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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:28:00 -
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Is CCP going to incorporate DX 10 let alone DX 11 into Eve's next expansion, or is it planned for the one after Tyrannis?
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Elgaris Dukor
Caldari Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:30:00 -
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What would that be good for?
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:44:00 -
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Nothing.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:58:00 -
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short answer no
long answer nnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Regardless of how many people say ccp doesnt care about their player base, they actually do. Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11, plus there are many who run eve on mac and lunix, so yeah not going to happen.
Well not until openGL and others catch up with d10 and d11.
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Mazaron
DeathByDestruction
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Swiftgaze on 17/05/2010 20:14:19
Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
...you realize that nearly half of the playerbase are many people, right? I think you do. Right? :) VOTE CAT
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
Oh yeah, because every single player uses steam, RIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT....
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:55:00 -
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If DX10 support was introduced no doubt it would be half-assed
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: JitaBum If DX10 support was introduced no doubt it would be half-assed
...Fantastic!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
Oh, only half the players? Might as well drop DX9 support tomorrow.
Also, Steam failbase userbase!=EVE playerbase. -
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
Or do research before spouting crap.... |
Ibn Minion
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:44:00 -
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He was clearly pointing out a statistic from the gaming world and not specific to EVE. Any statistic is valid if given enough relevant data.
I'd say steam, being a popular DRM/distribution platform, has more than enough data to make a decent statistic on how many people actually use DX9/10/11. There's no arguing with those numbers mates. That being said...
I don't support the dropping of DX9 support as it would alienate a large portion of the playerbase, me included when I'm at work using the company laptop with crapy XP and DX9. There will come a time where the development of the client, graphics wise, will demand we move forward on the DX version, but I'd say DX9 will be around for another year or two (hopefuly!)
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: DuKackBoon
Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
Oh yeah, because every single player uses steam, RIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT....
Of course not every player uses steam, but if you are a player, what player wouldn't use steam or even heard of steam? I do think steam's data is fairly accurate. If not, it shouldn't be far off. ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.18 03:21:00 -
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will it improve lag levels yes/no Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.18 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
Thank you for trolling, now go back to your corner. Besides that survey doesn't mean that is eve statistics.
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Kerfira
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: NeoShocker Of course not every player uses steam, but if you are a player, what player wouldn't use steam or even heard of steam? I do think steam's data is fairly accurate. If not, it shouldn't be far off.
I'm playing games and don't use steam... Same for many others...
Steam's data is accurate... For their user segment, but not for EVE!
Statistically, it is absolutely useless when trying to gauge how EVE users HW-setup is because there is no correlation between the two groups. Basic Statistics 101...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:08:00 -
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to the OP what do you think DX-11 would add to eve-o -- | 7th Year Lottery |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:21:00 -
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Nice shiney stuff?
I dont really understand why half the people here are going emo with the idea of adding DX11 support. That doesnt mean DX9 support would be dropped, look at bf:bc2, can run in DX9, DX10 and DX11 mode.
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
What is this Steam you speak of and why would anyone want to lease a computer game from a stupid internet store?
Also, God hates you. (ingame)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.18 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Nice shiney stuff?
I dont really understand why half the people here are going emo with the idea of adding DX11 support. That doesnt mean DX9 support would be dropped, look at bf:bc2, can run in DX9, DX10 and DX11 mode.
The way CCP develops things, it would. Look at classic mode. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Angeli Domini What is this Steam you speak of and why would anyone want to lease a computer game from a stupid internet store?
Also, God hates you. (ingame)
Well now... you seem to be under the illusion of actually owning the software which you "buy" in a box at your local gaming store. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you don't actually "buy" software. You merely "buy" a limited license to "use" the software. Much like a leaseplan, that license can be revoked.
OT: dx10/11 is great and all but I feel that eve shold get a 64bit client first. Also, those steam statistics of yours show that ~75% of the users had multicore processors. I don't know if eve is multithreaded, but if it isn't, that should take first priority.
Speed the game up before implementing something that could potentially slow it down.
Off topic: how many people have converted to 64bit? I swapped over with windows7, and I'm NEVER going back to 32bit.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Fille Balle dx10/11 is great and all but I feel that eve shold get a 64bit client first.
Also, those steam statistics of yours show that ~75% of the users had multicore processors. I don't know if eve is multithreaded, but if it isn't, that should take first priority.
Yes, that would probably help the game a fair bit more than DX[n+1] would ever do, and would actually keep helping the game in the future as it would give it more flexibility to make use of whatever fancy stuff shows up in the future, unlike moving to a rendering path that will sooner or later be obsoleted anyway. Quote: how many people have converted to 64bit? I swapped over with windows7, and I'm NEVER going back to 32bit.
Everyone who has more than 3GB of RAM and/or a 1GB+ graphics card, hopefully, or they're just deluding themselvesà
Also, yes û SnowLeopard ftw! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Angeli Domini on 18/05/2010 10:30:47
Originally by: Fille Balle
Well now... you seem to be under the illusion of actually owning the software which you "buy" in a box at your local gaming store. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you don't actually "buy" software. You merely "buy" a limited license to "use" the software. Much like a leaseplan, that license can be revoked.
No, it can't. On which planet do you live for christ sake? You don't lease your software in the store (be it an online shop, or brick-and-mortar store). You buy your copy. You don't buy any lease plan, you don't buy ownership to the code base, you buy your licensed copy. Your license to your copy cannot be revoked by any means as it is against consumer laws in pretty much entire civilized world, surprisingly including ****holes like the USA.
This may work well within your Steam theatre, where you explicitly agree to fire up an internet connection and "reactivate" your leased software every time you decide to reinstall it, but that's what you get for subscribing into crappy services. Gosh, kids these days..
Originally by: Fille Balle
Off topic: how many people have converted to 64bit? I swapped over with windows7, and I'm NEVER going back to 32bit.
Sure, because running 99% of the currently existing software under 32bit emulation has never been more trendy.
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS to the OP what do you think DX-11 would add to eve-o
Improved graphical textures for all of the Eve features including when we finally can leave our ships and walk around the stations.
On yt is a comparison video, and DX 11 looks amazing compared to DX 10...or 9.
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:26:00 -
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1. Steam is actaully a code name for Greece's financial advisors
2. Support for multi-core CPU's is actually what Tyrannis is about....I mean what the heck else does it do????
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Angeli Domini This may work well within your Steam theatre, where you explicitly agree to fire up an internet connection and "reactivate" your leased software every time you decide to reinstall it, but that's what you get for subscribing into crappy services. Gosh, kids these days..
That's not really different from purchasing it normally. If you lose the media it's stored on (be it the discs it came on or the Steam account), you're SOL and have to buy a new set. The clever thing to do in both cases is to make backups (which is usually harder for physically distributed copies than digital ones these days).
They have offline mode for a reason. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Fossil 2. Support for multi-core CPU's is actually what Tyrannis is about....I mean what the heck else does it do????
I heard they now support keyboards, fyi.
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Oddshrub
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Oddshrub on 18/05/2010 11:56:16 Edited by: Oddshrub on 18/05/2010 11:54:41
Originally by: Mazaron
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Many people run os's that dont suppord dx10 or 11
Oh really?
53.18% DX10. Do research before you spout crap.
I think you can expect a lot of steam users to have much more powerful computers than eve-online players considering the line up of games on there.
That being said it's kind of silly to use an steam survey which doesn't include their new Mac platform. If anything I think you can expect valve, and other developers who rely mainly on steam sales, to shift towards openGL as well as it's simply easier for multiplatform development.
Sucks for windows fanbois I guess, but microsoft probably shouldn't have made their exclusive platform exclusive on their own system as well (especially not when nobody wanted vista). :p
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.05.18 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Amerilia on 18/05/2010 12:55:59
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Fille Balle dx10/11 is great and all but I feel that eve shold get a 64bit client first.
Also, those steam statistics of yours show that ~75% of the users had multicore processors. I don't know if eve is multithreaded, but if it isn't, that should take first priority.
Yes, that would probably help the game a fair bit more than DX[n+1] would ever do, and would actually keep helping the game in the future as it would give it more flexibility to make use of whatever fancy stuff shows up in the future, unlike moving to a rendering path that will sooner or later be obsoleted anyway. Quote: how many people have converted to 64bit? I swapped over with windows7, and I'm NEVER going back to 32bit.
Everyone who has more than 3GB of RAM and/or a 1GB+ graphics card, hopefully, or they're just deluding themselvesà
Also, yes û SnowLeopard ftw!
Well I have 4 GB of Ram and 1 GB DX 11 Graphics Card,- but I am running a Win XP/SuSe Linux Dualboot system. I tried Vista and 7, and I hate them, especially because I cant easily access Appdata, it locks me out of the system for every little access to the core system (uac) and the commmand console is nerved to hell (I cant even drag & drop thinks into a console in win7.- WTF?) As a programmer I do have a Win 7 and a Vista Operating System on another pc at hand, to ensure basic functionality of my programs on those machines, nothing more. Sidenote - I am using DX 10/11 Features in one of my programs ( a game) through OpenGL,- Other game developers could choose to follow the same path, to let winxp users in on it as well.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:01:00 -
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Steam's numbers are ofcourse 100% accurate, as they COUNTED them. I'm quite sure that the steam user isn't very different from the EVE player PC wise so the whole "but this isn't steam" is pretty much nonsense.
just over 50% DX10 leaves just under 50% for DX11 and DX9, DX11 being fairly new means that DX9 is still very much common. So a DX10 conversion means losing a lot of the playerbase, making the question is kinda silly. OP asked the question just because he learned about new DX versions and wanted to look intelligent anyway. It's not as if DX10/11 actually adds something to EVE. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service |
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