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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 16:18:00 -
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do we have a definite answer?
possible? confirmed?
if anyone you know has done this, i'd like it confirmed and put to rest for good. seen this question come up tons of times with no concrete evidence in either direction.
CAN A SUPERCARRIER ENTER A WH?
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Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.22 16:34:00 -
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Yes. There are plenty of wormholes having a max jumpable mass greater than the mass of the heaviest supercarrier.
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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 17:23:58 EDIT: i'm looking for confirmation, ideally with proof, rather than theorycrafting.
yes, i too can read numbers off of a spreadsheet
question being, is that part of the spreadsheet correct, or is it incorrect like the total mass number? (never adds up to the listed amount, with or without calculating mods seperately)
ccp please fix mass of ships displayed in show info btw...
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Shosei Weitang
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Posted - 2010.05.22 18:41:00 -
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Quote: do we have a definite answer?
From the Wiki: Capital ships with jump drives can go through wormholes, provided that the wormhole can support the mass of the ship. Cynosural fields, however, cannot be opened in uncharted space, nor can ships with jump drives lock on to cynosural fields outside of wormhole space to jump out. Supercapital ships, such as Titans and Motherships, cannot go through wormholes as they are far too large to get through even the largest wormholes. Capital ships with jump drives that normally cannot go to high security space cannot enter wormholes which lead to high security systems. For example, an Archon Carrier cannot enter systems with a security status of 1.0 to 0.5. They cannot jump from w-space to these systems via a wormhole, either.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.22 18:48:00 -
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Smallest Mom is 1,409 mil kg. Largest mass that can go through a wormhole is 1,350 mil kg. You can't build Moms in w-space because it requires sovereignty. You can't take sovereignty in w-space.
No, a supercarrier cannot enter through a wormhole beit to w-space or k-space.
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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 18:53:28 you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect?
Linkage
edit: more specifically, this gate for example (wasnt included in early sisi dumps where many sites got original data from)
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.05.22 19:31:00 -
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span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/05/2010 19:31:55 /i /span br span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/05/2010 19:31:34 /i /span br br BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i madamtrader /i hr height=1 noshade br you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect? br br a href= http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelist.asp target= _blank Linkage /a br br edit: more specifically, a href= http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelistview.asp?key=Wormhole U319 target= _blank http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelistview.asp?key=Wormhole U319 /a this gate for example (wasnt included in early sisi dumps where many sites got original data from)
http://www.eve-metrics.com/wormholes/U319
Ship Type Can Jump Max Trips Before Collapse Carriers No None
Also please note the Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 18:53:28 you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect?
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edit: more specifically, http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelistview.asp?key=Wormhole U319this gatehttp://www.eve-metrics.com/wormholes/U319
Ship Type Can Jump Max Trips Before Collapse Carriers No None
Its also worth noting that the max single jump mass is pretty low...
-Liang
Ed: Formatting, and I don't know how to fix it. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 19:37:00 -
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laughable data at best...
carrier cant jump but a dread can?
its probably rolling off of old data / incorrect data / somebody else's data.
example: same site, H296 gate says carriers are a no-go. a) have personally put multiple carrier through this gate. b) have personally put multiple dread through this gate. its statistics are wrong. =(
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.22 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 18:53:28 you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect?
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edit: more specifically, this gate for example (wasnt included in early sisi dumps where many sites got original data from)
1.8bil kg mass? I suppose it's possible which would make my claim that 1.35bil kg mass is the max technically wrong. I would then assume that U319 wormholes only spawn within wormhole space, and since you can't get a supercap through the largest wormholes than spawn in k-space then the 1.8bil may aswell be 1.35bil because supercaps can't get to those wormholes.
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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 18:53:28 you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect?
Linkage
edit: more specifically, this gate for example (wasnt included in early sisi dumps where many sites got original data from)
1.8bil kg mass? I suppose it's possible which would make my claim that 1.35bil kg mass is the max technically wrong. I would then assume that U319 wormholes only spawn within wormhole space, and since you can't get a supercap through the largest wormholes than spawn in k-space then the 1.8bil may aswell be 1.35bil because supercaps can't get to those wormholes.
very well then, what of N290, or K329, C391 and C248?
surely one of those will lead k-space <> w-space... (seen K329 as a k <> w connector before with my own two)
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.22 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: madamtrader
Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 18:53:28 you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect?
Linkage
edit: more specifically, this gate for example (wasnt included in early sisi dumps where many sites got original data from)
1.8bil kg mass? I suppose it's possible which would make my claim that 1.35bil kg mass is the max technically wrong. I would then assume that U319 wormholes only spawn within wormhole space, and since you can't get a supercap through the largest wormholes than spawn in k-space then the 1.8bil may aswell be 1.35bil because supercaps can't get to those wormholes.
very well then, what of N290, or K329, C391 and C248?
surely one of those will lead k-space <> w-space... (seen K329 as a k <> w connector before with my own two)
In that case either the information they have is wrong or the reason why i think supercaps can't enter wormholes is wrong (something other than them having too much mass). I suspect the former.
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.05.22 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
http://www.eve-metrics.com/wormholes/U319
code Ship Type Can Jump Max Trips Before Collapse Carriers No None /code
Also please note the Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 18:53:28 you would conclude then that this popularly referenced data would be incorrect?
Linkage
edit: more specifically, http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelistview.asp?key=Wormhole U319this gatehttp://www.eve-metrics.com/wormholes/U319
code Ship Type Can Jump Max Trips Before Collapse Carriers No None /code
Its also worth noting that the max single jump mass is pretty low...
-Liang
Ed: Formatting, and I don't know how to fix it. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Salvaged what I could out of Liang Nuren's post. It had to be removed because something in it was breaking the forums. - Adida
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.22 20:02:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/wormholes
better link.
Shows that all 1.8bil kg mass wormholes lead to k-space (class 8 and 9 being low and null sec.) So there's nothing in the wh mass limits saying they can't use those wormholes. Now i see why you want it confirmed that they can use these wormholes.
Still, they can't enter wormhole space :)
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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Salvaged what I could out of Liang Nuren's post. It had to be removed because something in it was breaking the forums. - Adida
rgr, glad we could help, but shame you arent able to comment on the matter, as you likely are one of the few who hold the real answer to our queries.
on the topic of incorrect data: 1.8bkg gates are widely respected as (at the very least) existing. it has been theorycraft for this reason since the release of that data supercarriers should be able to enter a wh.
with no solid proof, i posted the OP, so ty for helping me get back to square one after having to convince you that a 1.8bkg gate exists.
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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 20:10:20
Originally by: ChaeDoc II http://evemaps.dotlan.net/wormholes
better link.
Shows that all 1.8bil kg mass wormholes lead to k-space (class 8 and 9 being low and null sec.) So there's nothing in the wh mass limits saying they can't use those wormholes. Now i see why you want it confirmed that they can use these wormholes.
Still, they can't enter wormhole space :)
again as in our other debate thread i would render that arguement nonsensical unless you can provide some reason for your thinking other than plain old stubborn ideas.
would be *really* nice if this thread stayed pg 1 until somebody from ccp gave us an answer or some lonely nyx pilot decides to try that N290
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.22 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 20:10:20
Originally by: ChaeDoc II http://evemaps.dotlan.net/wormholes
better link.
Shows that all 1.8bil kg mass wormholes lead to k-space (class 8 and 9 being low and null sec.) So there's nothing in the wh mass limits saying they can't use those wormholes. Now i see why you want it confirmed that they can use these wormholes.
Still, they can't enter wormhole space :)
again as in our other debate thread i would render that arguement nonsensical unless you can provide some reason for your thinking other than plain old stubborn ideas.
would be *really* nice if this thread stayed pg 1 until somebody from ccp gave us an answer or some lonely nyx pilot decides to try that N290
You claim you can render my arguement "nonsensical" (despite me not argueing anything) and then refuse to do so.
You're not very good at "discussing stuff" are you?
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madamtrader
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Posted - 2010.05.22 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II (despite me not argueing anything) Still, they can't enter wormhole space :)
do you see the inconsistencies too?
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H3llHound
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:32:00 -
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You are also forgetting CCP has put limitations on WHs for certain shiptypes meaning even if they could jump through based on their mass they simply cant because its not allowed. I guess CCP did something like that for SC and Titans. Recruiting │My 3rd Party Service |
Aliraxi
Gallente Cow Boys From HeII The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.05.23 15:15:00 -
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They can't enter, regardless of mass. They can't enter, can't be built. I have several friends in major nullsec alliances who like trying to break things and several of them have tried and failed. Even when given one of the wormholes with 1.8b max mass. From what they figure its similar to the restrictions on mission gates, where only certain classes - even if size would fit, are allowed.
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