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Karizma Karpenter
News Team Assemble
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Posted - 2012.10.30 16:22:00 -
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I wish i could PVP but i cant use voice coms when the kids are in bed and the wife bitches at me when im talking over eastenders!
If voice coms were not so crucial as it seems i would be kamikaze frigate bashing all the time!!! |
Sharise Dragonstar
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2012.10.30 16:41:00 -
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I have never PvP'd since my creation back in 2009. Only deaths on my KB are a couple of ganks when I tried exploring in Null. I play other games a lot and I pvp an awful lot, more than I do pve so i have often wondered why I dont pvp in eve. Its not based on ISK as I have almost 10bn and its not about losing as I have pvp'd an awful lot on better pvp games and got my butt kicked many times. I think its more to do with time loss. As eve learning is time based getting the maximum amount of skill points per sub fee is important to me, I want value for my money. I would not be prepared to pvp with any implants and I am not prepared to lose significant amounts of time by pvping without any. Now if I could jump into my implant free clone for a couple of hours pvp then jump back to my implant clone after i finished then I guess I would pvp more. However you have to wait 24hrs to jump back and losing 20-22 hours of improved skill learning is unacceptable to me. |
Makton Kelevin
Draconis Coalition The Draconis Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:00:00 -
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10v1 = GF o7
umm, that math doesn't really work. How would you expect that one guy to say "gf" when 10 ships drop on him?
Currently, I'm in Null so I guess I shouldn't be typing here, but either way, I don't get into PvP.
1. I really don't know how to PvP. I can PvP in a fleet as I can listen to the FC and follow orders just fine. I can also pick a ship that probably won't get primary first. As far as solo PvP, I'm fairly lost and am attempting to learn to protect myself, but it does no good when its 1v10.
2. Cost/time of skilling, getting, and fitting the ships. I've seen so many "get a rifter" but I have yet to see a rifter on the field and survive. You know what I do see though? Hounds, Wolfs, Retributions. Sorry, but I haven't seen a fair fight with a rifter. Most fleet roams I'm in, I have either a t2 friget or BC (Drake or Hurricane). And we are popping Tengus, Lokis (again 10v1 except Im on the 10 side). All those ships are expensive.
3. General feel like crap for the underdog. from number 2, I just don't have any satisfaction killing some guy's tengu with 10 BCs. Now, if I could get him with my Drake alone, awesome!! However, we know that would not be the case. I like to help people and defend, so I'm not looking for a fight.
Also, people's addiction to the KillBoards is scary. People cannot get into corps and corps cannot get into alliances without good killboards. Personally I could care less, about my kills and losses. Kills only mean I got the final blow and by losses are usually 1v10 with me being the 1. What's the point?
I've only been in null sec for a couple months now and I'm learning the ropes, but I do still end up in hisec for mining and other things. Best thing I have in null sec right now is the plexs. Thankfully, I'm on a good corp, and I like running around with the fleet to protect our area, but thats about it.
-mak |
XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
17
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:42:00 -
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I enjoy pvp and pve. Sometimes I dont feel like doing pvp so I go do pve. Whether mining or missioning. PVE is fun to me. Hisec gives me the opportunity to enjoy the pve side of eve. If I want pve with pvp then Ill go to low/null/wh to get that experience.
What keeps me from pvp is that sometimes i just dont want to pvp. Like in non mmo games, I dont always play the multiplayer side. Sometimes I enjoy the singleplayer and coop experience of the game.
What keeps me out of kspace pvp is the local channel. I prefer jspace because of the delayed local channel. If lowsec and nullsec had delayed local, i would spend a lot more time out there. |
Ager Agemo
Saturn Reaper
118
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Posted - 2012.10.30 18:06:00 -
[575] - Quote
I do love pvp and i have lost quite some stuff to pvp
to me the main problem is that to replace ships takes a long time, even so i still pvp whenever i can.
personally my problem is that i like battleship fights, and those end up being way too expensive, and finally jump clone timer, i m very well willing to risk my navy scorp or even more expensive ships, those i can replace, but i cannot replace my genolution set. |
Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 18:18:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote: Honestly, what keeps me from PvP combat (even though I have done it on occasion) is simply the fact that I'm not interested. I don't get a woody over the idea that I must amass a huge kill board to prove that I am a success. It does not inflate my ego one iota. When I do "PvP" it's because it is something to do, or it is necessary in order to accomplish some other goal. Going out in a combat ship to kill other players is IMHO very repulsive and moronic. It serves no higher purpose than getting a cheap thrill at another's expense. Seriously, I know that statement will offend some of you, that's fair... we are equally offended.
I served my time in RL Military, I've seen the elephant, and I know what it takes to achieve an objective. For me combat is a means to an end... it is NOT a cheap adrenaline pseudo-drug trip. I play EvE because it is a complex and challenging emersive game environment, as well as a social outlet. My toon (Diablo) is trained primarily to be a supporting role in combat, not a simpleton grunt with a gun trying to get his Epeen on. I hate with a passion these young kids nowdays with the "Bully" or "Thug" mentalities. They are a societal blight, not worth the brown stain in my shorts. It's too bad that they can't find a more meaningful purpose to their lives than simply ganking unwilling and peaceful highsec carebears just because they can...
I guess that makes me a "Real Life" BitterVet
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Ictineekey wrote:
much has been said about time ... time to train, time to prepare/fit your ship, and time to find an honorable opponent while dodging all the muggers
much has been said about the cost of losing your ship/fit/implants
the bottom line in my opinion is that it comes down to fair competition vice unfair competition - nobody likes to be on the receiving end of a mugging by some bully that thinks might makes right (and at the individual and gang level, when itGÇÖs non-consensual, that's all it is - a mugging)
I believe many more players would engage in individual/gang PvP if the mechanics existed to ensure a fair and competitive contest conducted in some organized fashion. I'm specifically excluding corps/alliances because of the wardec and tournament systems.
While there dozens of ways to do this, they all involve three things: 1) consent to engage in the contest; 2) some way to determine your chances of survival before you consent for decline the engagement; and 3) some minimum form of organization to the competitions. I don't care if you have a system of challenge lists, or arenas, or continual tournaments, or whatever - just organize it, instantly pop anybody who is not part of the competition assisting a competitor (i.e. remote repper), show competitors fits prior to consent, and agree to take part in the competition
There are few things better than the feeling you get after winning a tough but fair fight - there are few things more upsetting than getting your teeth kicked in because your opponent didn't fight fair - we don't stand for anarchy and roaming gangs mugging random people in RL - why should we stand for it in eve pvp?
If I was a Klingon I might say something like 'there is no honor in defeating a weakling, and only cowards pick fights with weaklings ... honorable combat, and the joy derived from it, comes from combat between equals or defeating a superior enemy after making the decision that losing everything you have is worth the attempt'
There is no value in being a suicide terrorist. And that is what most pvp in eve seems to be. There is no real sense of accompishment. Being a bully or being a bully's victim just seems dumb and pointless.
I am very competitive in every facet of my RL. I am very competitive in eve also. My fun in eve is to survive and prosper in spite of being surrounded by terrorists that keep trying to entice me to come over to the dark side.
I to have done pvp in other games but eve pvp is just stupid.
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Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
151
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:41:00 -
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First: Since some people are wound up about this, I not only accept the way EVE is, I prefer it. The fact that someone can be a complete jerk makes my decision not to be a complete jerk meaningful and consequential--and some of the consequences are costly. But at least I'm making a decision and living with it, not just following a EULA. Also, by PVP I mean ship-to-ship PVP, which is the only kind that is ever meant in these discussions anyway.
That said, these are the things that have kept me from PVP:
* High sec. Honestly, if I'd started in null, or a WH, I'd probably have gotten right in to PVP, because the rules of engagement are clear and simple. High sec couples arcane rules with painful consequences. Additionally, all empire PVP I've been involved in were straight ganks, which are dull. One in particular was so dull that I went AFK to get a drink, and so predictable that I correctly calculated how much time I had before I had to be back ATK to warp my pod to safety, which I did. I've never gone AFK in a mission. On the plus side, I learned a number of useful things from that loss, and from my other losses, so I don't begrudge any of them.
* Time. I've dicked around for an hour and a half in a Drake, waiting for a nullsec fleet to assemble. I've spent three hours flying in frigate fleets through identical-looking, identically empty lowsec systems trying and failing to find somebody who wants to attack.
* Training. I don't mean in-game skill training, though that helps too. I mean player training. The person who said that the #1 obstacle is the fear of doing it wrong is exactly right.
* Prep. A nullsec veteran told me that if you haven't won a PVP engagement 5 steps before you undock, you're doing it wrong. I took that to heart. It takes a lot of time to set up the dizzying number of safes and tacs that seem to be taken for granted. It takes time and a lot of struggling with EVE's interface to set up the hangars full of ready-to-fly PVP ships whose existence seems to be assumed.
* Alts. I don't have them. I don't want to have them. If I can't find an actual person who's willing to buddy up with me, I don't do anything that requires a second or third toon.
* Corp membership. I like to be around to help out, and to have standings with the relevant factions and NPC corps that make me useful to my corpmates. That means that I do a fair amount of PVE with the goal of building and maintaining standings. That takes up most of my available time.
* Friends. I'm in EVE because some of my friends are in EVE. Some of those friends have absolutely no interest in ship-to-ship PVP. I'd rather hang out with them than do something they don't want to do.
* Because PVP is consequential in EVE, not "fun," people are out to win. That's not good or bad, it's just true. As a consequence, while I have no goals that are advanced by PVP, I have no incentive to do it.
* I'm still growing and learning a lot doing what I'm doing. When that gets old and tired, sure, I'll look around at new options.
The following things are NOT reasons for avoiding PVP:
* Ship loss? Please. I welped an untold number of blaster Catalysts in missions because I loved flying them and I was determined to find some way to make them work. After that, I welped a bunch of blaster Vexors, until I learned to use drones properly. Left to my own devices, I still send unlikely, omni-tanked ships into missions without checking EVE Survival, because perfect preparation and flawless execution are boring.
* ISK loss? Nah. I'm not playing the game to accumulate ISK. As long as I have enough to continue doing what I'm doing, I'm happy.
* Implants? Nah, been there, done that. See above. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
352
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:34:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Quote:What keeps you from PvPing? * Idiot FCs * Ignorant FCs * Dumb-arse FCs * Interminable sitting doing nothing * Interminable flying around looking for "targets" * retreating from blobs whose members think they're the greatest peeveepee-ers in the known universe... Shall I go on? I find my own fights, and only join fleets with people I know.
Confirming all pvp is in fleets. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
13
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:31:00 -
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The pvp in EVE actually reminds me of the pvp in Aion. In fact both games seem to stride for the pvpve setup. Intermixing both types into one. It's a terrible fail for both games. It's clear that it only promotes e-bullying. I was big into Day of Defeat and for being strictly a pvp game, it didn't have near the e-peen stroking tards that can be found in pvpve games. The reason is quite simple. The e-peen stroking, e-bullying tards flock to this style of game because it mixes the pvp and pve together. These people are not looking for a fun, fair pvp experience. They are simply looking to beat up on those who can't defend themselves (pvp fit ship vs a pve fit ship or worse yet, a defenseless freighter). |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1837
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Posted - 2012.10.31 03:09:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players. So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks.
I choose to not PVP because I'm a forum alt. In fact, I also choose not to log in or have any training running.
Come to think of it, I pretty much choose to have nothing whatsoever to do with the actual game part of this fine forum.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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Naburi NasNaburi
War Trident Trifectas Syndicate
128
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Posted - 2012.10.31 07:41:00 -
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Nothing.
Although I have to admit that pvp has changed ALOT over the years.
I came back early 2011 from a 3 year break (shhh I know..bad Nabs), found myself in my (t)rusty Rupture, 5mil Isk on my wallet and a sec of - 6ish.... somewhere in the middle of lowsec. Within the first 30 minutes of being back to EVE I died to a blob... and another and another.
I ratted my sec back up, took a look at hisec piracy, took a look at hisec wardecs, suicide ganking, went -10, ratted back up... went to 00 (lasted a whole 2 months and I almost died of boredom there), FW yadda yadda. So husband and me moved back to hisec again....... within a week i was back to -4, ratted back up, decced a corp and then it hit me like a brick while camping 3 wartargets in a station: I dont want to rat up for 3-4 hours just to keep my sec clean enough for 3-5 kills and for sure I dont want to play silly station/docking games anymore.
I moved to lowsec joined a bunch of GREAT guys (love you boys!) and now I am having the blast of my life. imho having the right people with you/around you, sure changes your pvp experience, and I am not talking about blobb experience, I am talking about the laughter (be it your loss ot the opponents loss) silly situations, win some lose some - if you get to share those moments, pvp shows its true beauty.
Maybe I just look at it from a different perspective :) |
Damsel in Distress
Men staring at Boobs
35
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Posted - 2012.10.31 08:19:00 -
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Not too much tbh, but there's hardly a point.
Tried some FW and occasionally engaged when I felt like it (and died horribly), but usually I just warped out of plexes when someone showed up.
That was not because Im a gunless farming alt, but because I just couldn't take the people trying to fight me.
What did they expect if Im doing plexes in my poorly skilled T1 frig, barely tanking all the rats and all that warps in are thrashers, thrashers, more thrashers, a couple of faction frigs and yet more thrashers? Most likely, they also had friends on standby, were fitted with billions of implants and had a titan boosting from a pos.
I dont blame them for trying to engage in a better ship, but they shouldnt be surprised if I dont take the fight.
The few times I died, it was either to: - instalocking gatecamps. - another time a militia "mate" convoed me and wanted us to take on a hostile thrasher in a plex, said he couldn't catch up to him in his destroyer and needed me to point. When I was in pointrange, the "mate" just warped out - turned out it was his own alt. - another time I agreed to a frig 1on1 - turned out the other guy couldn't manage to kill me and when I almost had him down, he called in two friends to finish me off
No complaints here and I dont mind the losses, but as you can imagine, its not very motivating for a newbie and just doesnt make sense to fight back instead of just running away. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
186
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Posted - 2012.10.31 08:49:00 -
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It's not even remotely profitable (for me at least). |
Naburi NasNaburi
War Trident Trifectas Syndicate
128
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Posted - 2012.10.31 12:35:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:It's not even remotely profitable (for me at least).
You shouldnt pvp for profit... Suicides are there for profit. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
41
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Posted - 2012.10.31 13:45:00 -
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Makton Kelevin wrote:I've seen so many "get a rifter" but I have yet to see a rifter on the field and survive. You know what I do see though? Hounds, Wolfs, Retributions. Sorry, but I haven't seen a fair fight with a rifter.
Interesting, because that was my experience, too - like recommend by lots of people I build 30 rifters with the intention to lose them all and learning pvp that way. But somehow I didn't had the feeling that really worked out - yeah, I lost them, but I can't really say I had the impression that I learned anything. In the end I decided it's not only me being clueless, but that this "get a rifter" is an myth.
There's another thing that's tough for a newbie getting into PVP, that most veterans propably laugh about: All those different ships! I have switched to Thrashers now, but can't really say I am more successfull in PVP then with the rifter. The problem is, when I see another ship on D-scan or even encounter it, I often have forgotten what kind of ship that is and if I have a chance to encounter it successfull. So I either cowardly warp away when I seem to remember it was a badass ship (only to discover afterwards that an Viator isn't that badass... ), or I encounter the ship and die horrible, because it wasn't a T1-frigate like I thought it was.
I am learning ship name and classes now like I used to learn vocabulary several dozen years ago. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
188
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:35:00 -
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Naburi NasNaburi wrote:Lipbite wrote:It's not even remotely profitable (for me at least). You shouldnt pvp for profit...
Why not? I PvPed in Ultima Online for profit and it was great: bounties for PKs were huge and they fought desperately because status penalties for PKs were horrible in case of death (10% skills loss upon resurrection unless they spent 8 hours in game for each murder to "wear off" penalties).
Also I fail to see any other reason to PvP in EVE: it's not dynamic (either single valley or minutes of monotonous orbiting), it's not fast (you can spend hours in roams and camps before shooting anyone), it's not easy (you have to study like university course to be effective), it's not colorful / artsy (dark ships on dark sky = mess, primitive explosions and shooting without environmental lighting effects like it's 2005), it's not fair or balanced (no arenas, bigger blob wins).
TL;DR For my taste EVE PvP is not fun. |
Arsedestroyer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.10.31 22:34:00 -
[587] - Quote
Unless you're into blobbing and defending moongoo, there's absolutely no point in PvP interaction in this so called 'pvp-focuesed' game. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2022
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:51:00 -
[588] - Quote
Apologies for the semi-necro, but with the upcoming expansion I was wondering if any of you have plans to give PvP another go? Or perhaps there is still walls in your way to keep you from PvPing? If so please explain.
Please don't lock this thread for necro, I think it has a purpose and I hope CCP is and has been reading it. Thanks!
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.27 10:01:00 -
[589] - Quote
Gate campers. |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
292
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Posted - 2012.11.27 10:28:00 -
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Eh, for me: Kinda hard to get into pvp for me now, made this character in 2007 and was basically logging on changing skills and logging off or doing some pve. Now when people see my age and compare it with my progress in the game they assume that i bought this character.
- I don't want to get into fights when i know that they are at obvious advantage(ex. multibox loki links) -I don't want to constantly grind missions for my losses, although i should probably start suicide pvp with frigs/AFs/cruisers
Now, I DO want to fly in bomber gangs or be a curse/damnation pilot but just getting there is hard right now =|.
Im stuck in the "make isk so i don't need to worry about buying ships 10x over" mode. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
230
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Posted - 2012.11.27 10:38:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: with the upcoming expansion I was wondering if any of you have plans to give PvP another go?
EVE PvP wasn't fun and profitable before Retribution, it won't magically become fun and profitable with 20% of killmail cost.
Also I already PvP non-stop for many hours daily - in newly released Planetside 2. Multi-moon environment and arcade-ish aerial lazors combat with minimal set of modules (couple weapons, couple abilities) is enough of sci-fi PvP for me. It's fun, fast, technically simple - these are primary parts I've missed in EVE version of PvP. Also it give xp - resulting in feeling of progression while EVE PvP gives me feeling of degeneration (due to time and monetary losses). Also PS2 has its own TEST alliance version. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
372
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:32:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:I like how you just ignore the second part of my reason. But I don't expect you to get it, you're in TEST. You probably get implants and stuff delivered on a silver platter.
Anyway, I'm not here to take crap from you. The OP asked for my reason, I gave it.
Your pod is only really at risk in null sec, so just don't go there if you arescared of losing implants. Also begs the obvious question of why put expensive implants in all your jumpclones unless you just didn't want to pvp, in which case its not really an excuse either.
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Vartan Sarkisian
Inner Visions Of Sound Mind
7
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:26:00 -
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I have started to PVP now, but I remember when I didnGÇÖt want to and it was for a number of reasons.
1.At the beginning I was afraid of losing my ship. 2.I also didnGÇÖt have a regular source of good income in order to pay for loses. 3.I had the impression that everyone that did pvp had done it for ages and would wipe the floor with me. 4.Not sure how to fit ships properly. 5.I just didnGÇÖt know what to do.
Now most of the kills I have now are in fleet with my corp mates (in fact i think they all are), Ive yet to get into solo PVP and the main reason for that is that I am not sure really where to go in order to get solo reds to fight, where I am they tend to be in fleets, or expensive ships (or both).
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DaDudeinDump
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
11
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:29:00 -
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I'm poor. So I can't afford to lose anything bigger then a cruiser. Which is why I fly only frigates and destroyers. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
434
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:33:00 -
[595] - Quote
Excellent thread. Really. Amazing how many people pointed out that there's just no point, or that it's not fun.
I mean, common wisdom of this forum suggests it's risk aversion, or fear, on inability to do it. But it seems much simpler for most folks. Like "what do i get out of it?" and "it's not fun when I do it" (regardless of whether they win or lose). |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
139
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:28:00 -
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I went scrawling through some of my local low-sec systems today looking for a fight in my pvp-fitted Daredevil, fully prepared to lose it if it came to that, but just wanting to get some action.
Nothing. Nada. Not even a lowely noob in a Navitas taking his chances on the low-sec-only Jaspet in the asteroid belts. Plenty of people in system sometimes, but everyone was docked up. No one in space.
That's what's keeping me from pvping atm. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
42
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:39:00 -
[597] - Quote
Naburi NasNaburi wrote:Lipbite wrote:It's not even remotely profitable (for me at least). You shouldnt pvp for profit... Suicides are there for profit.
The fact that suicides are about all that's left for making a profit from pvping should be an indicator of how seriously borked piracy is getting and why there's barely anything except killboard padders/bored carebear alts doing it nowadays. Under the pretense of fairness and helping teh noobies, CCP has been steadily removing the profit from PvP in EVE.
A moment of silence for the loss or weakening of the following pvp for profit methods, killed before their time by rampant bear pandering:
1) Canflipping: If nothing else, you had the potential to steal ore and make a little profit that way. If you managed to flag a mining barge, you had the potential for a ransom or at least some juicy loot without having to sacrifice your ship. Or the miner could kill you or have friends waiting to kill you because, you know, you were flagged to his whole alliance (which isn't enough apparently).
CCP killed that overnight with orebays. EHP buff in the face of the new high-alpha BCs and destroyers possibly could have been defended, but an orebay? Seriously? Because GSCs and friends/alts to haul the loot were just too much to ask? No wonder miners get treated like bots so often.
2) Dec ransoming: Dec costs went up by because that 50+ man indy corp refused to jump in cruisers and blob the one or two guys war decing them. As a side effect, CCP also hamstringed the mercenary corp profession by introducing the allies mechanic allowing buttloads of cheap help looking for nothing but easy kills turning wars into public derp fests.
3) Ninjaing: Hasn't taken a hit yet, but will after global flagging and AI changes.
4) Incursion rep flagging: Skunkworks caused so much damage doing this in the form of billions upon billions of shinies lost that CCP took action within WEEKS "for the greater good of the community."
5) Lowsec/Null piracy: Probably the oldest one on the list, it's been slowly debilitated as a result of skewed risk/reward mechanics leading to low/null being EVE's arena system while the isk flows down from Trammel/Highsec.
6) Bumper harass/Awoxing: I'm putting this on the list for when CCP inevitably destroys them too because they were never "intended" to make a profit. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
456
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:47:00 -
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The only thing that keeps anyone from pvping is the fact that they don't want to, regardless of the excuses they make up to justify it. If a person ants to do something, they find a way. It's like with kids who have dozens of excuses why they can't get their work done, but move heaven and Earth to make it to a party.
There is nothing wrong with not liking ship combat pvp even in a space ship game where MOST of the ships are combat ships, that makes you weird but not stupid. The stupid comes in when you think you should be immune to ship combat PVP in a ship combat PVP game just because you don't like it. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Auric Veldfinger
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:16:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:[quote=Naburi NasNaburi][quote=Lipbite]A moment of silence for the loss or weakening of the following pvp for profit methods, killed before their time by rampant bear pandering:
1) Canflipping: If nothing else, you had the potential to steal ore and make a little profit that way. If you managed to flag a mining barge, you had the potential for a ransom or at least some juicy loot without having to sacrifice your ship. Or the miner could kill you or have friends waiting to kill you because, you know, you were flagged to his whole alliance (which isn't enough apparently).
CCP killed that overnight with orebays. EHP buff in the face of the new high-alpha BCs and destroyers possibly could have been defended, but an orebay? Seriously? Because GSCs and friends/alts to haul the loot were just too much to ask? No wonder miners get treated like bots so often.
+10000000000
Don't forget safety settings on the guns now as well.
"Eve is a harsh and cold world". |
Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:18:00 -
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I dont PvP because im scared of everything outside of my mothers basement
Although im sure that my life could be turned around by a manic pixie dream girl
Although all i ever meet in this game are other basement dwellers I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
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