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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:54:00 -
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Pick something to do. Log on. Do it. Log off.
There's casual play for you.
Activities that I consider to be particularly casual-friendly are:
Hopefully this gives you some inspiration
Note: with RvB, you can train up a PvP alt to fly a particular frigate very well. On your money-making alt, you simply farm up the ISK to keep the account going, and keep the PvP alt supplied with frigates fitted a particular way. You might even explore manufacturing the frigates and T1 modules, selling the supplies in the RvB home systems, and gradually expanding your trade and manufacturing base.
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SilentSkills
Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:00:00 -
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Simetraz wrote: Have fun, nobody can tell you what you can and can't do in this game. It is all about what you are willing to do, and how much patience you have. Easy goals tend to bore people quickly. And you have nothing but time to burn
This is the best piece of advice I've seen in the forums in a while. |
T' Elk
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:01:00 -
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Notsureifserious.jpg <3 Zymurgist Thread locked for no content.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:02:00 -
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Quote:It is possible to make 400 million in an evening
Quote:All isk i made went into BPOS and had 20 slots on alts skilling them all the time.
i made Cap ships, battleships all types of missiles, cruisers.
30 slots building all of the time.
most of my wealth was in trading where i made a fortune very very quickly.
On top of that i was missioning all of the time in the best mission ship in the game (better than everything. i use faction ammo crystals no one else can do that without it being very very expensive)
I think Hung Lika must have missed the bit where you said you ran 20+ alts and 6 POS's. Come to think of it, so did I.
But.. cough cough.
As for your "super" mission ship. Mmmm. k. Most misioners run faction ammo and/or T2.
For the record, my alts run a maxed Tengu, with Claymore support/DPS and a Noctis. I triple run L4's and make about 100m without loot/LP's per day. With LP's and loot/salvage, might make close to 200m per day.
Sale of items with an average of 10% profit (if you're lucky) you would need to sell 2b per day to make the other 200m. Given that you're running missions all day, you're buying all your minerals for production. Yes?
And since most stuff on market is below cost because players do not figure in mining TIME as a cost, you won't even make 10% markup on market.
I run 21 alts in total on 7 chars, all fully engaged. Only when my 30 day+ copy cycles rotate I might push 400m per day and even then, the cost alone to run the POS's for the BPO's pulls most of this profit back very, very quickly.
Thus, making anywhere near 400m profit/day consistently in high-sec is really stretching it imho. Might be your turnover. A totally different number.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: I did the CEO thing and yeah I totally sympathise with you. Man, there's nothing like getting home after a long day at work and then having 3 hours of admin and ballache to deal with before you even get to undock.
You actually got to undock?
The Apostle wrote:
Thus, making anywhere near 400m profit/day consistently in high-sec is really stretching it imho. Might be your turnover. A totally different number.
There is away to make that much in one day in high-sec. It also doesn't involve POSs, missions, or even the need to undock. However it does require a hefty initial sum of isk. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:54:00 -
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Quote:There is away to make that much in one day in high-sec. It also doesn't involve POSs, missions, or even the need to undock. However it does require a hefty initial sum of isk.
Send mail.
In return I'll give you 5 "Hail Mary" get out of Jail free cards, 9 cookies, 4 ponies and a donut. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:02:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:It is possible to make 400 million in an evening Quote:All isk i made went into BPOS and had 20 slots on alts skilling them all the time.
i made Cap ships, battleships all types of missiles, cruisers.
30 slots building all of the time.
most of my wealth was in trading where i made a fortune very very quickly.
On top of that i was missioning all of the time in the best mission ship in the game (better than everything. i use faction ammo crystals no one else can do that without it being very very expensive) I think Hung Lika must have missed the bit where you said you ran 20+ alts and 6 POS's. Come to think of it, so did I. But.. cough cough. As for your "super" mission ship. Mmmm. k. Most misioners run faction ammo and/or T2. For the record, my alts run a maxed Tengu, with Claymore support/DPS and a Noctis. I triple run L4's and make about 100m without loot/LP's per day. With LP's and loot/salvage, might make close to 200m per day. Sale of items with an average of 10% profit (if you're lucky) you would need to sell 2b per day to make the other 200m. Given that you're running missions all day, you're buying all your minerals for production. Yes? And since most stuff on market is below cost because players do not figure in mining TIME as a cost, you won't even make 10% markup on market. I run 21 alts in total on 7 chars, all fully engaged. Only when my 30 day+ copy cycles rotate I might push 400m per day and even then, the cost alone to run the POS's for the BPO's pulls most of this profit back very, very quickly. Thus, making anywhere near 400m profit/day consistently in high-sec is really stretching it imho. Might be your turnover. A totally different number.
Couple of things to add to this
1. I never owned my own POS. i was lucky enough to use other peoples POSes for free which kept the price down significantly.
2. When you mission there are only a few items that give ovef 1000 isk per LP but there are some that give you 3000 isk per LP
3. Making isk on the markets is very easy as most people dont know how a market works and how local variance bubbles work. Also i ground out standings for the major hubs so i could refine there. There are people who make killings on the market far more than me. one i did was when the price of price or minerals went through the roof over the course of a few days and stayed there i sat on the computer for 12 hours just buying and recyling and reselling. Made a sweet fortune. When cap components hit a certain price on the buy orders i bought a lot of cap ships recyled them and sold to the buy orders. the list is endless. I once got word that someone was attempting to corner the market on a certain product and i was waiting in station with a provi loaded with the stuff.
4. But 400 million is only 10 hours of missioning at 40 million an hour. i dont salvage i just burn through missions and the 40 million is (bounties + LP)-LP item costs. its not overly hard. i got to the point where i was scanning down crap in lowsec for no isk as something else to do.
5. i know a professional trader in this game in nullsec who cornered the market on a product using nullsec alliance isk and made 30 billion. The capital he used was the kind of isk only found in a nullsec alliance. Aparently he has a very nice Officer fit Nyx.
Lastly i stopped playing when i did not leave station for an entire week as i had so much stuff to deal with.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:34:00 -
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Long John Silver wrote:Setting off eight large smartbombs in a T1 battleship in hi-sec is something everyone should experience at least once! When their sec status becomes a problem, biomass them and start over. Disposable characters are fun... especially if you have reached a cash rich state with your main and have isk to spare... you have absolutely nothing to lose!
I would recommend against boasting about exploiting and advising others to do the same.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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pipvac
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:38:00 -
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There are plenty of good suggestions here, many of which I had to consider myself as real life became more complex and demanding.
Ultimately the issue was mine. It did not matter what I did, I always got frustrated by the fact that is I had "a little more time" I could do something more productive, or join in with my corp mates on some pvp jaunt somewhere. It was this frustration together with CCP's ineptitude which lead to me cancelling all but this account. And this account is here to remain in contact with Eve friends.
I hope you have better success than I did in making the transition from full blown Eve junky, to casual gamer.
All the best. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:39:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:There is away to make that much in one day in high-sec. It also doesn't involve POSs, missions, or even the need to undock. However it does require a hefty initial sum of isk. Send mail. In return I'll give you 5 "Hail Mary" get out of Jail free cards, 9 cookies, 4 ponies and a donut.
Its not a super secret. Its just margin trading. Sit a market alt in Jita and buy low and sell high. With 10-15b initial you should have enough to make 400m/day, but it all depends on how frequent you are at updating and what items/margin you choose.
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Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:48:00 -
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My tip:
get yourselfe a medium death star, go to W-space, set up the POS, kill sleepers do some pvp.
Best would be an C2 or C3 if you have good good skills and you know what youre doing.
Things you need: - Faction Tower with Faction Mods. - Alt with Scanning skills (never bring this one out of the hole) - Main with Scanning skills - About 2 days to set yourselfe up, - about 2 months to find a fitting hole.
Do PI on 2 Characters, so you can cut off nearly the half of POS fuel (cooland, oxygen, Mechanical Parts)
Benefits: - Casual gameplay possible - Not much effort - enough ISK
Risks: - hostile space ALWAYS - Beware of tower gankers - Directional scanner will become your best friend - You will become paranoid after some time ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Eyup Mi'duck
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.23 10:44:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Long John Silver wrote:Setting off eight large smartbombs in a T1 battleship in hi-sec is something everyone should experience at least once! When their sec status becomes a problem, biomass them and start over. Disposable characters are fun... especially if you have reached a cash rich state with your main and have isk to spare... you have absolutely nothing to lose! I would recommend against boasting about exploiting and advising others to do the same.
Is that an exploit? The guy spent time investing skills in the character then chose a pirating lifestyle for that toon. What's the problem in that? You do bad things in EVE, you pay the consequences and suffer them. In this scenario, he has to start over again and train up another toon costing him time and isk. So I don't see why you think that's an exploit.
A lot of people recycle toons regularly. It's why we have the biomass facility. I am me.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á I am not you.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áI am happy with this situation. |
Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.09.23 11:05:00 -
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Simetraz wrote: Mining exploration pirating PI Trading traveling incursions redvsblue research mission running chatting in local spamming in local
ship spinning corpse collecting ganking spying
Fixed that list for you. |
Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 11:12:00 -
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hehe if you want to play casual and have some fun you should join 9mm ..
send me an ingame message and well have a chat. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.23 16:06:00 -
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Cpt Greagor wrote:Simetraz wrote: Mining exploration pirating PI Trading traveling incursions redvsblue research mission running chatting in local spamming in local
ship spinning corpse collecting ganking spying
Fixed that list for you.
You forgot Ninja Salvaging.
TRUE ninja salvaging is really fun. It's when the missioner comes back to the mission room in their salvage ship, and everything is gone. Much harder to pull off though, but can be quite intense being the mouse stealing the cheese.
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AFKCloaked AltSpy
MasterMined Technologies
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:19:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:There was a time in this game that i was a super CEO trying and never off this game. It got to the point where i considered putting a ad in the papers asking if there were any childless couples with a basement that they did not use.
Along time ago i asked for advice on this forum about being a CEO and one person wrote "put a gun to your head now" and that is the advice i will give to anyone who wants to be a CEO. i once had 16 private convoes come up before the screen had even loaded (ye gods)
Anyway i got burned out and stopped playing.
Question. Is it possible to play this game casually. i mission in a 5/5 Tach nightmare and can make a plex in a day if i work hard. it has the second highest DPS of any Battleship and is the best mission ship in the game just melts everything (ETF warriors before you get upset and feel the need to post raw data the Nightmare has such a good tracking system that most of its hits are "well aimed" and "excellent". This is not shown on ETF. For everyone one else i fly a gank/tracking nightmare 4 heat sinks and 2 tracking mods in the mids. )
What else can i do when i only want to play sometimes for a few hours a week at times. PVP in lowsec is Gaylente and ive not tried nullsec. is it possible with a one man set up and an unskilled scout ?
I can fly amarr/caldari boats and ill be moving onto minmatar in the next week and after i completed that i will have trained ever faction in the game.
Any advice will be needed but i need an EVE online experience with no responsibility at all. my days as a CEO/diplomat are well and truly over.
If the NM is the best mission ship, my 800 dps mach (like maybe 875 with light drones) is able to pull 50-100 mil an hour in hisec. It costs 12-13 mil a day to buy a PLEX. So you should only have to play an hour a day every few days to keep up with PLEX payments and still have enough isk to buy hookers, spacecoke, and new ships.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:52:00 -
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If the NM is the best mission ship, my 800 dps mach (like maybe 875 with light drones) is able to pull 50-100 mil an hour in hisec. It costs 12-13 mil a day to buy a PLEX. So you should only have to play an hour a day every few days to keep up with PLEX payments and still have enough isk to buy hookers, spacecoke, and new ships. [/quote]
There is no denying that ther Mach is a first class ship and the other great mission ship in this game.
This is what ETF will never tell you
1. The nightmare uses multis out to 50k fall off to 100k. All the Machs damage is in the fall off.
The damage differential is substantial
2. The Nightmare has a 25% tracking bonus most of its hits are in the well aimed or Excellent.
3. The Nightmare uses Imperial Crystals with its Tachs. If the Mach uses Faction Ammo it gets very expensive very quickly.
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