As for protecting your previously thought-to-be-secure standings information preemptively by setting everyone to neutral - spare a thought to what your POS' will do to your friends and allies before you go that route
Oooh - does it also expose Corp and Alliance settings due to the new cascade sequence of standing inheritance?
.................
Sarcasm, doomsaying and roleplay aside, CCP - this is a mistake of biblical proportions (imo), standings settings were, insofar as anything is in a game: 'private and secure' information and have been used on that assumption by many. Exposing that information to public scrutiny is going to lead to customer dissatisfaction at the least. You should have a serious rethink.
I have to wonder where you're going with making NRDS impossible to maintain via the 300 contact cap as well, but I won't rant on that now, my characters are all in NBSI anyway.
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Lord's Prophet
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vissinii Eve is a friendly playground where everybody helps each other mine Veldspar
I fully support this statement. ________
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If I ever need an alligator at 3am, I now know where to find one!
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Ms Michigan
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Posted - 2010.05.14 01:58:00 -
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Allright CCP and Co. - This message is for you. IF you intend to make this site into some sort of mini-game as you have espoused already - you can count me out of EVE. This game takes too much $@# time as it is to stay on top of trading, etc. And you want to make it to where you can do all of this without logging in eventually. Reality check, not all of us are programers and people with no lives. I want to be an industrialist in EVE but now I won't be able to because you just made it that much easier for people to do this stuff at work if all you have is internet. What about those of us with jobs where I don't sit behind an internet connection. So all my competition that has desk jobs while I am out flying and have no internet can sit around and can my hard work as an industrialist Basically is what you are telling me?....
THANKS - THANKS A LOT. Ya know I never used to believe the haters in this game and now I see what they are talking about. You people are trying to justify your jobs and are so OBSESSED with whether or not you CAN do something - you never stop to think if YOU SHOULD. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
One peeved player
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.05.14 02:06:00 -
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Ok, I want to stay out of the 'show my friends' part by default.. oh wait.. already to late.
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:11:00 -
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CCP obviously doesn't care about our privacy concerns as they have never - in any of the threads regarding this - replied to any of them.
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5NAKE plisken
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:44:00 -
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Quick question, will i be able to use evegate on a smartphone? Would be cool if i could check mails etc whilst out and about,
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.14 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Catari Taga CCP, is there any hit per second limit you would like us to respect when crawling the site?
Crawling EVE Gate is forbidden as part of our soon to be updated Terms of Service, and can be a basis for an account ban. Remember that everything you do on EVE Gate you do logged in as your account. You should be using the API when writing your tools, and if there is functionality on EVE Gate that is not on the API then that's something we will consider adding.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.14 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: 5NAKE plisken Quick question, will i be able to use evegate on a smartphone? Would be cool if i could check mails etc whilst out and about,
If your phone has a decent browser and you don't mind scrolling a bit then sure, we've already been trying it on the iPhone (and iPad) for example. A more mobile-centric solution is not a part of this release.
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gargars
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Posted - 2010.05.14 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: gargars on 14/05/2010 20:48:44
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves CCP obviously doesn't care about our privacy concerns as they have never - in any of the threads regarding this - replied to any of them.
I am usually very patient about things (as in CCP can't please everyone all the time) but I agree seeing so many folks concerned with Eve Gate handing out personal info as the DEFAULT and forcing everyone to change settings and figure out how to opt out of this (and the vast majority of players won't even know of the need to do so) is very angering. Even more angering is watching other questions being addressed by CCP here, and all the privacy "make it opt in" concerns blatantly being ignored.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.14 21:53:00 -
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We are not ignoring those concerns, they have been discussed a lot internally and we have commented on them numerous times in other threads.
I would really like if people got their facts straight on some of the things they are panicking about, it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
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