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Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 06:55:00 -
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Hi folks,
I'm looking at setting up a high sec POS for some general industry. I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to be doing with it long term , but I am going to be researching and copying BPOs, probably trying my hand at T2 invention and I know I want to do some ship production (I can do this at an NPC station if needed).
What I would like to know, is which control tower (don't include faction towers) would work best for this? I also intend to use my army of alts to make the fuel too... once I figure out this PI thing.
Any help would be great. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
382
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Posted - 2012.07.13 07:40:00 -
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Caldari. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.07.13 07:41:00 -
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Thank you, any particular reason why?? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
382
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Posted - 2012.07.13 07:45:00 -
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Yes.
You didn't ask what reason, you just asked if there was one.
That said,
http://eve.1019.net/pos/
Grab a copy of the EvE Wiki list of POS modules involved in HS industry (Labs, etc), and look at the fitting stats of each POS type.
Just like fitting a ship. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Princess Strawberry
20
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Posted - 2012.07.13 10:10:00 -
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If you're not 100% sure what you're doing with it, and it's in high sec, small is best. Fuel is not cheap.
If you're going to make the fuel, then I guess you might mine your own ice products, in which case, get a tower that fits the faction's space you are going to set it up in. Caldari towers need fuel made from the isotopes found in the ice in Caldari space, for example.
They do have different powergrid/cpu but you can overcome any differences because typically you are going to have a core of some labs, assembly arrays and so on, plus some defences. Just adjust what you use for defence. It's easier to "fit" some missile batteries around a Caldari POS, but with a small Gallente POS you could have the same core of, say, 2 labs and a couple of arrays, but you'd get more defences by fitting turrets rather than missiles. In my experience the differences in fitting are relatively minor. There are differences though so if you're a real min/max type person, well, the tower type depends on exactly what you want to squeeze onto it.
http://eveonomics.blogspot.co.uk/
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:12:00 -
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Caldari (and variants) are considered the best for highsec research because it has the highest CPU, and therefor can fit the most labs.
Minmatar (and variants) are considered the most defensible because anchoring any weapon system to a pos except Arty is sub-optimal.
Generally speaking, if you're just going for some rink-a-dink thing to play about researching with, a small caldari will give you enough CPU for 3 standard labs (9 me, 9pe, 3 copy slots), and can easily be torn down if you get decced. The other racial smalls will limit you to two labs (6me, 6pe, 2 copy)
Edit to add: Building at a pos is can help you turn slightly more money (speed bonus), but greatly increases your risk exposure and work load. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
863
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:32:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1591859#post1591859 |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
33
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:47:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1591859#post1591859
all labs (used in research related jobs) use far more CPU then power. So if you are planning on having many labs you will want a tower (caldari) that has a higher CPU amount.
If I remember correctly a caldari can fit roughly 10 labs and have around 20% resources left over for guns/hardeners/whatever. I'm pulling this off the top of my head but was researching it a few weeks back.
Also you are better off going with a large tower. Small towers will consume less fuel blocks but they are a prime target for wardec's. |
FightTh3p0w3r
CyberTecK Production Technologies New Eden Research.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.15 06:15:00 -
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If you dont know what your going to be doing with it then I wouldnt put one up...
There are many people that have a highsec tower that let them go to waste or spend more money then what they actually make using it for.
There are also many people and corps that will give access to their high sec tower. I would talk to someone like that before you go investing in a POS that you really dont need. |
Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:02:00 -
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FightTh3p0w3r wrote:If you dont know what your going to be doing with it then I wouldnt put one up...
There are many people that have a highsec tower that let them go to waste or spend more money then what they actually make using it for.
There are also many people and corps that will give access to their high sec tower. I would talk to someone like that before you go investing in a POS that you really dont need.
Ah but I do know. I'm going to be researching prints, as well as gaining knowledge on how to do invention and print copying. The best way to learn is to do, so I'm going to do.
I've got my alts set up making POS fuel now, so thats basically free (trollface). Even if this costs me, its about learning how it all works, maybe making a profit out of it... and besides, its fun. That's what EVE is about after all. |
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Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:09:00 -
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As a continuance, I'm going to be putting my POS in a 0.7 system in Amarr. Now from what I've discovered, I need 0.7 unmodified standing with Amarr (faction) to do this, is that correct? Whats the easiest way to do it? COSMOS? I have finished all the tutorial agents, and they bumped me up to about 0.3 or so.
Also, I have discovered in the LP stores some little data cards that say they allow you to use a starbase for 1 hour each... are these required to put your POS up? None of the guides I've read have mentioned it.
Also, would I be correct in stating that all I need are the control tower and the labs (and whatever defences)?
Cheers. |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
53
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Posted - 2012.07.17 07:38:00 -
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Paikis wrote:As a continuance, I'm going to be putting my POS in a 0.7 system in Amarr. Now from what I've discovered, I need 0.7 unmodified standing with Amarr (faction) to do this, is that correct? Whats the easiest way to do it? COSMOS? I have finished all the tutorial agents, and they bumped me up to about 0.3 or so.
Also, I have discovered in the LP stores some little data cards that say they allow you to use a starbase for 1 hour each... are these required to put your POS up? None of the guides I've read have mentioned it.
Also, would I be correct in stating that all I need are the control tower and the labs (and whatever defences)?
Cheers.
You need 0.7 corp standing towards the faction to anchor the tower, after that you can add or remove structures even if you corp standing is lower.
Yes, Cosmos missions are the easiest way to increase your faction standing, but you should probably have a look at a faction standing guide. Getting the needed standing is the most difficult part of setting up a POS, and it's not your personal standing it's your corp standing.
The LP store sells starbase charters which is like pos fuel, you need 1 each hour, but it's also possible to buy them of other players.
You can setup defense if you choose to do so, but i hi-sec it's normally not needed. You can defend be just taking the pos down, be that may be unpractical if you are running really long jobs, or don't have the standing to set it up again.
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.17 09:25:00 -
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As a correction to the above, you need 7.0 corp standing towards Amarr to anchor in a .7, not 0.7 standing.
Also, as an extension of the above, if your corp standing falls below 7.0 you can add or remove structures just fine - but the tower itself has to stay anchored, or you'll be unable to reanchor until you're above 7.0 again. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
73
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:32:00 -
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Princess Strawberry wrote:If you're not 100% sure what you're doing with it, and it's in high sec, small is best. Fuel is not cheap.
If you're going to make the fuel, then I guess you might mine your own ice products, in which case, get a tower that fits the faction's space you are going to set it up in. Caldari towers need fuel made from the isotopes found in the ice in Caldari space, for example.
No, no no no no.
It isn't cheaper for him to mine the ice for himself. Pos fuel price is pos fuel price whether you mine it yourself or not.
Also, when figuring out if you make a profit or not always calculate the items on sell orders, not buy orders. You figure out why. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:45:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:Caldari (and variants) are considered the best for highsec research because it has the highest CPU, and therefor can fit the most labs.
Minmatar (and variants) are considered the most defensible because anchoring any weapon system to a pos except Arty is sub-optimal.
Generally speaking, if you're just going for some rink-a-dink thing to play about researching with, a small caldari will give you enough CPU for 3 standard labs (9 me, 9pe, 3 copy slots), and can easily be torn down if you get decced. The other racial smalls will limit you to two labs (6me, 6pe, 2 copy)
Edit to add: Building at a pos is can help you turn slightly more money (speed bonus), but greatly increases your risk exposure and work load.
True but you can max out two characters in terms of slots with pretty much any of the large towers if you're copying or inventing.
OP factor in fuel cost. A large tower can cost over half a billion a month in fuel. Don't think making the blocks yourself is cheaper. It's exactly the cost of the blocks on the market, because if you don't use them you can sell them anyway. Also, don't go all in for a large one until you've worked out your revenue. I started with a small, which is pretty cheap, but also pretty limited, just to get the hang of things (particularly costs and profits). Now I know what to build and sell I'm running a large.
Also, don't forget that you need high NPC standings to anchor in high-sec. This is something I forgot about so I had to start a new corp, wait for character standings to settle for the character I added to it (which had high standings) and only then could I anchor the POS. |
Lucas41
Matrix Technologies Omega Vector
9
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:42:00 -
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As a continuance, I'm going to be putting my POS in a 0.7 system in Amarr. Now from what I've discovered, I need 0.7 unmodified standing with Amarr (faction) to do this, is that correct? Whats the easiest way to do it? COSMOS? I have finished all the tutorial agents, and they bumped me up to about 0.3 or so.
Easiest way to get your corps standings up is the hire a corp booster to sit in your corp for 7 days or buy a pre boosted corp if you're in a hurry.
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Batelle
French Defence Union
94
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Posted - 2012.07.22 23:55:00 -
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Paikis wrote: Ah but I do know. I'm going to be researching prints, as well as gaining knowledge on how to do invention and print copying. The best way to learn is to do, so I'm going to do.
I've got my alts set up making POS fuel now, so thats basically free (trollface). Even if this costs me, its about learning how it all works, maybe making a profit out of it... and besides, its fun. That's what EVE is about after all.
If this is just for your use, and you're doing this partially for the learning experience, go with a Caldari small. The fuel prices won't cripple you. By this I mean the cost of the tower + a few months of fuel will be small enough that even if you somehow aren't able to recoup any of your investment through the pos, it won't be such a big deal, just a few hundred mil. A large tower sort of requires you have large scale, profitable manufacturing ready to go as soon as you online it.
A small tower can put up a couple labs and a manufacturing array or two. Just make sure there's a station in system you can rent a office in, so you won't have to put BPOs in the labs themselves. The Golem - The "Meh" of Marauders |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
279
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Posted - 2012.07.24 18:18:00 -
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For 2 research personel with 10 job slots each, u recommend a medium tower. I run a medium with 2 advance labs and 2 mobile labs. The mobile labs let me run 10 invention jobs at a time. The advance labs let me run 6 copy jobs and I save 4 jobs for bpo research.
I use a station for manufacturing as this saves on fuel costs.
As for type of pos, use whatever racial group that matches the ice in your area and work on mining locally and making your own fuel. Coincidetally, 2 characters with 6 planets each can also make all pi components needed for pos fuel, leaving some room for overflow that can be used in t2 module and ammo production.
Also, remember the standing requirements to anchor a pos and move out of caldari space. Outside of caldari, there is much less competition for moons and station manufacturing slots.
Alternarively, for starters, use a small caldari pos. It can fit 2 advanced labs, 1 mobile lab to get you started. Again, mine ice locally, refine and sell the isotope to pay for whatever isotope caldari uses and make your fuel that way. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.07.24 18:24:00 -
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Join a research alliance (like NER) to do your research (cheaper than fuel), and make runs to low to do your copy jobs. It'll be a whole lot cheaper than throwing up a tower (small will probalby get you dec'd and the tower popped) if you aren't ready to maximize it's potential to make isk (and pay for itself). |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:07:00 -
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A small tower will not get you war decced. It really depends on how visible you are. A 2 man corp in an out of the way system with a small tower will never be noticed. Perhaps if griefers are looking for targets on the forum, or if the guy talks smack in local, yes. But in general, no one will even notice their existance.
Plus the cost and time to gank such a tower isn't worth the limited payout. |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
1100
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Posted - 2012.07.29 14:21:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote: all labs (used in research related jobs) use far more CPU then power. So if you are planning on having many labs you will want a tower (caldari) that has a higher CPU amount.
If I remember correctly a caldari can fit roughly 10 labs and have around 20% resources left over for guns/hardeners/whatever. I'm pulling this off the top of my head but was researching it a few weeks back.
Also you are better off going with a large tower. Small towers will consume less fuel blocks but they are a prime target for wardec's.
In general, it's a moot point, because a hi-sec tower should run maxed-out labs/arrays and not worry about defense stuff being online. You can rely on CONCORD to protect your tower until you get wardec'd.
Anchor the defensive modules ahead of time? Definitely. Online them? No. (Maybe a few proj/hyb/laser batteries if you have PG to spare.)
When you get wardec'd, having the defensive modules already anchored means you just have to go out to the tower, evac your labs/arrays, then start putting defensive batteries online. You've got a 24h warm-up period. Use it. You can even anchor spares over and above what you could possibly put online at the same time. So as your guns get destroyed, you can put the spares online.
Caldari are best for pure research, since they have the most CPU Amarr / Minmatar make nice deathstar setups, but have less CPU Gallente, aren't that great unless you live in Gallente or are doing reactions |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
141
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Posted - 2012.07.30 09:10:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:A small tower will not get you war decced. It really depends on how visible you are. A 2 man corp in an out of the way system with a small tower will never be noticed. Perhaps if griefers are looking for targets on the forum, or if the guy talks smack in local, yes. But in general, no one will even notice their existance.
Plus the cost and time to gank such a tower isn't worth the limited payout. hi |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
206
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Posted - 2012.07.30 13:56:00 -
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Caldari: Best D*ckstars, best POS for pure research Gallente: Best moon harvesters/reactors with their 100% bonus to silo capacity and ample CPU Minmatar: Best defended POS. Currently autocannons/artilerry is the best POS weaponry, this can fit plenty of it and gives bonuses. Has enough CPU to fit a few non-combat modules. Amarr: Poor man's Minmatar. Decent for moon mining valuable materials that might be coveted by others. At the time of this writing, Amarr fuel is cheaper than Minmatar fuel. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Paikis
Sslyth Industries
114
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:41:00 -
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Just out of interest, when do corp standings update? |
Unholy Son
Unholy Industries Ltd CAStabouts
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:51:00 -
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If Im correct its 7 days after the average changes. |
Echo Mande
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:29:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Hi folks,
I'm looking at setting up a high sec POS for some general industry. I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to be doing with it long term , but I am going to be researching and copying BPOs, probably trying my hand at T2 invention and I know I want to do some ship production (I can do this at an NPC station if needed).
What I would like to know, is which control tower (don't include faction towers) would work best for this? I also intend to use my army of alts to make the fuel too... once I figure out this PI thing.
Any help would be great.
If you're only going to be doing ME/PE work, having an alt join an alliance like New Eden Research might actually be a better idea than keeping a tower.
If you're not sure what you're going to do with the tower and/or are only going to have 1-2 toons using it, a small caldari tower is probably your best bet. You should be able to fit a couple of labs and a component array (to store stuff and make fuel blocks). For casual invention this should do fine, especially since you'll get the manufacturing time boost from the component array. You may occasionally have to juggle the onlined arrays to do manufacturing at the POS.
If you're a bit more serious about inventing you can get a medium caldari tower. That tower is big enough to mount 2 labs, 2 advanced labs, a component array and 8-10 other manufacturing arrays (ammo, module, drones, components) at once. Stacking 4 toons' inventions in the normal labs should allow you to only change invention jobs every 4-5 hours while the manufacturing arrays should allow you to build one set of T2 BPCs while preparing for the next set (building T2 components, T1 modules and RAM).
A large POS, even though it has space for lots of labs and manufacturing arrays, is something I'd only really recommend if you have at least half a dozen toons to keep the arrays fed. At that point you will probably be spending quite a bit of time planning out copy runs, inventing and manufacturing to keep the arrays fed and ISK flowing. Set up right a large POS allows you to copy capital BPCs and regular BPCs and do inventing and manufacturing (T2 as well as T2 preparation) all at the same time.
The one thing I would not currently build at a POS is T2 ships because the manufacturing arrays involved have a materials penalty.
HTH |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
918
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:10:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Just out of interest, when do corp standings update? Unholy Sun wrote:If Im correct its 7 days after the average changes. Corp standings update daily at downtime.
Only members that have been in the corp 7 days or longer are considered. Only members with non-null standing affect the average. To have null standing, the member must never have had any standing towards the faction. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
155
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:51:00 -
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You can hire ppl for standings upgrades. They will have very high standings that affect your overall average. Sometimes you might also have to kick members with very bad standings. Just until the tower is anchored, then they can rejoin.
Fuel costs, last time I had a tower, were basicly, 75 mil a month for smalls, double that for mediums, double that again for large towers. (300ish a month) This was before fuel blocks....dunno how prices are now, but I suspect a little more. Back then Isotopes were climbing thru the roof.
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