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Lightmans
Caldari Mia Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lightmans on 25/05/2010 20:36:34 1.is this known? 2.what can we do against that?
cargo ships are not more safe to travel with autopilot in high sec!!!
3.why we call it then high sec? -> i thought ccp solved the problem with -> (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_gank) Quote: Suicide ganking was a popular strategy until recently, both with GoonSwarm's JihadSwarm campaign and with several groups of pirates who did it for profit. However, recent changes in game mechanics - faster Concord response time and higher security status losses for criminal actions in highsec - have largely eliminated the practice. It's still possible, and still practiced occasionally, but is much less common than it used to be.
Attention returned to the mass suicide gank with Hulkageddon.
4.is there already a big post here in the forum? if yes where?
more and more people are hacking accounts or are crating throw away accounts for that B***s**t
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 25/05/2010 20:40:45 troll 0/10 rules of eve
1. fly only what u can afford to lose
2. dont fly afk
3. dont fly fail fit haulers loaded with lots of high value cargo.
4. if u need to move expensive stuff such as bpo's use a frigate preferably a cloaky one.
5. high sec is "safer space" but not meant to be impossible to be killed so quit your trolling SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans 1.is this known?
No. How do you know this?
Quote: 2.what can we do against that?
cargo ships are not more safe to travel with autopilot in high sec!!!
Don't use autopilot.
Quote: 3.why we call it then high sec?
Because the security is higher there than elsewhere.
Quote: I thought ccp solved the problem with Quote: Suicide ganking was a popular strategy until recently, both with GoonSwarm's JihadSwarm campaign and with several groups of pirates who did it for profit. However, recent changes in game mechanics - faster Concord response time and higher security status losses for criminal actions in highsec - have largely eliminated the practice. It's still possible, and still practiced occasionally, but is much less common than it used to be.
What makes it a problem and why should it be solved? Oh, and it did massively reduce the practice ù that's why they're so far and few between these days.
Quote: 4.is there already a big post here in the forum? if yes where?
Tons.
Quote: more and more people are hacking accounts or are crating throw away accounts for that B***s**t
You have proof of this, I assume? Oh, and finally: what makes it BS? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:43:00 -
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1: High security is not safe it is SAFER.
2: Numptys who autopilot with phat lewts in their cargo deserve to die for their stupidity
3: Insurance is being fixed so suicide ganks will likely decrease due to reduced profitability of ganking anything and everything that cruises by on AP. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:45:00 -
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Tank your hauler, and don't carry hundreds of millions worth of cargo in it.
The problem is not the suicide ganking, it's that you are too terrible at the game to avoid getting suicide ganked. ______
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans 1.is this known?
Not only known, it's INTENTIONAL.
Quote: 2.what can we do against that? cargo ships are not more safe to travel with autopilot in high sec!!!
They were never intended to do that. Suicide-ganking acts as a "valve" to PREVENT transporting large quantities of valuables cheaply across larger distances.
Quote: 3.why we call it then high sec?
Because it is HIGH SECURITY, not ABSOLUTE/TOTAL SECURITY.
Quote: i thought ccp solved the problem with
Yes, they made it more "expensive" to suicide-gank. This is not new, and not the first time it happened.
Quote: 4.is there already a big post here in the forum? if yes where?
This kind of thread pops up at least once a month. We usually laugh at them too.
Quote: more and more people are hacking accounts or are crating throw away accounts for that B***s**t
What's that got to do with anything ?
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:49:00 -
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I fly through Uedamma and Niajara on a weekly basis for the past year in a crappy badger and I have never been suicide ganked.
My cargo is between 100mil to 2bil too and pretty easy to take.
I have only had 1 suicide gank attempt (which took half of my shield lol pwned)
In short it is VERY easy to pass through 0.5 or other suicide ganking rich places.
Even if I did get ganked I wouldnt rage I am all for piracy and tear manufacturing and think suicide gankers should get buffed.
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Lightmans
Caldari Mia Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:52:00 -
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I think high sec should be safe place to travel and to do trading stuff etc.
Look, i now the idea and the game mechanics make suiciced ganking interestering.
But you have also to see the other side of this: You will not more use again autopilot in the next future, because you have also sucide pirates in high sec. (so lets remove the autopilot feature) And i now that also you guys are using this comfortable feature. Someday they will catch you also with a expensive cargo, because you can blabla and write a lot against this post and afk autopilot. But we now you also use it.
Also this people are creating a lot of trial accounts and are getting all virutal char names for them, and its more and more difficult to create a char with a new nice name, because somebody else taken it.
They also cheating the number of real online users in eve on tq.
We think this using more and more to exploit the game and players.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans I think high sec should be safe place to travel and to do trading stuff etc.
Highsec is SAFER compared to other places, not (completely) SAFE. It was never intended to be completely safe, and it will never be completely safe. Making it 100% safe IS THE MOST IDIOTIC THING YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO, and if you're proposing that, you have much to learn about EVE.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans I think high sec should be safe place to travel and to do trading stuff etc.
Well aren't we all glad that its CCP who makes the decisions and not you then...
You seem to not understand EVE, maybe it is not the game for you.
See EVE is pretty much built around the core concept of NON CONSENSUAL PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER COMBAT. What this means is that anywhere, and at any time, you can attack or be attacked by another player. If you cannot handle that, maybe you should play a game without PvP. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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dankness420
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:58:00 -
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I have to fit a passive tank on my hauler???
WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO :(
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.25 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans I think high sec should be safe place to travel and to do trading stuff etc.
Well you think wrong. If you want an area where you are perfectly safe, go play some other game.
Quote: But you have also to see the other side of this: You will not more use again autopilot in the next future, because you have also sucide pirates in high sec. (so lets remove the autopilot feature) And i now that also you guys are using this comfortable feature. Someday they will catch you also with a expensive cargo, because you can blabla and write a lot against this post and afk autopilot. But we now you also use it.
No, I will never be caught hauling expensive cargo on autopilot.
Quote: Also this people are creating a lot of trial accounts and are getting all virutal char names for them, and its more and more difficult to create a char with a new nice name, because somebody else taken it.
They also cheating the number of real online users in eve on tq.
We think this using more and more to exploit the game and players.
There are no rules against alts. In fact, CCP encourages it by only allowing you to train one toon at a time on each account.
All of your points come down to you not liking Eve. So go play a different game. ______
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:01:00 -
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You might also look at the dev blog on the changes about to happen in insurance pay outs, as it may be a modest moderating factor for suicide ganks. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:03:00 -
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It's very simple: make sure your ship can survive long enough to allow CONCORD to warp in. That's the trick. So:
-Give your haulers some kind of tank. -Don't fit your Hulk for maximum yield, but install a few tank modules instead.
It's not like you need to fight back or run, like in lowsec. Just surviving long enough till CONCORD comes to the rescue will do. -----
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Mistress Darkside
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans I fail!!
Coming from someone who fits a heavy cap booster to their Chimera, you need to go ask for help in the Ships and Modules forum before whining like a little girl with pigtails about being an epic example of failure! Not everyone is as incompetent as you at internet spaceships!!!!!!
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:11:00 -
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The fact is that you pretty much can't fly anywhere in HS these days without taking the risk of a gank.
Every time I fly somewhere in my Iteron Mk5 I get targeted and scanned. This, combined with the Concord blobs I see quite often, I'd say suicide ganking is getting to be very common indeed.
Tyrannis won't change the situtation. The insurance rebalance will still keep the costs of losing a T1 ship quite low.
Personally I think that taking away insurance for losses to Concord would be fair. Obviously that will not remove suicide ganking. It will just raise the bar on how valuable the cargo has to be before suiciding it becomes profitable.
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:14:00 -
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personally i think u should get flagged from scanning my cargo hold.... its an invasion of my privacy. only customs should have the right to scan my hold... anyone else doing it i consider it a hostile action. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:20:00 -
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I support this, and salute my hisec pirate bretheren. o7 Additionally, it really infuriates me, when people use some pointless rant about signatures as a sig. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence The fact is that you pretty much can't fly anywhere in HS these days without taking the risk of a gank.
Good. Then things are finally returning to normal.
Quote: Every time I fly somewhere in my Iteron Mk5 I get targeted and scanned.
àpffà Amateurs.
Quote: This, combined with the Concord blobs I see quite often, I'd say suicide ganking is getting to be very common indeed.
Meh. You can sit outside of Jita for hours and not see a single shot fired. Perhaps the odd clash between war targets, but nothing fun.
Counter-fact: it's far too easy and safe to travel in highsec right now. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
titanalt
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:28:00 -
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I'm guessing your one of these, your tears are delicious.
LOL 1 LOL 2 LOL 3
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Nareg Maxence Every time I fly somewhere in my Iteron Mk5 I get targeted and scanned.
àpffà Amateurs.
You can say that again ! That's what you have passive targeters for ! Giving your victim advance warning is so lame
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans Edited by: Lightmans on 25/05/2010 20:36:34 1.is this known? 2.what can we do against that?
1) Yes, and people abuse it now more so than ever in Dominion's final hours 2) Give me your stuff. That will stop 'em.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:41:00 -
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be more adapatible ingame selectigon is rife Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist I fly through Uedamma and Niajara on a weekly basis for the past year in a crappy badger and I have never been suicide ganked.
My cargo is between 100mil to 2bil too and pretty easy to take.
I have only had 1 suicide gank attempt (which took half of my shield lol pwned)
In short it is VERY easy to pass through 0.5 or other suicide ganking rich places.
Even if I did get ganked I wouldnt rage I am all for piracy and tear manufacturing and think suicide gankers should get buffed.
This is just an open invitation to all suiciders.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:47:00 -
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Have I fallen into the wrong year? Either I have missed something or the Op has missed the patch notes and extensive discussions the last few months.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lightmans Also this people are creating a lot of trial accounts and are getting all virutal char names for them, and its more and more difficult to create a char with a new nice name, because somebody else taken it.
Wow ... if I am honest ... I never thought of it that way.
This changes things indeed. Thinking up new char names is a core gameplay element to me and the amount of names possible might be in the billions, it is still a finite number. Let's get rid of security penalties altogether so those gankers don't need to make new characters any more. Help us to make parrots game related today! |
Misstress Iteron
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence The fact is that you pretty much can't fly anywhere in HS these days without taking the risk of a gank.
Every time I fly somewhere in my Iteron Mk5 I get targeted and scanned. This, combined with the Concord blobs I see quite often, I'd say suicide ganking is getting to be very common indeed.
Tyrannis won't change the situtation. The insurance rebalance will still keep the costs of losing a T1 ship quite low.
Personally I think that taking away insurance for losses to Concord would be fair. Obviously that will not remove suicide ganking. It will just raise the bar on how valuable the cargo has to be before suiciding it becomes profitable.
I kill ships in my Iteron V.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence The fact is that you pretty much can't fly anywhere in HS these days without taking the risk of a gank.
Every time I fly somewhere in my Iteron Mk5 I get targeted and scanned. This, combined with the Concord blobs I see quite often, I'd say suicide ganking is getting to be very common indeed.
Tyrannis won't change the situtation. The insurance rebalance will still keep the costs of losing a T1 ship quite low.
Personally I think that taking away insurance for losses to Concord would be fair. Obviously that will not remove suicide ganking. It will just raise the bar on how valuable the cargo has to be before suiciding it becomes profitable.
Ships are too cheap right now and Insurance more than covers the cost. Both have been dealt with in the patch (assuming CCP get their figures right which is another matter) The reason why it's happening so much now is people are dumping the T1 ships they made due to the patch coming up. If anyone is hauling right now or in the last few days they should have worked out that was going to happen. If they did not then tough luck, they should think more.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 25/05/2010 21:56:42 I've never once lost anything of value in a high sec suicide gank. And the only time I was EVER sucide ganked was my alt in a retriever who got discoed by a -10 in a domi (probably because insurance was expiring).
After looting and salvaging the disco domi I actually lost only 1 million isk.
However there are many ways to avoid PAINFUL suicide ganks.
1) DON'T TRANSPORT EXPENSIVE **** IN NON-ORCA HAULERS
2) DON'T TRANSPORT EXPENSIVE **** IN NON-ORCA HAULERS
3) DON'T TRANSPORT EXPENSIVE **** IN NON-ORCA HAULERS
4) DO NOT TRANSPORT ANYTHING WORTH MORE THEN 2-2.5 BILLION ISK IN A FREIGHTER.
5) DO NOT PUT EXPENSIVE MODS ON A SHIP THAT CANNOT ATLEAST TANK THE VALUE OF THE BS NEEDED TO DESTROY IT.
6) CAPSLOCK MAKES YOU COOL.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.05.25 22:05:00 -
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Suicide ganks don't happen an awful lot. If one happens, and if it is successful, the part where it is successful is in 95% due to your own fault, and that for the following reasons:
- If you sit afk in a miner, or sit slowboating with autopiloting on, you are have a way higher potential risk to get ganked. The easiest solution is just to sit on your chair and fly manually, which you should be doing when flying quite expensive ships.
As an example, we tried to gank a hulk once with a 5-6 man destroyer fleet in a 0.5 system, and we got him to 25% armor before we all got killed. We did however get a killmail, since the hulk died 2 minutes later after we tried to gank him due to 2 small rats attacking him while he is afk.
So simply, don't afk, you can usually survive a fight when you're behind keyboard.
- If you are behind keyboard, and are still getting ganked, i do kindly advice you to spend some time in training some defensive/support skills & get some basic shield tank on your indy just so you have an increased survivability.
Quote: more and more people are hacking accounts or are crating throw away accounts for that B***s**t
Now that, kind Sir, is blatant speculation. I can very well assure you that suicide ganking is the last reason on earth why any account would get hacked. More so, if you are looking for a perfectly legal way to suicide gank people in the way you propose, you can simply make alt, send him some money, get his frig some decent guns, get 20 other people to do it too, and do a onetime gank, and delete the toon. But this is a big waste of time, in the time you spend setting up a suicide gank you can already have scanned down a target in lowsec & get a decent kill.
And no, suicide ganking won't disappear, it is a perfectly legitimate way to kill things. But it can be easily avoided, as long as you keep your eyes open. -
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