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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:40:00 -
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I am not going to make a thread called "Best expansion ever", as I have not been playing long enough to have seen them all. I've been playing 13 months over 2 years so I have seen a few. Conversely any "worst expansion" thread made by someone having not played since the beginning is fallacious. Anyway, the reasons main reasons I like it...
1. Less lag, especially when loading. The authentication time has been cut astronomically. 2. Curbed inflation. Mineral prices continue to suck, but the price of PLEX is down and level 4 missions remain an ISK faucet, contrarty to popular forum grief. 3. Seems to have killed off a ton of macro losers. Glory unto me.
With the decreased lag I am able to run an increased number of clients per PC. More $$$. More LEGIT clients in game is great news.
The only people who didn't seem to mind it are hardcore carebears and hardcore pvpers. The hardcore carebears were out running missions asap, confirming the new drop tables are good. The hardcore pvpers were out waging battle asap.
The main downside to it of course is the fact that PI isn't ready. Since my toons are young its not much of a loss to me as I have plenty to catch up on while I wait, but I can see how it would really make some people rage. I think it was in the dev blog but I am not sure.
All in all it is better playing now than it was a week ago. And the forums are way better now too. The guy with 92 insured ravens inspired me.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: JitaBum on 28/05/2010 21:44:41 Yes, a resounding success!
Originally by: Cipher Jones my toons
'nuff said
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:47:00 -
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I forgive you for referring to a character as a 'toon' on account of your ruddy good post, with which I wholeheartedly agree.
One up and all that!
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Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:53:00 -
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yeah, go and watch cartoons or something my internet spaceships are serious business
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones 2. Curbed inflation. Mineral prices continue to suck, but the price of PLEX is down and level 4 missions remain an ISK faucet, contrarty to popular forum grief.
Eve hasn't had an inflation problem. Quite the opposite. The smart money says it's going to get worse now that the mineral price floor was scrapped.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 28/05/2010 21:55:22
Originally by: Induc yeah, go and watch cartoons or something my internet spaceships are serious business
Indeed they are - or at least the inherent value of my character is >.>
/proliferateroleplayer
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:00:00 -
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*came expecting sarcasm*
*left disappointed*
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Originally by: Cipher Jones 2. Curbed inflation. Mineral prices continue to suck, but the price of PLEX is down and level 4 missions remain an ISK faucet, contrarty to popular forum grief.
Eve hasn't had an inflation problem. Quite the opposite. The smart money says it's going to get worse now that the mineral price floor was scrapped.
I watch the market too closely to know that's not true. The mineral market started going down when the announcement was made that insurance would change. This is clearly a signature. |
Smoke Adian
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
1. Less lag, especially when loading. The authentication time has been cut astronomically.
The auth time always go way down after an expansion for some reason. Then its back to its slow self before the next expansion.
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 28/05/2010 22:19:04
Originally by: Smoke Adian The auth time always go way down after an expansion for some reason. Then its back to its slow self before the next expansion.
Cleaned out the database, maybe?
Pre-patch server readying is probably something akin to defragmenting a hard disk after all.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Originally by: Cipher Jones 2. Curbed inflation. Mineral prices continue to suck, but the price of PLEX is down and level 4 missions remain an ISK faucet, contrarty to popular forum grief.
Eve hasn't had an inflation problem. Quite the opposite. The smart money says it's going to get worse now that the mineral price floor was scrapped.
I watch the market too closely to know that's not true. The mineral market started going down when the announcement was made that insurance would change.
I don't have market data right now but the last QEN had a consistent drop in mineral prices and T1 ship prices for most of '08 and '09 and if memory serves it continued into '10 based on the fact that insurance fraud became profitable. All of this was before the change announcements were ever a factor. I'm curious what part of the market you are watching? T2 production?
Disclaimer: I just read market analyses, I don't do much with them.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Johnnyan
Caldari Johnnyan Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret *came expecting sarcasm*
*left disappointed*
This
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Vitamin B12
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones I am not going to make a thread called "Best expansion ever", as I have not been playing long enough to have seen them all. I've been playing 13 months over 2 years so I have seen a few. Conversely any "worst expansion" thread made by someone having not played since the beginning is fallacious. Anyway, the reasons main reasons I like it...
1. Less lag, especially when loading. The authentication time has been cut astronomically. 2. Curbed inflation. Mineral prices continue to suck, but the price of PLEX is down and level 4 missions remain an ISK faucet, contrarty to popular forum grief. 3. Seems to have killed off a ton of macro losers. Glory unto me.
With the decreased lag I am able to run an increased number of clients per PC. More $$$. More LEGIT clients in game is great news.
The only people who didn't seem to mind it are hardcore carebears and hardcore pvpers. The hardcore carebears were out running missions asap, confirming the new drop tables are good. The hardcore pvpers were out waging battle asap.
The main downside to it of course is the fact that PI isn't ready. Since my toons are young its not much of a loss to me as I have plenty to catch up on while I wait, but I can see how it would really make some people rage. I think it was in the dev blog but I am not sure.
All in all it is better playing now than it was a week ago. And the forums are way better now too. The guy with 92 insured ravens inspired me.
which one of the dev's are you?
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vitamin B12
Originally by: Cipher Jones I am not going to make a thread called "Best expansion ever", as I have not been playing long enough to have seen them all. I've been playing 13 months over 2 years so I have seen a few. Conversely any "worst expansion" thread made by someone having not played since the beginning is fallacious. Anyway, the reasons main reasons I like it...
1. Less lag, especially when loading. The authentication time has been cut astronomically. 2. Curbed inflation. Mineral prices continue to suck, but the price of PLEX is down and level 4 missions remain an ISK faucet, contrarty to popular forum grief. 3. Seems to have killed off a ton of macro losers. Glory unto me.
With the decreased lag I am able to run an increased number of clients per PC. More $$$. More LEGIT clients in game is great news.
The only people who didn't seem to mind it are hardcore carebears and hardcore pvpers. The hardcore carebears were out running missions asap, confirming the new drop tables are good. The hardcore pvpers were out waging battle asap.
The main downside to it of course is the fact that PI isn't ready. Since my toons are young its not much of a loss to me as I have plenty to catch up on while I wait, but I can see how it would really make some people rage. I think it was in the dev blog but I am not sure.
All in all it is better playing now than it was a week ago. And the forums are way better now too. The guy with 92 insured ravens inspired me.
which one of the dev's are you?
My thoughts exactly. Do DEVs play EVE? Are they actually happy with the changes made? Do they even interact with the elements in EVE that have been nerfed and how do they feel about it? Not being critical, just inquisitive.
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Kephael
Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:33:00 -
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I especially enjoyed everyone's POS going skynet on patch day. __________________________________________
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:39:00 -
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Except finetuning and bugfixing it's only PI that's worthy of the denomination "expansion". I'm not sure if PI really is that revolutionary and refreshing content that makes that EVE will never be the same tbh.
Of course I'm happy with the changes, but a patch or bugfix would be ok for that.
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Jane Vherokior
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael I especially enjoyed everyone's POS going skynet on patch day.
Mu POS knows who feeds it. It damn well knows better than to go rogue on me.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael I especially enjoyed everyone's POS going skynet on patch day.
that was EPIC!!
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Proteus Four
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:52:00 -
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Less lag. What game are you playing? It definitely isn't the same EVE I am. |
Capt Armageddon
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Posted - 2010.05.29 01:08:00 -
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from browsing the forums i get the impression:
- ninja salvage profession nerfed into oblivion - lvl 5 mission running nerfed into oblivion - courier mission running nerfed into oblivion - salvage ships nerfed into oblivion - marauders nerfed into oblivion
looks like eve is now a much more mind numbing game than before
considering 80% of the eve population are doing these things, the subscribtion numbers graph might take a devastating nose dive in the near future
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.05.29 01:13:00 -
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I'm still waiting on a decent post explaining why salvage is going to go down further. My impression was that loot was less valuable but that salvage would stay the same. Links please?
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.29 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Swiftgaze on 29/05/2010 01:39:33 The server isn't emptier because the macros are missing. :X VOTE CAT
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.05.29 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 29/05/2010 02:23:05
Originally by: Capt Armageddon - ninja salvage profession nerfed into oblivion
Not sure I quite understand how ninja salvaging has been 'nerfed into oblivion'?
Quote: - lvl 5 mission running nerfed into oblivion
Do you mean because now the (one, that I know of) low-sec agent who used to give high-sec L5's is more likely to give them in low-sec now?
Quote: - courier mission running nerfed into oblivion
How?
Quote: - salvage ships nerfed into oblivion
How?
Quote: - marauders nerfed into oblivion
How?
Are you basing all these assumption on the fact that some L4 agents are more likely to give missions in low-sec systems (not guaranteed, just "more" likely) than high, or is there something else I'm missing?
Quote: looks like eve is now a much more mind numbing game than before
Again, exactly how? or do you just like to make sweeping generalizations from "browsing the forums"? .
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.29 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Armageddon from browsing the forums i get the impression:
I found your problem. The forums are full of whining after any change, most of it ill-informed. If you listen to people on the forums, everything is broken and the game is unplayable and actually likely to make your computer explode. --------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.05.29 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 29/05/2010 05:22:39
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Capt Armageddon from browsing the forums i get the impression:
I found your problem. The forums are full of whining after any change, most of it ill-informed. If you listen to people on the forums, everything is broken and the game is unplayable and actually likely to make your computer explode.
No seriously, Ninja looting/salvaging is nerfed into oblivion. The loot nerf effectively puts me back to 10 months ago income wise. Seriously, when I say large wrecks are worthless, I don't mean "Oh, look, I have a slightly less chance to get a decent drop." I mean, "Oh, look, CCP has given the chance anything valuable is going to drop a snowball's chance in hell". Well, they have at least as much value as small and medium wrecks.......which are worthless when compared to pre-expansion large wrecks. Why would anyone continue to do it? Seriously, would you continue doing whatever it is you do if you're making 80% less income? Doubtful.
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Deja Thoris
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.05.29 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Capt Armageddon from browsing the forums i get the impression:
I found your problem. The forums are full of whining after any change, most of it ill-informed. If you listen to people on the forums, everything is broken and the game is unplayable and actually likely to make your computer explode.
Theres whining and there are justified complaints by paying customers. EvE is the only game out there in this mold so people trying to stick with it is understandable.
I'm a huge EvE fanboi but I'm not so deluded that I'd call it a good expansion when the main reason for the expansion (PI) hasn't even made it in yet. "Oh it's there we just can't use it yet!" - Give me a break.
On top of this they broke the overview, screwed up the market, made POS go nuts to name but a few. This is a poor expansion by any manner of measurement.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.29 05:44:00 -
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1. Loading time always drops after an expansion. Give it a week. 2. Curbed inflation? Mineral prices have been continually dropping. I noticed a tiny rise pre-expansion as is usual, however the rise this time was minuscule compared to november's. Look at the market graph. 3. What makes you think there are fewer macroers? They've been kicking the RMTs for a while because they leech $'s that CCP could be pocketing themselves. However, the non-RMT macroers have had practically no repercussions and probably won't because they generate $'s for CCP, even though they contribute to depressing the mineral markets.
Positive things about this expansion? PI = something to do for 10 minutes (until you get bored [because it's boring] and never touch it again) spacebook = nah, there's nothing good about it. Everything in it is a griefing tool in disguise. insurance nerf = it's good to have a player driven economy, if they had the balls to stop cheaters. scorp model = yeah it looks good, even if it goes completely against the spirit of Caldari ship design, and is one of the least used BSes in the game. It does come with a new modelling system, which is good I guess. But if in combat, you're zoomed in close enough to see your ship, you'll die in a few minutes anyway, so meh.
See a pattern here? Everything is half-assed and doesn't actually improve the game.
Other things to be aware of: *friends are more dangerous than ever, even if they don't mean to be *because of a glitch that CCP won't punish for exploiting PI will start off as worthless and will probably remain so *long standing issues have been neglected in favor of some really really stupid content, such as space junk, alienware support, and removing widescreen mode *less depth and interest by nerfing personal standings and removing the functionality of what remains by removing the ability to sort them with no hope of them fixing that in sight *any lvl 4 mission agent near the quieter edges of highsec is now as useless as any lowsec agent, meaning mission runners will now cluster up in mission hubs, providing more opportunities for griefers, worsening lag and server load
No, I'm not convinced CCP plays their own game. It's understandable, seeing as nobody wants to come home from work and still feel like they are at work. The problem with it is that they start to make decisions based on perceived effects from a technical standpoint but no longer take into account the human elements or practical effects. They take their game design from the marketing department, and are willing to sacrifice gameplay, usability, and consumer demand in exchange for a few quick subs who will quit after 4 months (the average lifespan of the average EVE account.) The problem is they are likely to lose a lot of their diehard, hardcore subs because of their complete neglect and disrespect. I'm just waiting for them to completely bungle Incarna so EVE can go the way of SWG.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.05.29 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
... 1. Less lag, especially when loading. The authentication time has been cut astronomically. ...
As stated by the poster above me: This is always the case after a client patch.
I think it has something to do with invalidating (parts of) the cache, since you can get the same result by clearing your cache manually.
It will decline over time and in about a month or so it will be back to where it was before the patch.
(I think that's also the reason the market appears to be much smoother)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.05.29 08:13:00 -
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People who cry about "toon" are even lamer than people who cry about "guild".
Get over yourselves dweebs. This is a game, avoiding specific trivial titles doesnt change that you spend so much time in a GAME.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Zuretul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.29 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Proteus Four Less lag. What game are you playing? It definitely isn't the same EVE I am.
Get a new PC you fool.
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