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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.05.18 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/05/2010 12:19:27 Hi,
my corp wants to have some cheap cruiser PvP fun. I will sit in a Minmatar cruiser. And while I have some experiences with the shield Rupture I've absolutely no clue about the Stabber. And I don't read much about it. Is the Stabber rather suboptimal?
Which Minmatar T1 cruiser would you choose? And why?
I could imagine the Stabber as cheap Vaga version. I'd fit it more or less like the Rupture: MWD + LSE + scrambler (or 24k point?). Lows with gyro + TE + maybe one nano. A medium neut and most important 220mm Vulcans in the highs. For good tracking plus still good damage. This should compensate the lack of drones maybe.
Edit: my reason to consider the Stabber over the Rupture: better ability to dictate range and GTFO option.
Thoughts? Thanks. -
Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S
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Malatha
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:15:00 -
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Fly a Bellicose. Here is an excellent fit.
[Bellicose, PVP] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II
Target Painter II Target Painter II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Small Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/05/2010 13:25:36
Originally by: Malatha Fly a Bellicose. Here is an excellent fit.
[Bellicose, PVP] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II
Target Painter II Target Painter II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Small Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5
Interesting. But why those two Nos? It's capstable without the MWD.
EDIT: Rigs and low slots are stacking like crazy. I guess it's a pre-nano-nurf-fit ^^
But anyhow, after a slightly modification....could work nice as gang booster with the TP bonus. But I'd use HMs instead of HAMs. That way I could utilize it's speed way better. HMs are more versatile also. -
Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S
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Malatha
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:32:00 -
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The NOS are pretty helpful, would keep them around.
You can swap up the rigs for Core Defense Field Extenders for a bit more buffer. Yea, the rigs are pre nano nerf.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:39:00 -
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I call the bellicose the t1 huginn/rapier. There is hardly a member of are corp that hasnt flown this ship (Unless they cant fly minmatar ships). Its better than the stabber (For the most part) mainly because of its drones tbh. Ive flown the stabber even more than this ship and its hard to tell the diffrence atleast against larger ships. Although it does take frigates down with noticeable speend (Atleast compared to the stabber) which is its main target!
Dont even bother with the unbonused missile launchers and neuts are your friend!
[Bellicose, Bellicose] Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Target Painter II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Warrior II x5
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:13:00 -
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Rupture is the only real choice. Tweak the lows and you can get Stabber speeds with much better EHP and DPS. |
tagen young
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Posted - 2010.05.18 15:03:00 -
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The rupture is really great. Armour tanked its a excellent brawler while if you have other people to tackle for you a shield tanker with lows filled with gyro/TE's is are real face melter.
As for the Stabber it lacks the DPS/EHP of the rupture but is ultra fast. Its strength and maybe its weakness is that it is a light cruiser or heavy frigate. I happen to like the stabbers hit and run style of combat and with practice it has amazing survivability. As much as all ships benefit from T2 I think the stabber really needs T2 autocannons.
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Pajama Sam
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.18 19:35:00 -
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[Rupture, shield] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.05.18 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Owen Drakkar on 18/05/2010 21:43:20 [Rupture, Armor] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x1
Edit: Removed redundant shield fit, see above.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.05.19 07:57:00 -
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Only the Scythe is hard to make work really, so take your pick. Best is the Rupture. Great damage, great tank potential, good speed, drones .. it has it all. No other T1 cruiser compares currently so a solid choice.
Bellicose is the ultimate surprise ship, everyone tends to underestimate it. Can field a great shield buffer tank and does decent damage with guns/drones .. Good speed and and easy refit for gang assist duties makes it a worthy second in my book.
Stabber's GTFO ability is limited now that scrams kills MWD's .. a single miss-click and you drop like a stone It does a good job at tackling until heavier hulls can reach a target and it can go head-to-head with a lot of ships if flown/fitted right. Quite fun overall which brings it very close to Belli's second place.
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Owen Drakkar Edited by: Owen Drakkar on 18/05/2010 21:43:20 [Rupture, Armor] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x1
Edit: Removed redundant shield fit, see above.
Because the kind of pilots who fly T1 Cruisers have AWU 5.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez
Originally by: Owen Drakkar Edited by: Owen Drakkar on 18/05/2010 21:43:20 [Rupture, Armor] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x1
Edit: Removed redundant shield fit, see above.
Because the kind of pilots who fly T1 Cruisers have AWU 5.
Yip, I've AWU 5 and I fly T1 cruisers - with T2 guns
@Hirana Yoshida: thx for that nice roundup. I guess I'll lose the one or other cruiser - so I've a good opportunity to test them all ^^ -
Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S
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zorecati
Vexile Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:00:00 -
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I think you'll find that anyone who's trained for marauder will have this skill trained. __
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Verys
Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:21:00 -
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Minmatar ships are excellent in the cruiser department.
The rupture is a hard-tanking hard-hitting or just hard-hitting ships depending on how you fit it and does well all-round, this and the hurricane make excellent pirating ships.
The Stabber is fast and does very nice DPS for a cruiser sized ship, the vaga is basically a stabber on steroids, it can be shield/kite tanked quite well.
The belliciose I've never flown that one but having flown both huginn and rapier I'd say they should do well in gang warfare especially since they could be used in a support role offering extra dps from the target painter bonus they are however thin as paper.
For lols you could set up a remote shield repping gang of scythe's, other than that they are pretty worthless in the pvp department.
Now personally I'd choose the stabber as it's fast, it offers dps and it can kite most guns while keeping your target pinned down. Add drone repair bays to carriers |
Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.05.19 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Because the kind of pilots who fly T1 Cruisers have AWU 5.
This actually fits with AWU 3 and that dirt cheap PG2. Dooooooooooooooooooosh.
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