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Storm Mage	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:50:00 - [1] After being constantly called a pirate just for being a member of CA I started asking people (player to player) to explain their definition of "pirate" and whether by their own definition if CA/CA members are "pirates". I have had some pretty good discussions on this topic with people and would like to hear what even more people think. And please post with your main character. 1) What is your definition of "pirate?" Please be as specific as you can. 2) From your own personal experiences with CA pilots INGAME would they fit your definition of a pirate? Again please be as specific as you can as to why or why not. Again I must request that you respond with your main character and limit this to ingame experiences as actions speak louder than words. I am looking forward to your replies and discussing them. *Storm Mage calls the local hospital and has them prep for a 3rd degree burn victim Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
Storm Mage	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:50:00 - [2] After being constantly called a pirate just for being a member of CA I started asking people (player to player) to explain their definition of "pirate" and whether by their own definition if CA/CA members are "pirates". I have had some pretty good discussions on this topic with people and would like to hear what even more people think. And please post with your main character. 1) What is your definition of "pirate?" Please be as specific as you can. 2) From your own personal experiences with CA pilots INGAME would they fit your definition of a pirate? Again please be as specific as you can as to why or why not. Again I must request that you respond with your main character and limit this to ingame experiences as actions speak louder than words. I am looking forward to your replies and discussing them. *Storm Mage calls the local hospital and has them prep for a 3rd degree burn victim Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56 My definition of a pirate: A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration. Pirate alliance: an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration. If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory.. And Yes u and all CA¦s are pirates! edit: Experience with CA (= pirates) during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didn¦t declare war on my Corp and former Alliance. So.. yes... CA are Pirates ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56 My definition of a pirate: A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration. Pirate alliance: an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration. If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory.. And Yes u and all CA¦s are pirates! edit: Experience with CA (= pirates) during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didn¦t declare war on my Corp and former Alliance. So.. yes... CA are Pirates ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
Revolution	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:59:00 - [5] err, didnt you guys leave CA though..?
Revolution	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:59:00 - [6] err, didnt you guys leave CA though..?
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 - [7] Attacking players minding their own business in 0.1 and above without a war decleration, thats a pirate. and you guys are not ca, right?
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 - [8] Attacking players minding their own business in 0.1 and above without a war decleration, thats a pirate. and you guys are not ca, right?
Xendie	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 - [9] yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
Xendie	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 - [10] yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Xendie yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement. yes that is probably true
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Xendie yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement. yes that is probably true
thebold	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Revolution err, didnt you guys leave CA though..? Word is they left CA Alliance (System) not CA to declare war on people.. Well hey since supremecy is a empire war fighter these days makes sense to me.. but still good old fashioned 0.0 no rules no limit fighting is what this game is all about ;) -amen- ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
thebold	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Revolution err, didnt you guys leave CA though..? Word is they left CA Alliance (System) not CA to declare war on people.. Well hey since supremecy is a empire war fighter these days makes sense to me.. but still good old fashioned 0.0 no rules no limit fighting is what this game is all about ;) -amen- ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
magickangaroo	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:09:00 - [15] my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u. everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer. mgk
magickangaroo	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:09:00 - [16] my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u. everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer. mgk
dalman	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:11:00 - [17] 1. That your (only) way of making ISK is through attacking others, AND that there is no other reason behind the attack. (well, that you enjoy attacking ppl is ok as a second reason combined with ISK) 2. Not really, there aren't many real pirates left. But the Curse Alliance of Pirates referr to the founding of your alliance. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:11:00 - [18] 1. That your (only) way of making ISK is through attacking others, AND that there is no other reason behind the attack. (well, that you enjoy attacking ppl is ok as a second reason combined with ISK) 2. Not really, there aren't many real pirates left. But the Curse Alliance of Pirates referr to the founding of your alliance. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:12:00 - [19] Does being called a pirate really bother you that much? I get called all sorts of thing in-game. All of it I ignore. This pirate/not pirate discussion is one of those eternal arguments that will rage until they switch the servers off. I can't answer it, I'm afraid. To some people, being called a pirate is insulting. Its not what I call insulting, but all take things differently. Its a crap answer I know, but I really don't know what else to add. Its all been pretty much said and flogged to death on these forums before. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:12:00 - [20] Does being called a pirate really bother you that much? I get called all sorts of thing in-game. All of it I ignore. This pirate/not pirate discussion is one of those eternal arguments that will rage until they switch the servers off. I can't answer it, I'm afraid. To some people, being called a pirate is insulting. Its not what I call insulting, but all take things differently. Its a crap answer I know, but I really don't know what else to add. Its all been pretty much said and flogged to death on these forums before. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:16:00 - [21] Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/12/2004 10:19:12 Originally by: magickangaroo my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u. everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer. mgk agree with the bouncyboy. As for CA, they used to have lots of pirates in their ranks. Then the world of piracy changed and we saw pirates turn into simple pk'ers for the most part. Now the CA are just fun to shoot but you will always be stuck with old nicknames ;) You bunch of pirates, yarrrr! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:16:00 - [22] Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/12/2004 10:19:12 Originally by: magickangaroo my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u. everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer. mgk agree with the bouncyboy. As for CA, they used to have lots of pirates in their ranks. Then the world of piracy changed and we saw pirates turn into simple pk'ers for the most part. Now the CA are just fun to shoot but you will always be stuck with old nicknames ;) You bunch of pirates, yarrrr! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:19:00 - [23] Edited by: Gungankllr on 09/12/2004 10:25:19 PiÀrate: 1: a: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation. b: A ship used for this purpose. 2: a: One who preys on others; a plunderer. That is the Webster's Dictionary version of what a pirate is. I think that 2.a basically fits all persons who prey on others, regardless of ransom, shipkilling, podding...etc.. For my experiences in game: I've been shot at, chased, shipkilled and podded in a2 and along the corridor to 5-6q just for being there by RUS, VOTF and a number of other CA corps. For the most part CA just sat around ganking industrials and lone ships in a2. www.hadean.org
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:19:00 - [24] Edited by: Gungankllr on 09/12/2004 10:25:19 PiÀrate: 1: a: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation. b: A ship used for this purpose. 2: a: One who preys on others; a plunderer. That is the Webster's Dictionary version of what a pirate is. I think that 2.a basically fits all persons who prey on others, regardless of ransom, shipkilling, podding...etc.. For my experiences in game: I've been shot at, chased, shipkilled and podded in a2 and along the corridor to 5-6q just for being there by RUS, VOTF and a number of other CA corps. For the most part CA just sat around ganking industrials and lone ships in a2. www.hadean.org
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:22:00 - [25] yarr ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:22:00 - [26] yarr ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Trooper B99	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:25:00 - [27] As with many, my thoughts on piracy have changed as my gameplay changed. Interesting to see how as i got more into PvP, the term pirate didn't have as much meaning as it did and my opinion of CA changed When i first started: m0o, Space Invaders, m3g4, zombie etc were the pirates. My definition then: Pirates were scum who hunted in low sec space and killed/ransomed people they came across. They blockaded systems stargates or the jump in points for loot or giggles. 0.0 . . what was that? Curse . . yeah, read something about them on the forums. . . . they're pirates aren't they? scum! go CC! When I was in the CFS: Still alot of the same people pirating (m0o, SI etc) but i became aware of the solo pirates of 0.0 Cyrus Virus, MissTake and the R.O.R. crowd. my definition then: Low sec killing and often cowardly scum who ganked indies and other people in 0.0 space for loot or giggles or even in 1.0 in suicide kessies. More often than not they were solo operators or small groups. They camped Gates in 0.0 gateway systems like FD-MLJ and Obe. As for CA . . yeah, alot stuff on the boards and the CFS guys say they're pirates so I guess they must be. Ones i spoke with didn't go yaaaaar i noticed. They seem okay though. When i joined c4/CA: Alot of the usual suspects had gone and there were afew more pirating groups, less solo operators though in 0.0 though. Probably because cruise missiles and torps had been restricted to higher ships. Pirates were players who as a living hunted people in low sec space in empire for loot. They gank as they can and don't fight large groups. CA aren't the big bogeymen they were made out to be, the ones i've spoken to seem great guys tbph. More recently New pirates groups in Lonetrek again, quite afew move about and the term pirate is on the increase, notably in relation to BoB. heh. Definition: "real" Pirates kill as and when they can and do it for the enjoyment and for the loot, most often in low sec empire space like the syndicate, lonetrek or the bleak lands. It's just another way of playing the game. They're often great friendly people and the fact that they want to kill you is just their job. The word pirate has become a coined-phrase for PvP'er to be perfectly honest. As for CA, well, good people, good fighters and in the game for fun and enjoyment. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Trooper B99	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:25:00 - [28] As with many, my thoughts on piracy have changed as my gameplay changed. Interesting to see how as i got more into PvP, the term pirate didn't have as much meaning as it did and my opinion of CA changed When i first started: m0o, Space Invaders, m3g4, zombie etc were the pirates. My definition then: Pirates were scum who hunted in low sec space and killed/ransomed people they came across. They blockaded systems stargates or the jump in points for loot or giggles. 0.0 . . what was that? Curse . . yeah, read something about them on the forums. . . . they're pirates aren't they? scum! go CC! When I was in the CFS: Still alot of the same people pirating (m0o, SI etc) but i became aware of the solo pirates of 0.0 Cyrus Virus, MissTake and the R.O.R. crowd. my definition then: Low sec killing and often cowardly scum who ganked indies and other people in 0.0 space for loot or giggles or even in 1.0 in suicide kessies. More often than not they were solo operators or small groups. They camped Gates in 0.0 gateway systems like FD-MLJ and Obe. As for CA . . yeah, alot stuff on the boards and the CFS guys say they're pirates so I guess they must be. Ones i spoke with didn't go yaaaaar i noticed. They seem okay though. When i joined c4/CA: Alot of the usual suspects had gone and there were afew more pirating groups, less solo operators though in 0.0 though. Probably because cruise missiles and torps had been restricted to higher ships. Pirates were players who as a living hunted people in low sec space in empire for loot. They gank as they can and don't fight large groups. CA aren't the big bogeymen they were made out to be, the ones i've spoken to seem great guys tbph. More recently New pirates groups in Lonetrek again, quite afew move about and the term pirate is on the increase, notably in relation to BoB. heh. Definition: "real" Pirates kill as and when they can and do it for the enjoyment and for the loot, most often in low sec empire space like the syndicate, lonetrek or the bleak lands. It's just another way of playing the game. They're often great friendly people and the fact that they want to kill you is just their job. The word pirate has become a coined-phrase for PvP'er to be perfectly honest. As for CA, well, good people, good fighters and in the game for fun and enjoyment. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Loka	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:30:00 - [29] Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:34:38 Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:33:43 Originally by: Xendie yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement. So any RL state, who is declaring war are terrorists right? Terrorism: It is violence against civilians or similar noncombatants, especially in order to achieve political or similarly ideological aims. Insurgents bombing armed opposing soldiers in a guerilla war is not terrorism, although of course it might be thus labelled for propaganda reasons. We fight at least 90% of the time ppl who are fitted for combat and not for noncombat propose like mining. Iam sure murderer would fit better than terrorists. But then most PvP orientated player in EVE are murderer, because they dont ask for a fight, but force their oponent to fight or die. Pirate: An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on the high seas. Well i dont feel as pirate to be honest. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Loka	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:34:38 Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:33:43 Originally by: Xendie yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement. So any RL state, who is declaring war are terrorists right? Terrorism: It is violence against civilians or similar noncombatants, especially in order to achieve political or similarly ideological aims. Insurgents bombing armed opposing soldiers in a guerilla war is not terrorism, although of course it might be thus labelled for propaganda reasons. We fight at least 90% of the time ppl who are fitted for combat and not for noncombat propose like mining. Iam sure murderer would fit better than terrorists. But then most PvP orientated player in EVE are murderer, because they dont ask for a fight, but force their oponent to fight or die. Pirate: An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on the high seas. Well i dont feel as pirate to be honest. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive

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