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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:21:00 -
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Following a discussion in General Section, I propose the following to curb the problem with macro mining.
How about introducing a "captcha" to the whole mining scheme. Consider it an on the spot mining license. Every (insert m3 level here) that is mined, a captcha license renewal appears on screen requiring human input in order to continue mining.
Options can include auto lock-down of mining lasers if not renewed, or (a more drastic approach) even Concord intervention if you decide to continue. This could include a fine or even standing loss or even BOOM!! You're on your way home in a pod for mining without a current license.
It will work! Please consider it.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:26:00 -
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you are trolling right?
there was the same proposal not even a day ago ...
and no ... captchas wouldnt solve the problem. captchas can be solved with just software already and you would annoy honest miner more than the macro miner.
*thumbs down*
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:28:00 -
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Best is to put this in when one of the (Strip) Miners is halfway through the cycle. This should give an actual human enough time to enter a Captcha, without any mining amount coming in to be interrupted. ________________________
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever you are trolling right?
there was the same proposal not even a day ago ...
and no ... captchas wouldnt solve the problem. captchas can be solved with just software already and you would annoy honest miner more than the macro miner.
*thumbs down*
Nope...no troll, and I just came up with this idea so I dont know of any other. It is seriously the only way to control the mining macro problem. Furthermore, captchas come in so many varieties that it is virtually impossible to continue to come up with anti-captcha software.
With a little ingenuity on CCP's part..this could work.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:52:00 -
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the real solution is a version of mining that cant be AFKed so easily ...
CCP promised comet mining would be exactly that. so instead of trying to nerf every poor soul that is doing mining out there ... think about a ways to make mining *interesting* instead of adding "annoying" to the "boring".
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:37:00 -
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I support this.
+1
Yes, I know, people are screaming left and right that, boo-hoo, the AFK-miners will suffer. But you know what? With PvP-ers always complaining how lv 4 mission runners get money for nothing and the chicks for free, I say, What's the deal with AFK-mining-making-ISK then?
Also, don't be so quick to dismiss this. Perhaps you can be a little less AFK than you were used to; but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that, with an effective CAPTCHA, all macro-mining would stop overnight, and regular miners would see a huge increase in income.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.19 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei with an effective CAPTCHA, all macro-mining would stop overnight, and regular miners would see a huge increase in income.
That's the key right there. I doubt miners would mind this "inconvenience" if they saw a jump in their income over it.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.19 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Ranka Mei with an effective CAPTCHA, all macro-mining would stop overnight, and regular miners would see a huge increase in income.
That's the key right there. I doubt miners would mind this "inconvenience" if they saw a jump in their income over it.
CAPTCHAs are cancer and you are a carcinogen. They are the worst method against macros ever to be thought up and you aren't even the first one to get to this silly idea. They are flow killers, immersion killers, gameplay killers. No game designer worth that job title will ever implement CAPTCHAs in a game. --------
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.19 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Ranka Mei with an effective CAPTCHA, all macro-mining would stop overnight, and regular miners would see a huge increase in income.
That's the key right there. I doubt miners would mind this "inconvenience" if they saw a jump in their income over it.
CAPTCHAs are cancer and you are a carcinogen. They are the worst method against macros ever to be thought up and you aren't even the first one to get to this silly idea. They are flow killers, immersion killers, gameplay killers. No game designer worth that job title will ever implement CAPTCHAs in a game.
I'm a carcinogen? What a clever boy you are.
Flow killer: How much flow do you need in mining? Seriously. Immersion Killer: Um...it's called a mining LICENSE. Issued by the authority controlling the region(s) where said belts exist. Game-play killer: Again, there is more action in Atari's Asteroids, then there is in EVE mining.
When miners start making serious isk, then we'll see who's crying.
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Tribalist
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:13:00 -
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Instead of a timed captcha, enable any pilot to "query" any miner.. miner gets a logical question generated by the system i.e. "how much ore do you have in your cargo hold now?" or "what type of ore are you mining now?" if the miner ignores or misanswers it he gets a GCC for 15 minutes.. To avoid abuse only allow the challenge every 30 minutes, that would stop griefers from constantly "bugging" miners.
Allows player to safely kill macro miners without Security Hit.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:24:00 -
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I want this too then It is easier to gank them while they are typing in that Captcha for the 10th time. Please add this ccp :)
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tribalist Instead of a timed captcha, enable any pilot to "query" any miner.. miner gets a logical question generated by the system i.e. "how much ore do you have in your cargo hold now?" or "what type of ore are you mining now?" if the miner ignores or misanswers it he gets a GCC for 15 minutes.. To avoid abuse only allow the challenge every 30 minutes, that would stop griefers from constantly "bugging" miners.
Allows player to safely kill macro miners without Security Hit.
Tribe
Ooh that is a fun idea for low sec (lol low sec miners) and 0.0 miners. Prevents them from running away just when you are trying to gank them, give them one of those questions and you can easily kill them without those pesky miners warping out.
Idea was terrible the previous 9001 times it was suggested, nothing changed, so it is still terrible.
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:46:00 -
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Either this captcha thing is very unfrequent or mining will be broken.
I would like something more EVEish.
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:20:00 -
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What a load of crap!
I semi-AFK mine all the time. Sit my Hulk in a belt, activate the strip miners and check back 15 minutes later, when my cargo is full, at which point I dock up, drop off ore, undock and repeat. Before you say: 'oh, you're doing it wrong!', it's just the same as a mission runner in a Domi warping into a site, taking all aggro, then releasing the drones and then returning 30 minutes later to find the mission or room cleared.
So what would happen to me? I lock a 'roid, activate lasers, continue working on my essay or tidying my room or revising or whatever, only to return to my screen 15 minutes later to find my Hulk reduced to a wreck because some stupid system thinks I'm a macro?
Please. When you suggest ideas, think about the repercussions. Think about instances where innocent people will be penalised. Use that thing between your ears and behind your eyes. Or, check out EVE Search. One image per signature please. Zymurgist |
Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.05.19 19:02:00 -
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No captchas. I'm mining here, nor logging into a bank website.
Make mining an active profession. Make it MORE profitable. Make it exciting, make it skill based. How? I have no idea. That's what the genious game programers at CCP are getting our $15 each month to figure it out.
Making it active and fun (and profitable at the same time), will get rid of macroers. AFKers too, but tough luck. The game is here to be played, not to be left running alone.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.05.19 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: DuKackBoon on 19/05/2010 20:23:51 Edited by: DuKackBoon on 19/05/2010 20:21:45
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
I'm a carcinogen? What a clever boy you are.
When miners start making serious isk, then we'll see who's crying.
Yes you are, and no, captchas solve no problem only make more.
Also, macros can solve captchas faster than a miner -> miner makes less isk, macro makes more isk.
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Ganagati
Caldari Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:03:00 -
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Just because this is the 4th time this week a captcha from mining has come up does not suddenly make it anywhere near the resemblance of good a idea. We like having miners.
ON the other hand- I like the idea of more easily gankable miners as they struggle to retype for the 10th time the ridiculous captcha or be forced to move. They'll be so intent on it I could ride right up their *** before they'll know I'm there.
In other words, this is NOT a suggestion to get rid of macro miners but it IS a suggestion to make the lives of miners harder and make my job of ganking them much easier.
My stance has changed. +1
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:46:00 -
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Man, what a bunch of cry-babies.
I dont want my mining experience ruined with a captcha...WHAAAAAAAAA!!!
A captch doesnt have to be hard for you to read and type in...just hard for a bot to read. That's where ingenuity comes in.
As for those who brought up "ganking." How long does it take you to type in a few letters and numbers. Seriously.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:54:00 -
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depends on how badly the captcha is readable.
for some sites i need 2-3 runs to decypher what letters they have deformed there.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.05.19 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: DuKackBoon on 19/05/2010 22:09:57
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Man, what a bunch of cry-babies.
I dont want my mining experience ruined with a captcha...WHAAAAAAAAA!!!
FYI: I've not mined for half a year, only did it with friends to help them a bit, or with the corp. I preffer to blow miners up.
Edit: -1/10 for brining up the same garbage for the 10000000th time.
Also I could say the cry-baby thing about you too "Buaahhhh! Evil macros ruining mah profets!!!"
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Aurora Keller
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Posted - 2010.05.20 00:43:00 -
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Not a bad idea except for the fact yeah honest miners would get annoyed. But considering the trends of macro miners, you can usually report them easily...
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.05.20 02:50:00 -
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Utterly stupid proposal from an utterly stupid troll.
Some miners engage in other activities while also mining and don't need a stupid box popping up asking to prove they are active.
This nonsense extends to mission runners who are equally likely to be running a macro. In fact the key aspects of ANY form of PVE can be run from a macro so you would have to introduce this for all PVE.
If you had spent more than 2 seconds before posting this crap you would realise this; but then you are just an idiotic troll so carry on shiptoasting. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2010.05.20 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Utterly stupid proposal from an utterly stupid troll.
Dont talk that way about your mother Spanky. Now be a good lad and run along. Leave the discussion up to the grown ups.
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Amaurotique
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Posted - 2010.05.20 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Lady Spank Utterly stupid proposal from an utterly stupid troll.
Dont talk that way about your mother Spanky. Now be a good lad and run along. Leave the discussion up to the grown ups.
Oh look, the troll alt came out to play.
Fine, while we are at it mission runners and 0.0 ratters should be required to do captcha. If you don't believe me, go look around- you'll find plenty of ratting bots.
In fact, you are right. This entire game is full of "cry babies" and macroers. It's decided: we'll captcha EVERYTHING in the game just to be sure that every player is not a macroer.
It's only fair, right? :)
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.20 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amaurotique
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Lady Spank Utterly stupid proposal from an utterly stupid troll.
Dont talk that way about your mother Spanky. Now be a good lad and run along. Leave the discussion up to the grown ups.
Oh look, the troll alt came out to play.
Fine, while we are at it mission runners and 0.0 ratters should be required to do captcha. If you don't believe me, go look around- you'll find plenty of ratting bots.
In fact, you are right. This entire game is full of "cry babies" and macroers. It's decided: we'll captcha EVERYTHING in the game just to be sure that every player is not a macroer.
It's only fair, right? :)
what is this obsession with everything being "fair?"
Eve makes use of passwords for various things...why would a little typing during mining be any different?
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.05.20 08:24:00 -
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I Ice mine to keep my pos running but I'm extremely inefficient at it cos' I do it when I'm doing other things around the house, sometimes my mack just sits at the ice rock because it has finished and I may be at the shops or something, it may stay there for an hour or so or at least till I come back to the computer and send it to the station to unload.
So If these ridiculous things are employed for miners, they also need to be used for mission runners and ratting also, how many times have you heard about the afk mission runner and the macro ratter.
What is suggested here is something that will totally screw up my inefficient ice mining method, I'm sorry but I do not want to sit at my screen and answer ****** questions while Ice mining, some people have jumped on this bandwagon to try and get cheap kills.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.20 09:27:00 -
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I'm still with ya, Nooma. :) Although you seem to have engendered an incredible amount of aggro, it would seem. Not sure exactly why, tbh. You're still tanking the room, though; so good on you!
There's many ways to do a CAPTCHA. Recognizing a half-way garbled word, or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
Fact is, any intelligent human challenging system (but which is not too annoying) would make all macro-mining go away overnight. May not be a 100% ideal solution; and it may, God forbid, require a minimal amount of cooperation and effort from the existing, legit mining community. I would think that would be worth it. Clearly others see that differently. --
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Ganagati
Caldari Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.05.20 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
That would also do a great job of getting rid of those pesky deaf people who think they deserve to play this game and mine. Gah, the nerve! /sarcasm
In before "Eve has sound?"
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.20 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
You are vaguely aware that the letters of the alphabet aren't equal and don't sound equal in the different languages?
CCCP is read SSSR in Cyrillic, C in Italian sound like K in German and so on.
Worst suggestion so far in another bad thread about captcha.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.20 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 20/05/2010 11:17:42
Originally by: Ranka Mei I'm still with ya, Nooma. :) Although you seem to have engendered an incredible amount of aggro, it would seem. Not sure exactly why, tbh. You're still tanking the room, though; so good on you!
There's many ways to do a CAPTCHA. Recognizing a half-way garbled word, or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
Fact is, any intelligent human challenging system (but which is not too annoying) would make all macro-mining go away overnight. May not be a 100% ideal solution; and it may, God forbid, require a minimal amount of cooperation and effort from the existing, legit mining community. I would think that would be worth it. Clearly others see that differently.
Thank you...I appreciate the support.
I suspect that everyone has had bad experiences with captchas. Well here is an example of one that is easy for humans to read, but hard for the bots:
example of animated captcha
It is animated and the letters don't appear on every frame of the gif. Plus the background noise plays hell with bots.
CCP can make a better job of this obviously with some effort, but the principle is the same.
You know, whenever I post about auto-warp-to-zero topics, people jump on me for playing eve AFK. Obviously EVE was not meant to be played that way. But now I'm hearing how it will disrupt everyone's AFK activities if this is implemented.
Again, the idea is simple: you have license to mine X amount from a belt. It may vary from belt to belt. You may make 2 or three station drops before you reach this amount depending on your ship (I'll leave those details up to CCP). When you reach your limit guns turn off and you must renew your mining license by entering a captcha in order to continue mining. Simple.
The disruption will slow down the bot macro miners if not stop them altogether.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.05.20 13:09:00 -
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You still do not get it: Macros CAN and WILL break captchas faster than any human.
Adding captchas to mining is a _BOOST_ for macros.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.05.20 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
I Ice mine to keep my pos running but I'm extremely inefficient at it cos' I do it when I'm doing other things around the house, sometimes my mack just sits at the ice rock because it has finished and I may be at the shops or something, it may stay there for an hour or so or at least till I come back to the computer and send it to the station to unload.
So If these ridiculous things are employed for miners, they also need to be used for mission runners and ratting also, how many times have you heard about the afk mission runner and the macro ratter.
What is suggested here is something that will totally screw up my inefficient ice mining method, I'm sorry but I do not want to sit at my screen and answer ****** questions while Ice mining, some people have jumped on this bandwagon to try and get cheap kills.
Hi Debbie, this is a great example of why mining is flawed. And so easy to macro and all. Perfect, perfect example.
No catch phrases are necessary. Mining simply needs to be changed to an active profession, but also very profitable. Mining is so boring and mindless that people can set the miners, and go do other stuff. That is not good design for the game. The game should have an active mining, but that is also very fast by default.
Miners should be able to actively mine for 30 mins or so, and get the same materials they get for AFK mining 4hrs or so. That way, miners are saved from the AWFUL MECHANIC OF LEAVING THEIR COMPUTER THERE AND COMING TO CHECK ON IT EVERY 4 MINS OR SO. That is not a game. That is a job, a chore.
Make it active, skill based, and MUCH more effective than the current complete snooze fest it is. That will get rid of macroers, make it a good profession, and make the game more fun for all. More time to do other stuff than just babysit a computer.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ranka Mei or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
You are vaguely aware that the letters of the alphabet aren't equal and don't sound equal in the different languages?
CCCP is read SSSR in Cyrillic, C in Italian sound like K in German and so on.
Worst suggestion so far in another bad thread about captcha.
And you are vaguely aware that English is the official EVE language, right? Or are you one of those daft people who comes in help-channel ever so ofen to paste something silly in Cyrillic? ... You are, are ya? :)
Originally by: Ganagati That would also do a great job of getting rid of those pesky deaf people who think they deserve to play this game and mine. Gah, the nerve! /sarcasm
EVE gives the blind an unfair disadvantage too. Off with their heads! [/sarcasm] --
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Ganagati
Caldari Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.05.20 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Party Scout No catch phrases are necessary. Mining simply needs to be changed to an active profession, but also very profitable.
And you've hit why CCP hasn't done it yet. Mining is a profession they want to see people do. It is NOT even close to the most profitable. It's not even close to averagely profitable. But folks do it cause it is easy and requires little effort. Manipulating the market to make it more profitable seems to be a more difficult concept than in most games, so as it stands I don't see them working with that.
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ranka Mei or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
You are vaguely aware that the letters of the alphabet aren't equal and don't sound equal in the different languages?
CCCP is read SSSR in Cyrillic, C in Italian sound like K in German and so on.
Worst suggestion so far in another bad thread about captcha.
And you are vaguely aware that English is the official EVE language, right? Or are you one of those daft people who comes in help-channel ever so ofen to paste something silly in Cyrillic? ... You are, are ya? :)
Originally by: Ganagati That would also do a great job of getting rid of those pesky deaf people who think they deserve to play this game and mine. Gah, the nerve! /sarcasm
EVE gives the blind an unfair disadvantage too. Off with their heads! [/sarcasm]
So, basically you are saying that anyone who doesn't speak English should be removed from the game (or at least barred from mining. Yay segregation!) and counter the argument of it alienating deaf players by basically saying that its ok since another disabled group of people can't enjoy the game?
So... how's that xenophobia/bigotry thing workin out for ya, anyhow?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.20 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ganagati So, basically you are saying that anyone who doesn't speak English should be removed from the game (or at least barred from mining. Yay segregation!)
No. I'm saying English is the official EVE language. Anyone who doesn't know English has a severe handicap playing EVE, regardless of mining.
Quote: ... and counter the argument of it alienating deaf players by basically saying that its ok since another disabled group of people can't enjoy the game?
No. I'm saying a blind person has a severe handicap playing EVE, regardless of mining.
It's kinda silly to throw "But what about the blind!?" in someone's face when a suggestion is being made to do something visual. Like it's silly to object to an auditive addition, just because deaf people exist. And if I were to suggest people need to type in a word, you'd probably scream red because some people can't use a keyboard. Those kind of alleged 'xenophobia/bigotry' arguments are pointless. --
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Ganagati
Caldari Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.05.20 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Ganagati So, basically you are saying that anyone who doesn't speak English should be removed from the game (or at least barred from mining. Yay segregation!)
No. I'm saying English is the official EVE language. Anyone who doesn't know English has a severe handicap playing EVE, regardless of mining.
Quote: ... and counter the argument of it alienating deaf players by basically saying that its ok since another disabled group of people can't enjoy the game?
No. I'm saying a blind person has a severe handicap playing EVE, regardless of mining.
It's kinda silly to throw "But what about the blind!?" in someone's face when a suggestion is being made to do something visual. Like it's silly to object to an auditive addition, just because deaf people exist. And if I were to suggest people need to type in a word, you'd probably scream red because some people can't use a keyboard. Those kind of alleged 'xenophobia/bigotry' arguments are pointless.
In all seriousness, what WOULD you intend to tell the deaf folks who enjoy playing this game and mining? "Sorry, but we made a captcha that's audio enabled to get rid of people like you." You are suggesting that NO disabled people should be taken into account and that is foolish. Certain parts of the game are necessary (use of keyboard- ability to see the screen), but certain parts currently NOT necessary. This suggestion is talking about adding into the game something that removes current players with hearing problems from the game, not to mention players who can't get their sound to work.
As for English speaking players: you won't win that. I don't even have to argue it. Whatever xenophobic issues you have or belief that the whole world should speak English, CCP would never alienate potential and current customers by making it near impossible for any non-english speaking player to enjoy mining, so that's just a fail right there.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.20 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ranka Mei on 20/05/2010 23:32:40
Originally by: Ganagati In all seriousness, what WOULD you intend to tell the deaf folks who enjoy playing this game and mining? "Sorry, but we made a captcha that's audio enabled to get rid of people like you." You are suggesting that NO disabled people should be taken into account and that is foolish.
No. I'm suggesting you shouldn't lose yourself in the details. Like there's usually an alternative offered for visual CAPTCHa's, the same could be done for auditive ones. So the deaf might actually have to type a word.
Like I said, though, don't stare yourself blind (pardon the pun) on the minutia of a proposal. Currently there's a proposal on the table for a human challenging system for mining. Usually that entails a CAPTCHA in the form of some mangled letters + numbers. I don't think the OP had it cast in stone, though, that it should be exactly that. Could be auditive; or perhaps something else.
Question simply is, do you like the idea of some response challenging system? I do, because I think it will effectively stop macro-mining dead in its tracks. So I voted for the proposal. The precise details can always be worked out later.
As for English, I don't need to 'win' any argument, LOL. English simply is the de facto language of EVE. Sure, there's some foreign help channels, but in-game messages are simply in English; and good luck reading those mod-sheets if you don't speak English. And I'm sure you'll accuse me again of bigotry towards non-English speaking folks. But you know what? They're tough out of luck! :) English is simply a mental prerequisite to playing EVE. Consider it an IQ-threshold. --
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.05.20 23:53:00 -
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I still think a catch phrase does not fit with EVE, and even less with mining. That makes no sense. Also, it does not fix the underlying problems:
Mining is boring Mining is repetitive Mining can be macroed/automated Mining is a low-profit profession
A catch phrase adds nothing to the game, and fixes none of the issues. It makes it harder for macroers, sure, but it also makes it a pain for the majority of the gamers that do play the game properly. I do not think it is a good solution.
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Venkul Mul
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ranka Mei or auditive CAPTCH's perhaps; like the EVE client reading outloud a letter from the alphabet (mixed in with the underlying game-sound) every once in a while, which letter the miner then has to press on his keyboard. I mean, if miners are literally too lazy to lift a finger...
You are vaguely aware that the letters of the alphabet aren't equal and don't sound equal in the different languages?
CCCP is read SSSR in Cyrillic, C in Italian sound like K in German and so on.
Worst suggestion so far in another bad thread about captcha.
And you are vaguely aware that English is the official EVE language, right? Or are you one of those daft people who comes in help-channel ever so ofen to paste something silly in Cyrillic? ... You are, are ya? :)
Originally by: Ganagati That would also do a great job of getting rid of those pesky deaf people who think they deserve to play this game and mine. Gah, the nerve! /sarcasm
EVE gives the blind an unfair disadvantage too. Off with their heads! [/sarcasm]
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