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Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.19 08:46:00 - [1] CCP know who the macroers are...right? Well then, why not flag them by painting big red target signs on them and having regular players have at it? As well as raiding their corp supplies. Let the player base be your police force in this case. And just like you have an isk spammer button, place a suspect macro user button as well so CCP can monitor the actions of these people. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Amarrlookindude	Posted - 2010.05.19 08:48:00 - [2] First in another thread about macroers!
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.05.19 09:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr CCP know who the macroers are...right? Well then, why not flag them by painting big red target signs on them and having regular players have at it? As well as raiding their corp supplies. Let the player base be your police force in this case. And just like you have an isk spammer button, place a suspect macro user button as well so CCP can monitor the actions of these people. The whole problem lies in identifying a macro user, because removing one is easy, if they first are found! That is, unless they want to hold the ban hammer for a unholy rage event! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.19 09:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 19/05/2010 09:45:24 Well then, how about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. Consider it an on the spot mining license. Every (insert m3 level here) that is mined, a captcha license renewal appears requiring human input in order to continue. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.19 09:51:00 - [5] Yeah, how about a captcha when you lock up ships, too, and for every salvo of your guns? I mean, they could completely do away with tracking and signature calculations and just base damage on how few spelling errors you have in typing in the captcha. It would be a fun minigame.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.19 09:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Merouk Baas Yeah, how about a captcha when you lock up ships, too, and for every salvo of your guns? I mean, they could completely do away with tracking and signature calculations and just base damage on how few spelling errors you have in typing in the captcha. It would be a fun minigame. ^^WTF does that have to do with macros? It's just for mining. If anything, mining is sooooooooooooo boring, a captcha would wake me up every now and then. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Well then, how about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. Consider it an on the spot mining license. Every (insert m3 level here) that is mined, a captcha license renewal appears requiring human input in order to continue. While possibly a mite annoying, it would probably be highly effective. If you were to make a real proposal out of it, I'd support it. +1 --
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:23:00 - [8] ^^ Done! [center]___________________________________________________ http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1320864Please support my this anti mining macro proposal.[/
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: Merouk Baas Yeah, how about a captcha when you lock up ships, too, and for every salvo of your guns? I mean, they could completely do away with tracking and signature calculations and just base damage on how few spelling errors you have in typing in the captcha. It would be a fun minigame. ^^WTF does that have to do with macros? It's just for mining. If anything, mining is sooooooooooooo boring, a captcha would wake me up every now and then. Ever heard of macroratting?
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:15:00 - [10] Edited by: Jo Ka on 19/05/2010 11:18:06 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 19/05/2010 09:45:24 Well then, how about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. Consider it an on the spot mining license. Every (insert m3 level here) that is mined, a captcha license renewal appears requiring human input in order to continue. This must be one of the worst ideas I've read resently. There are plenty of miners that mine semi afk and mission runners too. They are not running macros. I used to mine with an old character of mine, even had someone ask if I was macro mining but I did not answer. Seems to me some people in this game are just a bit too paranoid about miners being macro miners. But as to your idea it would only be fair if everyone not just miners had to sign it each 15 minutes or 30 minutes. Can you imagine what peoples reactions would be when they are in the middle of a fleet battle and a window opens for them to click on. Nice idea for getting people to leave the game, it's a cracker. Can't wait to hear your next idea.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Jo Ka But as to your idea it would only be fair if everyone not just miners had to sign it each 15 minutes or 30 minutes. Can you imagine what peoples reactions would be when they are in the middle of a fleet battle and a window opens for them to click on. Who said anything about EVERYONE having to sign in every 15-30 min? Of course THAT is a stupid idea. But just like everything else in the game that can be exploited unfairly, you need countermeasures for the macro miners. Until someone comes up with a better idea, don't dismiss mine as BAD. ------------------------------------------------ Please support my anti-macro mining proposal.
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 19/05/2010 12:00:49 Originally by: Jo Ka But as to your idea it would only be fair if everyone not just miners had to sign it each 15 minutes or 30 minutes. Can you imagine what peoples reactions would be when they are in the middle of a fleet battle and a window opens for them to click on. Who said anything about EVERYONE having to sign in every 15-30 min? Of course THAT is a stupid idea. And as for "only be fair if everyone..." that doesn't make sense either. Not all aspects of EVE are "fair." Fairness has nothing to do with it. Functionality does. But just like everything else in the game that can be exploited unfairly, you need countermeasures for the macro miners. Until someone comes up with a better idea, don't dismiss mine as BAD. Security measures should be out of sight not in your face whilst you are ingame. Plus I know miners get blamed by players for being macros when they are not. Mining can be dull and time consuming and I certainly would not blame someone for watching a film whilst mining. Wonder how many are falsely accussed compared to miners that are actual macro miners. And the fact they don't answer if asked something does not mean they are not at the screen or at least have an eye on it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr And just like you have an isk spammer button, place a suspect macro user button as well so CCP can monitor the actions of these people. I believe Nooma K'Larr is a macro user. Deploy the black helicopters. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:27:00 - [14] I thought macro wrighters are now able to create a macro that can read the screen. Not sure if they would then be able to make a macro type in the captcha correctly, but either way, there are more then macro miners and the others rake in a whole lot more isk. So that option of a captcha is horrible. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
War Kitten	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Until someone comes up with a better idea, don't dismiss mine as BAD. Suicide ganking is a better idea than yours. Now we can dismiss yours as BAD. Seriously, captcha? That doesn't break immersion or anything. Nor is it an original thought... your assignment for the week is to go back through years of forum discussion on eve-search.com about macro hating. Discover all the BAD ideas and learn why they're all poor solutions so you can catch up with the rest of the class. Then, and only then, will you (or anyone else) be qualified to start the elventy-hundredth macro solution thread.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:52:00 - [16] Originally by: War Kitten Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Until someone comes up with a better idea, don't dismiss mine as BAD. Suicide ganking is a better idea than yours. Now we can dismiss yours as BAD. Seriously, captcha? That doesn't break immersion or anything. Nor is it an original thought... your assignment for the week is to go back through years of forum discussion on eve-search.com about macro hating. Discover all the BAD ideas and learn why they're all poor solutions so you can catch up with the rest of the class. Then, and only then, will you (or anyone else) be qualified to start the elventy-hundredth macro solution thread. Feel better now? Gave the ego a good raging h*rd on? Now replace my idea with your better one. Waiting... As for the forum, sorry I just play EVE...I don't live it. Even if my idea is not original, it's still a good one IMO. So instead of trolling, how about hearing all the ideas you guys have to fix macro mining. ------------------------------------------------ Please support my anti-macro mining proposal.
Desigre Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I thought macro wrighters are now able to create a macro that can read the screen. Not sure if they would then be able to make a macro type in the captcha correctly, but either way, there are more then macro miners and the others rake in a whole lot more isk. So that option of a captcha is horrible. Slade There was news about year ago that some spammer had made javascript based neural betwork implementation that could defeat certain types of captcha's. So i would say No for this proposal, its not solution to problem some players think there is. Fact still remains, only ccp can identify macrominers at some credible certainty. Players that whine about them are just trying to get some easy kills, since theyre too scared for real PvP.
Jeneroux Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:28:00 - [18] Make asteroid targeting visual only. Disallow targeting from overview. Click on asteroid to lock. Make random asteroids explode and damage ship. The warning is that the asteroid begin to glow before explosion. If you do not move away from glowing asteroid.. you get asteroid bits through windshield. Put random virus in ore. When veldspar start crawling around in the hold, you must jettison infected ore or module failure. Since most macro use ocr to read text box, remove text and make functions with visual cue. The macro rely on reading.. a macro can not "see" Less text control and more visual control defeat most macro.
Yuda Mann	Posted - 2010.05.19 14:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 19/05/2010 09:45:24 Well then, how about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. Consider it an on the spot mining license. Every (insert m3 level here) that is mined, a captcha license renewal appears requiring human input in order to continue. Yes because captcha's can't be broken. Even google's captcha can be botted. This is beyond the dumbest idea to ever be posted on eve-o. So your solution is to do nothing to stop macros while annoying the hell out of legit players and making your false positive ban rate skyrocket? Seriously? A hulk with T2 ice lasers and 2 T2 ice upgrades has a cycle time of about 260 seconds. With cargo rigs it can hold 3 cycles of ice. That means a legit player can turn on the lasers and walk away for 17 minutes before the lasers turn off. Please explain in full detail how you're going to tell the difference between a legit player alt-tabbing to play a flash game for 15 minutes at a time and a macroer. Your paper should be 3 pages long double spaced, and don't forget your introductory and conclusion paragraphs. Points will be marked off for spelling errors. I would also love captchas to pop up for everyone ratting in 0.0 to stop macro ratters. Especially if it was timed right when reds showed up in local. That would be the COOLEST thing ever!
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2010.05.19 15:33:00 - [20] Any captcha can be broken, and even if CCP came up with something special, the botters would move to missions, so now we add captch to undock.. So they move to ratting in 0.0 where they never dock, so now we ad captcha when you lock a rat... You see what I am getting at here? -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr CCP know who the macroers are...right? Wrong. Now what? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.05.19 18:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Well then, how about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. What a sparkly new idea! I'm bet nobody ever suggested that before! I'm sure you won't find twenty pages of threads about this very idea if you went to eve-search and, you know, looked! Way to go! Unfortunately while it is a completely and utterly original idea it's just not a very good idea.
Ryhss Caldari 42nd Airborn	Posted - 2010.05.19 21:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 19/05/2010 09:45:24 Well then, how about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. Consider it an on the spot mining license. Every (insert m3 level here) that is mined, a captcha license renewal appears requiring human input in order to continue. Good idea.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.05.19 23:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Until someone comes up with a better idea, don't dismiss mine as BAD. what stunning logic. so you can spout crap ideas and until someone comes up with one you think is better, your bad idea is to be considered de facto? Please, Masternerdguy, stop posting. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Morolen1 Mushroom Liberation Front	Posted - 2010.05.19 23:33:00 - [25] I like the "all belts in empire must be scanned down" idea. Though the "only allow visual targeting" idea might have legs as well. ----- I'm a Caldari Nationalist, Fascist is Such an ugly word.
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.19 23:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Morolen1 I like the "all belts in empire must be scanned down" idea. Though the "only allow visual targeting" idea might have legs as well. Trouble is why stop at scanning in just Empire and you might as well add moons and planets to that if you go that route. Or to extreme stations too. Then when you go into a new system you can either warp to a jump gate (unless you have to scan for that too) or on entering the system stop and scan at the jump gate you've just gone through. You would end up with loads of bookmarks. Scanning down the asteroid belts is pointless really as you would only have to scan once and bookmark it. Most miners will just mine in the system they are in as long as there is a station there. So it's best left alone, unless you want to scan everything down or look through hundreds of bookmarks. Ok you won't have to look through hundreds as you can see the system ones but you will end up with hundreds.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2010.05.19 23:50:00 - [27] Im sorry Nooma but please calm down. People are trying to tell you what is wrong with the idea and you dont listen to them. There is more then just mining macros out there. You also have mission,trade and ratting macros. With your current idea you would suddenly interrupt the game for..well...sorry but a majorety of the people who play the game (most of us have to do some of these things once in a while). At the moment there is no real way to say who is a macro,and who isent.And there is no real way to stop a macro even if you know they are one.The random blabber in chats tend to give them away tho... Coming with suggestions as to how to stop them is good obviusly,but dont snap at people who are trying to tell you why its a bad idea,or point out that its suggested before. Until someone can come up with a working idea the best thing you can do is keep petitioning them and hope that they will get banned before they create 5 new chars. Phoibe Enterprises
Morolen1 Mushroom Liberation Front	Posted - 2010.05.19 23:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Jo Ka Originally by: Morolen1 I like the "all belts in empire must be scanned down" idea. Though the "only allow visual targeting" idea might have legs as well. Trouble is why stop at scanning in just Empire and you might as well add moons and planets to that if you go that route. Or to extreme stations too. Then when you go into a new system you can either warp to a jump gate (unless you have to scan for that too) or on entering the system stop and scan at the jump gate you've just gone through. You would end up with loads of bookmarks. Scanning down the asteroid belts is pointless really as you would only have to scan once and bookmark it. Most miners will just mine in the system they are in as long as there is a station there. So it's best left alone, unless you want to scan everything down or look through hundreds of bookmarks. Ok you won't have to look through hundreds as you can see the system ones but you will end up with hundreds. no no no, much like "hidden" belts are, you probe them out and you mine in them until its empty or inactive for so long, that belt despawns and a new one spawns in system somewhere. Since i think probing isnt something bots are good at, though i am always impressed by the complexity of some bot programs and the creativity of the programmers. However there would be a few issues with this, namely mining barges would have to get another high slot to fit the probe launcher and the botters could still manually scan down the belt, but i think it wuld put a kink in their operations, maybe. ----- I'm a Caldari Nationalist, Fascist is Such an ugly word.
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.20 00:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Morolen1 Originally by: Jo Ka Originally by: Morolen1 I like the "all belts in empire must be scanned down" idea. Though the "only allow visual targeting" idea might have legs as well. Trouble is why stop at scanning in just Empire and you might as well add moons and planets to that if you go that route. Or to extreme stations too. Then when you go into a new system you can either warp to a jump gate (unless you have to scan for that too) or on entering the system stop and scan at the jump gate you've just gone through. You would end up with loads of bookmarks. Scanning down the asteroid belts is pointless really as you would only have to scan once and bookmark it. Most miners will just mine in the system they are in as long as there is a station there. So it's best left alone, unless you want to scan everything down or look through hundreds of bookmarks. Ok you won't have to look through hundreds as you can see the system ones but you will end up with hundreds. no no no, much like "hidden" belts are, you probe them out and you mine in them until its empty or inactive for so long, that belt despawns and a new one spawns in system somewhere. Since i think probing isnt something bots are good at, though i am always impressed by the complexity of some bot programs and the creativity of the programmers. However there would be a few issues with this, namely mining barges would have to get another high slot to fit the probe launcher and the botters could still manually scan down the belt, but i think it wuld put a kink in their operations, maybe. Ok, but I disagree it's better to have a mix, those belts that are known and those that you can find by their Gravemetric Signatures. Plus the known ones can still be useful for a spot of ratting. Having both types gives people more options. I think if you had to scan an asteroid belt down all the time it would eventually get a bit tedious. Not only that you would have to do the same with low-sec and 0.0. Otherwise how do you explain how come the most populated regions do not know where the asteroid belts are but low-sec and 0.0 do. Which is back to front really as high-sec would be the most explored region and therefore asteroid belts would have been charted.
KAF United ALT Forces	Posted - 2010.05.20 00:27:00 - [30] someone suggested a Report as Macro option button , which could be an option. This could then lead to a GM checking the subjects actions over previous 10-20-30 mins, then send him/her a warning that they have been detected and have a countdown to respond or they will be, a, declared wartarget to everyone, b, cloaking device disabled(decloaked),c stay in this state UNTIL they petition or reply. AS GM's would have their account info they would be able to send this message in account holders language so there would be NO MISTAKE and have to reply with information from their account. Also malicious reporters could then have similar sanctions placed on them after suitable warning to deter rampant reporting CEO

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